American Politics I: It's All Applesauce

[Punished UMN]

Ruly Giuliani before the failed coup:Calling for trial by combat
Rudy Giuliani during the failed coup: You're on the right side of history
Rudy Giuliani after the failed coup:cricket noises

America's mayor, everybody. If ever there was a major politician whose legacy is going to be more tarnished. Imagine going from a universally beloved national hero in the aftermath of the largest attack on civilians in the country's history to attempting to overthrow the democratically elected government at the behest of a billionaire real-estate con-man.

[Nejii]

“Beer Hall Putsch” then?

That ended with Hitler in prison.

I fear Attorney General Garland will be more hesitant with putting Donald in the big house.

I mean people are demanding the prosecution of Trump so...

[The Free Joy State]

Is anyone else seeing the thread disappear from the "view your posts" tab? I think it's just the server refresh on Thursday, but just making sure it's not a technical issue.

no, it's still here for me

It still shows up for me.

[Vassenor]

I'm not a leftist as established, and leftists is a broad term. Within the leftist coalition there are two major branches: the anarchists and the tankies. The latter loves authority, the former despises them.

As for neoliberals, they value a freer market and more freedoms, but they don't necessarily despise all authority. They still uphold the idea of government.

And I'm not a neolib either. I'm more of a Scandinavian social democrat.

I simply oppose people who love authority. It is not left vs right. It is freedom vs authoritarianism.

And what freedom were these people fighting for?

[Picairn]

I'm not a leftist as established, and leftists is a broad term. Within the leftist coalition there are two major branches: the anarchists and the tankies. The latter loves authority, the former despises them.

As for neoliberals, they value a freer market and more freedoms, but they don't necessarily despise all authority. They still uphold the idea of government.

And I'm not a neolib either. I'm more of a Scandinavian social democrat.

I simply oppose people who love authority. It is not left vs right. It is freedom vs authoritarianism.

Are you an Anarchist? If so, what flavor? Capitalism or Communism?

[Nejii]

Kowani , any new headlines?

[The Marlborough]

I simply oppose people who love authority. It is not left vs right. It is freedom vs authoritarianism.

And what freedom were these people fighting for?

In whichever way they framed freedom, presumably.

[The Free Joy State]

I simply oppose people who love authority. It is not left vs right. It is freedom vs authoritarianism.

And what freedom were these people fighting for?

Trump's freedom to wipe his behind on the Constitution, I think.

[Salandriagado]

So in what way is this not terrorism?

It is a very absurd classification. Otherwise all of the good old independence movements were terroristic.

Most of them were, yes.

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I'm not a leftist as established, and leftists is a broad term. Within the leftist coalition there are two major branches: the anarchists and the tankies. The latter loves authority, the former despises them.

As for neoliberals, they value a freer market and more freedoms, but they don't necessarily despise all authority. They still uphold the idea of government.

And I'm not a neolib either. I'm more of a Scandinavian social democrat.

I simply oppose people who love authority. It is not left vs right. It is freedom vs authoritarianism.

But many forms of authority are invisible to you. You can recognize authority when it comes in the form of ruling party but not when it comes in the form of a ruling class. People who love capitalism are people who love authority, no one has more authority than a billionaire who can literally buy and sell politicians like chattel.

[The Orson Empire]

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[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

I simply oppose people who love authority. It is not left vs right. It is freedom vs authoritarianism.

Are you an Anarchist? If so, what flavor? Capitalism or Communism?

I’m pretty close to ancap though stuff such as agorism also looks cool. The state sucks.

[Nejii]

I simply oppose people who love authority. It is not left vs right. It is freedom vs authoritarianism.

Are you an Anarchist? If so, what flavor? Capitalism or Communism?

I can at least respect Scandinavian SD’s, they made socialism work after all. Norway and Denmark I mean...

They can be a little self-righteous though.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

I simply oppose people who love authority. It is not left vs right. It is freedom vs authoritarianism.

But many forms of authority are invisible to you. You can recognize authority when it comes in the form of ruling party but not when it comes in the form of a ruling class. People who love capitalism and people who love authority, no one has more authority than a billionaire who can literally buy and sell politicians like chattel.

That’s not authority. We don’t see billionaires executing anyone who refuses to bow down before them. We don’t see them shooting random people for fun. Mark Zuckerberg is not out to get you if you say that you hate him. That’s what actual authority all over the world does though. Dictators from right-wing Latin American ones to Kim dynasty enjoyed torture.

[The Marlborough]

I simply oppose people who love authority. It is not left vs right. It is freedom vs authoritarianism.

But many forms of authority are invisible to you. You can recognize authority when it comes in the form of ruling party but not when it comes in the form of a ruling class. People who love capitalism and people who love authority, no one has more authority than a billionaire who can literally buy and sell politicians like chattel.

That's only true in countries in which said billionaires are actually the most powerful people within the country or at least powerful enough to make the state incredibly hesitant of going after them. That is the case in certain countries, like the US or Mexico or Germany. It's not the case in every country though.

[Esalia]

Ruly Giuliani before the failed coup:Calling for trial by combat
Rudy Giuliani during the failed coup: You're on the right side of history
Rudy Giuliani after the failed coup:cricket noises

America's mayor, everybody. If ever there was a major politician whose legacy is going to be more tarnished. Imagine going from a universally beloved national hero in the aftermath of the largest attack on civilians in the country's history to attempting to overthrow the democratically elected government at the behest of a billionaire real-estate con-man.

It's almost impressive how far he fell.

[Picairn]

I’m pretty close to ancap though stuff such as agorism also looks cool. The state sucks.

Ancap is a meme ideology. At least social democrats know how to restrict the power of mega-corporations and billionaires through the tools of government.

[Nejii]

I simply oppose people who love authority. It is not left vs right. It is freedom vs authoritarianism.

But many forms of authority are invisible to you. You can recognize authority when it comes in the form of ruling party but not when it comes in the form of a ruling class. People who love capitalism are people who love authority, no one has more authority than a billionaire who can literally buy and sell politicians like chattel.

Bureaucracy and mass consumerism are the two downfalls of capitalism, coming from a capitalist. Other than that, I’m all for it.

[Salandriagado]

But many forms of authority are invisible to you. You can recognize authority when it comes in the form of ruling party but not when it comes in the form of a ruling class. People who love capitalism and people who love authority, no one has more authority than a billionaire who can literally buy and sell politicians like chattel.

That’s not authority. We don’t see billionaires executing anyone who refuses to bow down before them. We don’t see them shooting random people for fun. Mark Zuckerberg is not out to get you if you say that you hate him. That’s what actual authority all over the world does though.

Governments are the only reason that doesn't happen.

[The Marlborough]

But many forms of authority are invisible to you. You can recognize authority when it comes in the form of ruling party but not when it comes in the form of a ruling class. People who love capitalism and people who love authority, no one has more authority than a billionaire who can literally buy and sell politicians like chattel.

That’s not authority. We don’t see billionaires executing anyone who refuses to bow down before them. We don’t see them shooting random people for fun. Mark Zuckerberg is not out to get you if you say that you hate him. That’s what actual authority all over the world does though.

A number of companies have flat out hired death squads to assassinate labour activists.

[The Orson Empire]

We need a Nuremberg-like commission to try Trump and other Republican conspirators on charges of sedition. Anyone who supported this coup attempt or supports any other attempt to challenge the election should be barred from ever holding office again.

[CoraSpia]

Ruly Giuliani before the failed coup:Calling for trial by combat
Rudy Giuliani during the failed coup: You're on the right side of history
Rudy Giuliani after the failed coup:cricket noises

America's mayor, everybody. If ever there was a major politician whose legacy is going to be more tarnished. Imagine going from a universally beloved national hero in the aftermath of the largest attack on civilians in the country's history to attempting to overthrow the democratically elected government at the behest of a billionaire real-estate con-man.

Idk if you know who I mean, but I've forgotten his name. What happened to that other aging former politician who was seriously loyal to Trump? He seems to have disappeared.

[Nejii]

America's mayor, everybody. If ever there was a major politician whose legacy is going to be more tarnished. Imagine going from a universally beloved national hero in the aftermath of the largest attack on civilians in the country's history to attempting to overthrow the democratically elected government at the behest of a billionaire real-estate con-man.

It's almost impressive how far he fell.

I wasn’t aware that Giuliani was loved at one point on a major scale...

[CoraSpia]

That’s not authority. We don’t see billionaires executing anyone who refuses to bow down before them. We don’t see them shooting random people for fun. Mark Zuckerberg is not out to get you if you say that you hate him. That’s what actual authority all over the world does though.

A number of companies have flat out hired death squads to assassinate labour activists.

When has that happened in recent history?

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

That’s not authority. We don’t see billionaires executing anyone who refuses to bow down before them. We don’t see them shooting random people for fun. Mark Zuckerberg is not out to get you if you say that you hate him. That’s what actual authority all over the world does though.

Governments are the only reason that doesn't happen.

I disagree. It is about personality. Those who like commerce and intellectualism are unlikely to be into killing people simply for disagreeing. It is the opposite mindset that leads to these things.