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Postby Shrillland » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:38 pm

Torisakia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:A armed insurrection and coup attempt

Although would it really be a coup if they're attempting to keep the existing government in place rather than remove it? Unless the definition of a coup d'etat has changed.


Self-coups do exist.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:38 pm

Esalia wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:
How is this different from the House of Commons getting stormed by pro-hunting activists? The scale, the fact that it's about an election rather than a single bill or that the president is possibly encouraging it? I'm not denying what you say, I'm just trying to catagorise this event since I am passed being shocked. I think I will be shocked if the protesters actualy achieve anything beyond delying the procedings for a day.


I'm not Archregimancy, but what scares me about all of this is the potential precedent.

It's what scares me the most about any of Trump's post-election antics. Not that he'll succeed doing them (he hasn't, and it was unlikely from the start that he would), but that he opens the door to much more competent people pulling the same shit.

And now, we have a man who whipped his base into a frenzy watch as they storm the capitol with the intention not to oppose one singular bill, but to oppose democracy itself, and the best thing he has to say is "be peaceful guys!".


That is true, some things in democracy are supposed to be sacrosanct yet Trump is happy to remove that ideal just to hold on to some hardcore supporters. He might not even believe his own alligations but it gets him a pyrrhic victory of sorts so it's worth it in his eyes.
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Postby Untecna » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:39 pm

Torisakia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:A armed insurrection and coup attempt

Although would it really be a coup if they're attempting to keep the existing government in place rather than remove it? Unless the definition of a coup d'etat has changed.

It's a coup and not a coup

A quantum coup, if I may.
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Postby Torisakia » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:39 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:We're relying on Virginia State Police to defend the Republic because the MPD is incompetent, the DCNG is emasculated and the USSS isn't nearly enough to deal with a coup d'etat.


Chist.

Should canada just come in and annex the US now?

Nah. Canada doesn't need that headache.
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Faraby wrote:Will we remember where we were on this day like we (or our parents or older siblings) remember where we were on 9/11?

I get the joy of remembering both.




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The Alma Mater wrote:He probably will though. His base is ecstatic.

And the party needs to tell them to go to hell.


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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:We're relying on Virginia State Police to defend the Republic because the MPD is incompetent, the DCNG is emasculated and the USSS isn't nearly enough to deal with a coup d'etat.


Chist.

Should canada just come in and annex the US now?

HAHAHAHAHA yeah right like Canada will do anything against the US armed forces.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:39 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:We're relying on Virginia State Police to defend the Republic because the MPD is incompetent, the DCNG is emasculated and the USSS isn't nearly enough to deal with a coup d'etat.


Chist.

Should canada just come in and annex the US now?

California's population alone is more than Canada's, so it would ultimately be dominated by us anyway.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:40 pm

SD_Film Artists wrote:
-Ra- wrote:Never in my lifetime would I have ever imagined the capitol of the most prosperous democracy on Earth being stormed by hooligans, thugs and plain-clothed Nazis.

I am genuinely afraid for the continuation of the liberal democratic world order.


SD_Film Artists wrote:
How is this different from the House of Commons getting stormed by pro-hunting activists? The scale, the fact that it's about an election rather than a single bill or that the president is possibly encouraging it? I'm not denying what you say, I'm just trying to catagorise this event since I am passed being shocked. I think I will be shocked if the protesters actualy achieve anything beyond delying the procedings for a day.


And again:

The Archregimancy wrote:A) The House of Commons protesters weren't involved in the selection of the Prime Minister.

B) The House of Commons protesters didn't have guns, and no one was shot.

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Postby Untecna » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:40 pm

Maineiacs wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:I get the joy of remembering both.




Are you old enough to remember when we thought the Challenger disaster was the worst thing we'd ever have to witness? Now even 9/11 isn't the worst thing we've had to witness.

It actually still technically is.
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Esalia wrote:I'm not Archregimancy, but what scares me about all of this is the potential precedent.

It's what scares me the most about any of Trump's post-election antics. Not that he'll succeed doing them (he hasn't, and it was unlikely from the start that he would), but that he opens the door to much more competent people pulling the same shit.

And now, we have a man who whipped his base into a frenzy watch as they storm the capitol with the intention not to oppose one singular bill, but to oppose democracy itself, and the best thing he has to say is "be peaceful guys!".

Basically this. Part of me wants to point at populism, specifically the authoritarian kind that we've seen with Trump and quite a few other world leaders, as a fuel for all this.
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Postby Celritannia » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:40 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Chist.

Should canada just come in and annex the US now?

California's population alone is more than Canada's, so it would ultimately be dominated by us anyway.


And Canada would get some sun out of it.
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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:40 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:We're relying on Virginia State Police to defend the Republic because the MPD is incompetent, the DCNG is emasculated and the USSS isn't nearly enough to deal with a coup d'etat.


Chist.

Should canada just come in and annex the US now?

NEVER. And Canada is still part of the British commonwealth, so it would probably violate the Constitution because of the Queen.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:40 pm

So when can we expect Trump to actually condemn all this?
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Postby Greater Kopmakia » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:40 pm

Esalia wrote:
Asherahan wrote:Please he did the best he could.

He tweeted that they should stop.


He hasn't tweeted that they should stop what they're doing, just that they be peaceful about it.

Which is okay and all, but a) he could tell them to stop entirely not just be peaceful, and b) he could've not falsely contested the election and whip his base up and feed them lies to a point where this happens.

He did not do the best he could, assuming you are being serious and not sarcastic about this.


wh- falsely? theres too much evidence for there not to have been at least SOME fraud. full on videos of them pulling out boxes of ballots and continuing to count after ppl left a few months ago, and theyre claiming that theres 130% rate for biden which should be statistically impossible.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:40 pm

These insurrectionist clowns are all on camera and on another day they'll figure out today was the biggest mistake of their lives.
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Postby Arisyan » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:41 pm

Nuroblav wrote:Gonna retire from NS for the night. I've hadd enough political action for one day :p
Esalia wrote:I'm not Archregimancy, but what scares me about all of this is the potential precedent.

It's what scares me the most about any of Trump's post-election antics. Not that he'll succeed doing them (he hasn't, and it was unlikely from the start that he would), but that he opens the door to much more competent people pulling the same shit.

And now, we have a man who whipped his base into a frenzy watch as they storm the capitol with the intention not to oppose one singular bill, but to oppose democracy itself, and the best thing he has to say is "be peaceful guys!".

Basically this. Part of me wants to point at populism, specifically the authoritarian kind that we've seen with Trump and quite a few other world leaders, as a fuel for all this.


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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:41 pm

Asherahan wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:It speaks volumes that Trump is not even trying to calm the situation.

Please he did the best he could.

He tweeted that they should stop.

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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:41 pm

Greater Kopmakia wrote:
Esalia wrote:
He hasn't tweeted that they should stop what they're doing, just that they be peaceful about it.

Which is okay and all, but a) he could tell them to stop entirely not just be peaceful, and b) he could've not falsely contested the election and whip his base up and feed them lies to a point where this happens.

He did not do the best he could, assuming you are being serious and not sarcastic about this.


wh- falsely? theres too much evidence for there not to have been at least SOME fraud. full on videos of them pulling out boxes of ballots and continuing to count after ppl left a few months ago, and theyre claiming that theres 130% rate for biden which should be statistically impossible.


Oh are we still throwing around the Georgia water main video that even the GOP has said doesn't show fraud?
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