American Politics I: It's All Applesauce

[Farnhamia]

Stalin was counterrevolutionary and violated almost everything Lenin stood for

Trust NSG to turn a far-right coup in the US into a discussion of Soviet leaders.

You make a good point.

American politics, people, please. Soviet leaders can have their own thread.

[The Blaatschapen]

You can dislike Trump, but do you know how insanely evil Hitler was?

And how different would Trump be given the amount of power that Hitler had?

Quite actually.

"Never let a good crisis go to waste".

So, Hitler used a crisis(the burning of the reichstag) to grab more power. Heck, the nazis even created the crisis themselves. They were not *given* it.

Trump, when given a crisis on a plate, ignored it. Like, literally, he denied Corona for a long while, just going after the Chinese instead. He didn't curtail a lot of freedoms, where even functioning democracies like Germany went into some form of lockdown and thus impacting daily life and especially the freedom of gathering. Basically, Trump floundered.

[Asherahan]

What you think Trump is gonna decree emergency powers to himself?

Is he that megalomaniac?

[San Lumen]

Trump was happy Loeffler and Perdue lost, because they didn’t defend him enough

I wonder if after he leaves office he is going to do everything possible to defeat every Republican who didn't;t didn't recognize him as the legitimate winner.

[Cordel One]

And how different would Trump be given the amount of power that Hitler had?

Quite actually.

"Never let a good crisis go to waste".

So, Hitler used a crisis(the burning of the reichstag) to grab more power. Heck, the nazis even created the crisis themselves. They were not *given* it.

Trump, when given a crisis on a plate, ignored it. Like, literally, he denied Corona for a long while, just going after the Chinese instead. He didn't curtail a lot of freedoms, where even functioning democracies like Germany went into some form of lockdown and thus impacting daily life and especially the freedom of gathering. Basically, Trump floundered.

You're right. Good thing he was too incompetent to seize power.

[Ifreann]

What you think Trump is gonna decree emergency powers to himself?

Is he that megalomaniac?

Hasn't he already declared various emergencies in an effort to get his wall funded or to send federal agents to attack protesters?

[Flarbinia]

Awww Trump fails again in Wisconsin.

Judge dismissed the suit for “ finding that the president’s arguments “fail as a matter of law and fact.””

Of course Rudy is saying he is not finished. Go Rudy go. Keep destroying your image.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... -wisconsin

So what is Trumps record now? 3-60something?

Can’t people start suing the trump organization over harassment lawsuits?

Really? The Hill? They're Fake News. Considering that Trump has plenty of enthuastiac supporters willing to donate to his cause, the Trump Organization can drag out the case until it is either dismissed or the other side decides to settle it out of court. Also, that judge is either a corrupt Democrat or an backstabbing RINO.

[Kowani]

Jake LaTurner (R-KN) tests positive for COVID after participating in last night’s vote

Schumer calls for Trump’s immediate removal

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Trump was happy Loeffler and Perdue lost, because they didn’t defend him enough

I wonder if after he leaves office he is going to do everything possible to defeat every Republican who didn't;t didn't recognize him as the legitimate winner.

I hope the Republican civil war is vicious and divisive and a spectacular bloodsport to behold, but I have a feeling that within a few months most of the anti-Trumpers will have tucked their tails and bowed down in submission and the MAGA crowd will be victorious.

[The Emerald Legion]

Quite actually.

"Never let a good crisis go to waste".

So, Hitler used a crisis(the burning of the reichstag) to grab more power. Heck, the nazis even created the crisis themselves. They were not *given* it.

Trump, when given a crisis on a plate, ignored it. Like, literally, he denied Corona for a long while, just going after the Chinese instead. He didn't curtail a lot of freedoms, where even functioning democracies like Germany went into some form of lockdown and thus impacting daily life and especially the freedom of gathering. Basically, Trump floundered.

You're right. Good thing he was too incompetent to seize power.

Or alternatively he wasn't trying to seize power.

[Asherahan]

What you think Trump is gonna decree emergency powers to himself?

Is he that megalomaniac?

Hasn't he already declared various emergencies in an effort to get his wall funded or to send federal agents to attack protesters?

Yeah but we are talking about a whole different kind of level of fuckery here.

[Cannot think of a name]

Awww Trump fails again in Wisconsin.

Judge dismissed the suit for “ finding that the president’s arguments “fail as a matter of law and fact.””

Of course Rudy is saying he is not finished. Go Rudy go. Keep destroying your image.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... -wisconsin

So what is Trumps record now? 3-60something?

Can’t people start suing the trump organization over harassment lawsuits?

Really? The Hill? They're Fake News. Considering that Trump has plenty of enthuastiac supporters willing to donate to his cause, the Trump Organization can drag out the case until it is either dismissed or the other side decides to settle it out of court. Also, that judge is either a corrupt Democrat or an backstabbing RINO.

Dude you’re not supposed to use all of the empty knee jerk responses at once, pace yourself.

[Major-Tom]

You're right. Good thing he was too incompetent to seize power.

Or alternatively he wasn't trying to seize power.

It's not like he said he would try to for two months, right?

You're a smart guy, you can let the guard down for a second without being stubborn.

[Major-Tom]

Trump was happy Loeffler and Perdue lost, because they didn’t defend him enough

I wonder if after he leaves office he is going to do everything possible to defeat every Republican who didn't;t didn't recognize him as the legitimate winner.

Psst, third party.

[Cordel One]

You're right. Good thing he was too incompetent to seize power.

Or alternatively he wasn't trying to seize power.

After sending his people to pressure foreign countries into getting dirt on his opponents, colluding with Russia, loyalty-testing his colleagues, and screaming for months about how the election was rigged to the point hat he incited a riot that took the capitol I think it's pretty safe to make that assumption.

Oh yeah, and he tried to coerce people into giving him electoral votes.

[Esalia]

You're right. Good thing he was too incompetent to seize power.

Or alternatively he wasn't trying to seize power.

Strange for a man who, after losing power, lied over and over again about how the reason he lost that power was illegitimate (and implying that he wants to stay in power) to not be trying to seize power after all.

[San Lumen]

I wonder if after he leaves office he is going to do everything possible to defeat every Republican who didn't;t didn't recognize him as the legitimate winner.

Psst, third party.

Its highly possible. A civil war seems to be brewing in the party. A good portion of his base did not turn out in Georgia runoffs. I wonder if that will continue going forward. Virginia will be the first real test of that this year.

[Ifreann]

You're right. Good thing he was too incompetent to seize power.

Or alternatively he wasn't trying to seize power.

Must be weird to be so convinced of Trump's genius that you feel you have to invent new motivations for his failed coup.

[The Alma Mater]

And how different would Trump be given the amount of power that Hitler had?

Hitler is such a unique level of pure evil and malice that no one in all of history save for maybe Genghis Khan could come close. Stalin and Mao were people who just didn’t care about anyone, Hitler actively despised and exterminated people groups

We have had plenty of those. I personally like J.P. Coen, Dutch businessman who discovered that a tribe had dared to also trade with others beside him.
So he exterminated them. The entire tribe.

[The Emerald Legion]

Or alternatively he wasn't trying to seize power.

Must be weird to be so convinced of Trump's genius that you feel you have to invent new motivations for his failed coup.

You mean the thing that wasn't a coup and you're being disengenuous about?

[Major-Tom]

Psst, third party.

Its highly possible. A civil war seems to be brewing in the party. A good portion of his base did not turn out in Georgia runoffs. I wonder if that will continue going forward. Virginia will be the first real test of that this year.

Virginia might not be the best litmus test, since like Colorado, it has solidified itself as a generally blue state as opposed to a battleground. Either way, we'll see, the Parler Crowd has made more than a few murmurs about starting a third party. They won't get much outside funding or assistance, but it could be a legitimate far-right grassroots movement that could even win in a few states (see Wyoming, Idaho, the Dakotas etc).

[San Lumen]

Must be weird to be so convinced of Trump's genius that you feel you have to invent new motivations for his failed coup.

You mean the thing that wasn't a coup and you're being disengenuous about?

It was a coup plain and simple.

You have still yet to answer what is the alleged system you want abolished to let cities die.

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You're right. Good thing he was too incompetent to seize power.

Or alternatively he wasn't trying to seize power.

He asked Pence to send the electoral votes back to the states (which he doesn't have the power to do) so the Republican controlled legislatures could give Trump new electors (which they don't have the power to do) and when that failed he agitated his supporters and when he saw what they were doing he posted an insincere video in which he told them to go home but also repeated his claims about the election being stolen knowing which part they would listen to and which part they would ignore.

The fact that he sucks at seizing power is irrelevant.

I will repeat my analogy from last night: If you think you can pay $100 to totallynotanundercovercop88 to have someone killed, you still get charged with solicitation of murder. You're not going to get an acquittal with a "no one is this stupid" defense.

The same by the way applies to his phone call to Georgia's Secretary of State. The stupidity of it all doesn't make it less criminal.

[Major-Tom]

Must be weird to be so convinced of Trump's genius that you feel you have to invent new motivations for his failed coup.

You mean the thing that wasn't a coup and you're being disengenuous about?

I mean, when a guy repeatedly tells his supporters that he won, repeatedly tries to stop the incoming administration from being certified, and tells his supporters to descend on the capitol, what are we supposed to call it?

A little fucky wucky mishapperino at the Capitol? Give me a break.

[San Lumen]

Its highly possible. A civil war seems to be brewing in the party. A good portion of his base did not turn out in Georgia runoffs. I wonder if that will continue going forward. Virginia will be the first real test of that this year.

Virginia might not be the best litmus test, since like Colorado, it has solidified itself as a generally blue state as opposed to a battleground. Either way, we'll see, the Parler Crowd has made more than a few murmurs about starting a third party. They won't get much outside funding or assistance, but it could be a legitimate far-right grassroots movement that could even win in a few states (see Wyoming, Idaho, the Dakotas etc).

Virginia is a good test as it mirrors the country demographically.

Let them start the third party. A split in the Republican party would help Democrats.