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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:54 am

The Marlborough wrote:
San Lumen wrote:what does that incredible dessert have to do with this?

Baked Alaska is a white supremacist who goes around starting fights at random, though usually sucker punches people, and was one of the people that stormed the Capitol.

And was kicked out by the cops, the second time in recent memory that he has streamed himself being kicked out of an establishment by the cops.
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Postby Sahravana » Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:54 am

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The Marlborough wrote:Baked Alaska is a white supremacist who goes around starting fights at random, though usually sucker punches people, and was one of the people that stormed the Capitol.

never heard of him or her.

I have never heard such transphobic rhetoric in my life. you ought to be ashamed.

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Postby His Excellence » Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:55 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:Trump, when given a crisis on a plate, ignored it. Like, literally, he denied Corona for a long while, just going after the Chinese instead. He didn't curtail a lot of freedoms, where even functioning democracies like Germany went into some form of lockdown and thus impacting daily life and especially the freedom of gathering. Basically, Trump floundered.

Trump imposed travel restrictions to try to stop covid's spread to America, and his opponents not only blasted him for it, but encouraged people to ignore it until it was too late, all the while they were busy distracting everyone with impeachment. But he's still somehow the bad guy? And it sounds like you're upset by him not stomping all over peoples' freedoms? What the hell? All this time, rage mobs associated with the left have been allowed to gather freely even in areas that are under lockdown, but you still seem to believe the politicians that want us all locked in our houses with our places of employment shut down indefinitely, are actually worried about the spread of covid and looking out for our best interests? Even as they're continuously caught breaking their own rules?

Cordel One wrote:After sending his people to pressure foreign countries into getting dirt on his opponents, colluding with Russia, loyalty-testing his colleagues, and screaming for months about how the election was rigged to the point hat he incited a riot that took the capitol I think it's pretty safe to make that assumption.

Right, because Trump's opponents haven't been smearing him with Russian disinformation, using voting machines from a foreign company that produced massive irregularities/errors for easy fraud, labeling everyone who isn't hardline on their side a nazi/fascist/etc, encouraging mass social division and continuous riots across the country, or spending the last four years accusing Trump of being an illegitimate leader who cheated. Before turning around and saying this election was the "most secure ever," and calling any opposition to the claim dangerous conspiracy theorist treason.

Page wrote:I don't think we are going to get anywhere until we realize that there is no meaningful difference between letting a sick person die of a treatable illness and shooting them in the head.

Cuomo had covid patients put back into nursing homes, directly infecting and killing many of our most vulnerable, and people are trying to give him an Emmy for his TV appearances. And as I already said above, many democrat leaders have been encouraging massive crowds of protestors in major cities, outright super spreader events, supposedly to fight for civil rights... while freedom of assembly in any other context is banned, among other massive blatant civil rights violations under the guise of stopping the spread of covid. But, again, the orange man is bad, right?

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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:55 am

Sahravana wrote:
San Lumen wrote:never heard of him or her.

I have never heard such transphobic rhetoric in my life. you ought to be ashamed.


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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:56 am

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San Lumen wrote:Online polls are not something one should go by. If they meant anything Cynthia Nixon would be my governor and Bernie Sanders would be President elect.


They're actually relatively accurate even if not as accurate as phone polls. Also, we both know certain party officials are to blame for Bernie's defeat.


Governor Cynthia Nixon and Andrew Gillum say hello.

Stop with the conspiracy nonsense. It is incorrect no matter how many times you say.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:56 am

Sahravana wrote:
San Lumen wrote:never heard of him or her.

I have never heard such transphobic rhetoric in my life. you ought to be ashamed.


what?

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Postby Kowani » Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:56 am

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Postby The Alma Mater » Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:58 am

His Excellence wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:Trump, when given a crisis on a plate, ignored it. Like, literally, he denied Corona for a long while, just going after the Chinese instead. He didn't curtail a lot of freedoms, where even functioning democracies like Germany went into some form of lockdown and thus impacting daily life and especially the freedom of gathering. Basically, Trump floundered.

Trump imposed travel restrictions to try to stop covid's spread to America, and his opponents not only blasted him for it, but encouraged people to ignore it until it was too late, all the while they were busy distracting everyone with impeachment.


IIRC, Trump wanted to ban Chinese from entering. Not "people that travelled from China", no, "Chinese". Mister white British man living in Wuhan would still be welcome - which ofc would make the travelban pointless.
But I could be wrong.
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Postby Sahravana » Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:59 am

San Lumen wrote:
Sahravana wrote:I bet you said the same thing about the french resistance.

what are you talking about?

I am talking about the radical liberal socialists love for fascism.

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Postby Nakena » Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:59 am

The Marlborough wrote:I wonder if this will lead to the end of Nick Fuentes and Baked Alaska (hopefully yes).


They were livestreaming. At least Baked Alaska was.

And nah i hope not. The Groypers are a good counterpart to the TPUSA crowd. Keeping themself in the balance.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:59 am

Imagine calling yourself Baked Alaska.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:00 am

Sahravana wrote:
San Lumen wrote:what are you talking about?

I am talking about the radical liberal socialists love for fascism.


Your talking complete and utter nonsense.

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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:00 am

His Excellence wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:Trump, when given a crisis on a plate, ignored it. Like, literally, he denied Corona for a long while, just going after the Chinese instead. He didn't curtail a lot of freedoms, where even functioning democracies like Germany went into some form of lockdown and thus impacting daily life and especially the freedom of gathering. Basically, Trump floundered.

Trump imposed travel restrictions to try to stop covid's spread to America, and his opponents not only blasted him for it, but encouraged people to ignore it until it was too late, all the while they were busy distracting everyone with impeachment. But he's still somehow the bad guy? And it sounds like you're upset by him not stomping all over peoples' freedoms? What the hell? All this time, rage mobs associated with the left have been allowed to gather freely even in areas that are under lockdown, but you still seem to believe the politicians that want us all locked in our houses with our places of employment shut down indefinitely, are actually worried about the spread of covid and looking out for our best interests? Even as they're continuously caught breaking their own rules?

Cordel One wrote:After sending his people to pressure foreign countries into getting dirt on his opponents, colluding with Russia, loyalty-testing his colleagues, and screaming for months about how the election was rigged to the point hat he incited a riot that took the capitol I think it's pretty safe to make that assumption.

Right, because Trump's opponents haven't been smearing him with Russian disinformation, using voting machines from a foreign company that produced massive irregularities/errors for easy fraud, labeling everyone who isn't hardline on their side a nazi/fascist/etc, encouraging mass social division and continuous riots across the country, or spending the last four years accusing Trump of being an illegitimate leader who cheated. Before turning around and saying this election was the "most secure ever," and calling any opposition to the claim dangerous conspiracy theorist treason.

Page wrote:I don't think we are going to get anywhere until we realize that there is no meaningful difference between letting a sick person die of a treatable illness and shooting them in the head.

Cuomo had covid patients put back into nursing homes, directly infecting and killing many of our most vulnerable, and people are trying to give him an Emmy for his TV appearances. And as I already said above, many democrat leaders have been encouraging massive crowds of protestors in major cities, outright super spreader events, supposedly to fight for civil rights... while freedom of assembly in any other context is banned, among other massive blatant civil rights violations under the guise of stopping the spread of covid. But, again, the orange man is bad, right?


Can we get some actual evidence with this word salad please?
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Postby The Alma Mater » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:01 am

Sahravana wrote:

the radical left claims to support free speech, but this is what they do behind the scenes.


Was he fired for saying "I support Trump" or for illegally entering the Capitol trying to disrupt the electoral process ?
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Postby Glorious Hong Kong » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:01 am

Neutraligon wrote:
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:For all my denunciations of Trump and his violent, hardcore supporters, I still don't consider them to be literal fascists or white supremacists. Just a bunch of badly-dressed 1776 QAnon LARPers as some have suggested. Trump is more of a run-of-the-mill, wannabe corrupt dictator devoid of ideology than any kind of actual fascist or communist demagogue unlike Hitler or Stalin. He's a narcissistic demagogue, but he's no fascist.

He has far more in common with Najib Razak, our beloved former Prime Minister of Malaysia who we miraculously voted out of office along with the corrupt, racist, ruling party of over 60 years due to record-high voter turnout in the face of actual, widespread, systematic election fraud and gerrymandering and a slew of newly-passed, draconian laws specifically designed to quash political dissent and silence any discussion of the 1MDB corruption scandal he was implicated in.

I'm still right about one thing. American democracy continues to endure despite the coup attempt. May American exceptionalism prevail for the next 10,000 years.

I ask again what exactly do you like about trump. You claimed he is now nothing but a whiner, but all he has been doing during his presidency is whine. Hell he was whining when he won the election, let alone when he lost this one.


From the MAGAthread. Second paragraph especially.

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Des-Bal wrote:
I appreciate that the haze has left you and I'm a firm believer that the only path to having a functional country is to recognize the humanity of the opposition and find common ground for dialogue. I further believe that the democrats choice to delineate between themselves and the opposition rather than try to make peace has resulted in a political environment so hostile that in 2015 I would have told you was just not possible. That said, what the actual fuck are you talking about?

Now that the scales have fallen from your eyes are you not seeing this shit? He glazed over violence and death perpetrated by his most rabid supporters and shifted focus away from them wherever he could. This did not happen over night. His first campaign was characterzied by courting the unhinged and using disinformation to drive people to irrational and dangerous conclusions and the progressive decay of that has been neither sudden nor unexpected. People have been calling this shit since Covfefe, it's 1984 shit- once you start trying to convince people that you have the power to dictate the truth and their perceptions and the perceptions of others are not up to the task nothing good is about to happen. It's been fucked up dictators shit since day one and the very fucking moment he started bad-mouthing mail in ballots it was manifestly obvious he was orchestrating a conspiracy. He primed these people, he refused to denounce violent militia groups and told the Proud Boys to "stand by" to police the election.

He wanted to make sure the balance of in-person voters benefitted him and then cast aspersions on the process with his fucking black shirts ready to tear shit up if it didn't go his way. That was the only reason he did this. The only reason to believe it was because you supported him more than you supported understanding the world.

You want to puke up the kool-aid? Cool, more power to you I hope everything in your life is perfect. But understand that this is your fault. You get to spread that blame around to a lot of other people but this is your fault.


I don't think Trump is intelligent enough to pull off the kind of shit you've been accusing him of. Also, hindsight is 20/20, especially now that 2020 is over. I did not see Trump supporters rioting when AP and Fox News called the election for Joe Biden back in November. I did not see Trump supporters burning down countless small businesses and setting entire parking lots on fire. I did not see any rioting and looting on the Right throughout the whole of last year. Almost all of the violence, insurrection, sedition, and political intimidation came from the Left, not the Right. That is why I supported Trump pre-Nov. 3 and I have no regrets about having done so back then if only to make a point about the violence and intolerance of the Left.

Donald Trump was a panacea to the political cowardice and political correctness of the Left. He was awesome before he self-destructed, and he did and said a lot of right things such as adopting a hardline immigration policy, triggering radical feminists by nominating Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court, banning the teaching of critical race theory in public institutions, standing shoulder-to-shoulder with Israel, moving the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, and presiding over multiple peace deals between Israel and Arab states, some of which were agreed after Nov. 3, funneling arms to Taiwan, and sanctioning HK and Chinese officials. He drew a red line in Syria and he enforced it when he ordered limited airstrikes against the Assad regime while his weak, cowardly predecessor from Hawai'i paid lip service to the ideals of freedom and democracy but allowed Putin and Assad to push him around for years. He did the same with Iran when he ordered the assassination of Qasem Soleimani. He pulled the United States out of the WHO, UNESCO, UNRWA, and the UNHRC, and he has defunded these corrupt orgs. He has rightly told the UN and international law to go fuck themselves. This is what strong and decisive leadership looks like. His Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has been very consistent and tough against China. Nikki Haley was also an exemplary ambassador under the Trump Administration, particularly in her support for Israel and denunciation of Palestinian Islamist terror. Donald Trump's foreign policy remains the best of any recent U.S. leader since FDR.

You can blame me all you want, but the fact remains that you were prejudging Trump and his supporters before they turned violent and turning a blind eye to your own side's intolerance, hatred, and violence, and hindsight is always 20/20. Antifa and BLM were as much a part of the hatred and division as Trump was, if not far more so. I did not hear Democrats unequivocally and wholeheartedly denounce mob violence until now. If I'm to blame for how fucked up your country has become, then so are you.


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Neutraligon wrote:I ask again what exactly do you like about trump. You claimed he is now nothing but a whiner, but all he has been doing during his presidency is whine. Hell he was whining when he won the election, let alone when he lost this one.


And what makes America "exceptional?"


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Postby Kowani » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:01 am

Nakena wrote:
The Marlborough wrote:I wonder if this will lead to the end of Nick Fuentes and Baked Alaska (hopefully yes).


They were livestreaming. At least Baked Alaska was.

And nah i hope not. The Groypers are a good counterpart to the TPUSA crowd. Keeping themself in the balance.

It seems Fuentes appeared on the stream in some Congressperson’s office.
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Postby Rusozak » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:01 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Imagine calling yourself Baked Alaska.


He seems like the kind of person where Americans try really hard to shake the negative stereotypes about us to the rest of the world, and then HE shows up and just burns all that work down.
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Postby Page » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:01 am

San Lumen wrote:
Sanghyeok wrote:
They're actually relatively accurate even if not as accurate as phone polls. Also, we both know certain party officials are to blame for Bernie's defeat.


Governor Cynthia Nixon and Andrew Gillum say hello.

Stop with the conspiracy nonsense. It is incorrect no matter how many times you say.


It is an indisputable fact that at the height of Sanders' success, the party had Obama call all the other candidates and order them to drop out with the implied promise of being given good positions under Biden. Except for Warren, she wasn't ordered to drop out because it was important to split the progressive vote as the final nail in the coffin.

It's also not a conspiracy that the party plotted against Sanders in 2016, the leaked emails reveal that. Do you think those emails are fake? That would make you the conspiracy theorist.
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Postby Sahravana » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:02 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Sahravana wrote:the radical left claims to support free speech, but this is what they do behind the scenes.


Was he fired for saying "I support Trump" or for illegally entering the Capitol trying to disrupt the electoral process ?

doesn't matter

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:02 am

Vassenor wrote:
His Excellence wrote:Trump imposed travel restrictions to try to stop covid's spread to America, and his opponents not only blasted him for it, but encouraged people to ignore it until it was too late, all the while they were busy distracting everyone with impeachment. But he's still somehow the bad guy? And it sounds like you're upset by him not stomping all over peoples' freedoms? What the hell? All this time, rage mobs associated with the left have been allowed to gather freely even in areas that are under lockdown, but you still seem to believe the politicians that want us all locked in our houses with our places of employment shut down indefinitely, are actually worried about the spread of covid and looking out for our best interests? Even as they're continuously caught breaking their own rules?


Right, because Trump's opponents haven't been smearing him with Russian disinformation, using voting machines from a foreign company that produced massive irregularities/errors for easy fraud, labeling everyone who isn't hardline on their side a nazi/fascist/etc, encouraging mass social division and continuous riots across the country, or spending the last four years accusing Trump of being an illegitimate leader who cheated. Before turning around and saying this election was the "most secure ever," and calling any opposition to the claim dangerous conspiracy theorist treason.


Cuomo had covid patients put back into nursing homes, directly infecting and killing many of our most vulnerable, and people are trying to give him an Emmy for his TV appearances. And as I already said above, many democrat leaders have been encouraging massive crowds of protestors in major cities, outright super spreader events, supposedly to fight for civil rights... while freedom of assembly in any other context is banned, among other massive blatant civil rights violations under the guise of stopping the spread of covid. But, again, the orange man is bad, right?


Can we get some actual evidence with this word salad please?

Cuomo has done many awful things and said many out of touch comments such as “if your business goes under blame me.” Or “if I shut down the state again you should be happy about it” and my personal favorite “if your so desperate for a job go work in a hospital.”

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:03 am

Sahravana wrote:
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Was he fired for saying "I support Trump" or for illegally entering the Capitol trying to disrupt the electoral process ?

doesn't matter


You joking right? You think it was wrong to fire this person for insurrection and sedition?

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Postby Insaanistan » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:03 am

Sahravana wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Was he fired for saying "I support Trump" or for illegally entering the Capitol trying to disrupt the electoral process ?

doesn't matter

Yeah, it does. If he was caught on camera robbing a bank with his work ID on and got fired you wouldn’t be saying the same thing.
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Sahravana wrote:doesn't matter


Yes it does, because firing somebody for committing a serious crime and firing them for having political opinions you disagree with are wildly different.
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San Lumen wrote:
Sahravana wrote:doesn't matter


You joking right? You think it was wrong to fire this person for insurrection and sedition?

that's what they said about samuel jackson and the sons of liberty

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