Muslims and Christians, how can we improve relations?

[Dedici]

So I was thinking about this the other day while at my church. So I'm a devout Christian and a full believer in Jesus Christ etc. etc. Now I'm non denominational meaning I'm not catholic nor protestant, just believer of the bible and God. Now I thought Muslims, they believe in many of the same stuff as Christians, Jesus, a god, heaven and hell, at least from what I know (Please please PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong). So I was so confused why did they absolute hate each other. There was an entire decades long war fought back in the medieval ages, then recently Muslims have been painted in a bad light, especially by extremists on the right. I feel Muslims are so alike and I want to bridge the gap, yet the world is saying otherwise. So here I am. I want to know more exactly about your beliefs and be free to ask about mine. Especially in times like this we must respect and get to know each other so we do not fear each other.

Religion should be banned !

[-Astoria-]

So I was thinking about this the other day while at my church. So I'm a devout Christian and a full believer in Jesus Christ etc. etc. Now I'm non denominational meaning I'm not catholic nor protestant, just believer of the bible and God. Now I thought Muslims, they believe in many of the same stuff as Christians, Jesus, a god, heaven and hell, at least from what I know (Please please PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong). So I was so confused why did they absolute hate each other. There was an entire decades long war fought back in the medieval ages, then recently Muslims have been painted in a bad light, especially by extremists on the right. I feel Muslims are so alike and I want to bridge the gap, yet the world is saying otherwise. So here I am. I want to know more exactly about your beliefs and be free to ask about mine. Especially in times like this we must respect and get to know each other so we do not fear each other.

Religion should be banned !

ew

[Picairn]

Religion should be banned !

Edgy.

[Plzen]

Religion should be banned !

Even leaving aside that little thing called, oh, the freedom of thought and conscience, this is just an ineffective solution in general. Banning things rarely makes them actually go away, especially when said thing is closely held-to by billion of highly passionate people.

Sheesh. And I thought I leaned plenty anti-religion.

[Nakena]

So I was thinking about this the other day while at my church. So I'm a devout Christian and a full believer in Jesus Christ etc. etc. Now I'm non denominational meaning I'm not catholic nor protestant, just believer of the bible and God. Now I thought Muslims, they believe in many of the same stuff as Christians, Jesus, a god, heaven and hell, at least from what I know (Please please PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong). So I was so confused why did they absolute hate each other. There was an entire decades long war fought back in the medieval ages, then recently Muslims have been painted in a bad light, especially by extremists on the right. I feel Muslims are so alike and I want to bridge the gap, yet the world is saying otherwise. So here I am. I want to know more exactly about your beliefs and be free to ask about mine. Especially in times like this we must respect and get to know each other so we do not fear each other.

Religion should be banned !

Your flag is that of HRE. Doesnt works out.

[Elsa De Arendelle]

In all predominantly Christian countries, anyone can post threads like these with no fear. But in Muslim countries you cannot and could not even think of such things. That will always be the difference. Muslims just have to learn to be more like Christians and coexistence will happen.

[-Astoria-]

In all predominantly Christian countries, anyone can post threads like these with no fear. But in Muslim countries you cannot and could not even think of such things. That will always be the difference. Muslims just have to learn to be more like Christians and coexistence will happen.

(X)

[The Alma Mater]

"I don't understand why people hate eachother based solely on the thing that defines their morals and outlook on life".
Think about what you said

You can have morals without religion though.

Absolutely. But for some people they are provided by their religion. Religion is a fundamental part of their identity.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

In all predominantly Christian countries, anyone can post threads like these with no fear. But in Muslim countries you cannot and could not even think of such things. That will always be the difference. Muslims just have to learn to be more like Christians and coexistence will happen.

Albania, Bosnia, Lebanon, Assad Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Tunisia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan, Kosovo. All mostly muslim countries where you can post in threads like this. But go off i guess about how this is all the fault of Muslims for all being the big bad.

[Resilient Acceleration]

In all predominantly Christian countries, anyone can post threads like these with no fear. But in Muslim countries you cannot and could not even think of such things. That will always be the difference. Muslims just have to learn to be more like Christians and coexistence will happen.

Albania, Bosnia, Lebanon, Assad Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Tunisia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan, Kosovo. All mostly muslim countries where you can post in threads like this. But go off i guess about how this is all the fault of Muslims for all being the big bad.

In Indonesia it's also relatively freer, but if you wanna be vocal, you have to play your cards right and make sure you are backed by moderate Muslims, SJWs, and the government-security complex. Then any reaction from hardline Muslims will backfire.

[Loben III]

If the Azeris could fuck off from Artsakh that would be a slight improvement.

[Kowani]

In all predominantly Christian countries, anyone can post threads like these with no fear. But in Muslim countries you cannot and could not even think of such things. That will always be the difference. Muslims just have to learn to be more like Christians and coexistence will happen.

someone should tell North German Realm this

[Ethel mermania]

In all predominantly Christian countries, anyone can post threads like these with no fear. But in Muslim countries you cannot and could not even think of such things. That will always be the difference. Muslims just have to learn to be more like Christians and coexistence will happen.

someone should tell North German Realm this

We taught them a lesson in 1918 and they have hardly bothered us since then.

[Saint Yosx]

I don't understand why people hate each other so much just because of religion while we are equal in birth and death.

It's better for all that we stick to our own kind largely

But you think that's the problem? It seems logical yes and it may work but only for a short amount of time. I don't know what all of you in believe in, Allah, god, Jesus, whatever but sperating ourselves and not discussing with each other only causes more hate and violence. A wise man once said "We are all afraid of the unknown" and if you can get to know why someone believes that and see our differences though peaceful discussion then we can work towards a better relationship. If you ever watched Middle ground its such a genius concept. You take two groups that oppose each other (Liberals and conservatives, vegans and meat eaters, Pro choice and pro life etc.) and they both answer questions and explain why they believe that. From that you can learn what and what not to do in a discussion with someone different from you.

Also I would like to say, just because someone does not respect you, does not entitle you in any way shape or form to treat them the same. I know people say respect is a two way street, but that's a cop out. Do the hard thing and respect them, let them spit at you and insult you but give them respect and dignity. Because all of us are human and humans deserve respect and love no matter what!

[Federal Asia]

We can improve relations by getting rid of Wahhabism/Salafism (for Muslims) and Zionism (for Christians).

This is why I'm interested in Sufism and Christian Gnosticism, they both have the same message and I also think they have the same roots.

[Resilient Acceleration]

We can improve relations by getting rid of Wahhabism/Salafism (for Muslims) and Zionism (for Christians).

This is why I'm interested in Sufism and Christian Gnosticism, they both have the same message and I also think they have the same roots.

Wasathiyah Islam is arguably also a pretty good model to go as it advocates moderation, pluralism, and secularism, though in practice it heavily relies on political power to sideline dissidents hardliners. Obviously they are still immensely homophobic, but tbh I don't see much hope on Islam-LGBT relations in general beyond a "live and let live" attitude. The same goes for atheism. Still, having that kind of moderate Islam as the face of conservativism in society, as opposed to the present throw-the-gays-off-the-roof hardline Islam, is far more desirable and conducive to a functioning multireligious society.

[Federal Asia]

We can improve relations by getting rid of Wahhabism/Salafism (for Muslims) and Zionism (for Christians).

This is why I'm interested in Sufism and Christian Gnosticism, they both have the same message and I also think they have the same roots.

Wasathiyah Islam is arguably also a pretty good model to go as it advocates moderation, pluralism, and secularism, though in practice it heavily relies on political power to sideline dissidents hardliners. Obviously they are still immensely homophobic, but tbh I don't see much hope on Islam-LGBT relations in general beyond a "live and let live" attitude. The same goes for atheism. Still, having that kind of moderate Islam as the face of conservativism in society, as opposed to the present throw-the-gays-off-the-roof hardline Islam, is far more desirable and conducive to a functioning multireligious society.

I think the debate on how to improve Christian-Muslim relations has little to do with the debate on Secularism/LGBT.

Take the UAE for example, they are Wahhabis and their money is responsible for the deaths of thousands of Eastern Christians (in Syria for example) yet they are praised by the West only because they are tolerant towards White tourists.

[Saint Yosx]

We can improve relations by getting rid of Wahhabism/Salafism (for Muslims) and Zionism (for Christians).

This is why I'm interested in Sufism and Christian Gnosticism, they both have the same message and I also think they have the same roots.

Wasathiyah Islam is arguably also a pretty good model to go as it advocates moderation, pluralism, and secularism, though in practice it heavily relies on political power to sideline dissidents hardliners. Obviously they are still immensely homophobic, but tbh I don't see much hope on Islam-LGBT relations in general beyond a "live and let live" attitude. The same goes for atheism. Still, having that kind of moderate Islam as the face of conservativism in society, as opposed to the present throw-the-gays-off-the-roof hardline Islam, is far more desirable and conducive to a functioning multireligious society.

I agree, a religion that believes in killing or hurting the LGBTQ community in any way is flawed, I say everyone even the LGBTQ community deserves respect even from hard core religious people. If a person from the LGBTQ community asks me how I feel about homosexuality or anything like that I'll keep it real, I feel we were not built to be like that and its supposed to be a man or woman. However I won't condemn you for it, its your choice...

[-Astoria-]

Wasathiyah Islam is arguably also a pretty good model to go as it advocates moderation, pluralism, and secularism, though in practice it heavily relies on political power to sideline dissidents hardliners. Obviously they are still immensely homophobic, but tbh I don't see much hope on Islam-LGBT relations in general beyond a "live and let live" attitude. The same goes for atheism. Still, having that kind of moderate Islam as the face of conservativism in society, as opposed to the present throw-the-gays-off-the-roof hardline Islam, is far more desirable and conducive to a functioning multireligious society.

I think the debate on how to improve Christian-Muslim relations has little to do with the debate on Secularism/LGBT.

Take the UAE for example, they are Wahhabis and their money is responsible for the deaths of thousands of Eastern Christians (in Syria for example) yet they are praised by the West only because they are tolerant towards White tourists.

I think you've confused the UAE with Saudi Arabia.

[Atheris]

Wasathiyah Islam is arguably also a pretty good model to go as it advocates moderation, pluralism, and secularism, though in practice it heavily relies on political power to sideline dissidents hardliners. Obviously they are still immensely homophobic, but tbh I don't see much hope on Islam-LGBT relations in general beyond a "live and let live" attitude. The same goes for atheism. Still, having that kind of moderate Islam as the face of conservativism in society, as opposed to the present throw-the-gays-off-the-roof hardline Islam, is far more desirable and conducive to a functioning multireligious society.

I agree, a religion that believes in killing or hurting the LGBTQ community in any way is flawed, I say everyone even the LGBTQ community deserves respect even from hard core religious people. If a person from the LGBTQ community asks me how I feel about homosexuality or anything like that I'll keep it real, I feel we were not built to be like that and its supposed to be a man or woman. However I won't condemn you for it, its your choice...

You're a good man/woman. While I disagree with your view on the LGBT+, I respect that you won't outright condemn people for it.

[Federal Asia]

I think the debate on how to improve Christian-Muslim relations has little to do with the debate on Secularism/LGBT.

Take the UAE for example, they are Wahhabis and their money is responsible for the deaths of thousands of Eastern Christians (in Syria for example) yet they are praised by the West only because they are tolerant towards White tourists.

I think you've confused the UAE with Saudi Arabia.

Saudi and UAE both support Al-Qaeda in Syria, Iraq and Yemen.

[-Astoria-]

I think you've confused the UAE with Saudi Arabia.

Saudi and UAE both support Al-Qaeda in Syria, Iraq and Yemen.

Please note the part that I bolded.

Also:

State allies:
Saudi Arabia (alleged, denied)[32]
Qatar (alleged, denied)[33]
Iran (alleged, denied)[34][35]
Pakistan (alleged, denied)[36]

The UAE is not on this list.

[Saint Yosx]

I agree, a religion that believes in killing or hurting the LGBTQ community in any way is flawed, I say everyone even the LGBTQ community deserves respect even from hard core religious people. If a person from the LGBTQ community asks me how I feel about homosexuality or anything like that I'll keep it real, I feel we were not built to be like that and its supposed to be a man or woman. However I won't condemn you for it, its your choice...

You're a good man/woman. While I disagree with your view on the LGBT+, I respect that you won't outright condemn people for it.

Thank you! My dad always used to tell me, follow G.O.L.D, which means Giving Other Lives Dignity, That's my life motto. Like my dad also said "I may disagree with you and your way of life but I still respect you", and quite frankly people get confused about that. They use different opinions as an excuse for hate and violence.

[Resilient Acceleration]

Wasathiyah Islam is arguably also a pretty good model to go as it advocates moderation, pluralism, and secularism, though in practice it heavily relies on political power to sideline dissidents hardliners. Obviously they are still immensely homophobic, but tbh I don't see much hope on Islam-LGBT relations in general beyond a "live and let live" attitude. The same goes for atheism. Still, having that kind of moderate Islam as the face of conservativism in society, as opposed to the present throw-the-gays-off-the-roof hardline Islam, is far more desirable and conducive to a functioning multireligious society.

I think the debate on how to improve Christian-Muslim relations has little to do with the debate on Secularism/LGBT.

Take the UAE for example, they are Wahhabis and their money is responsible for the deaths of thousands of Eastern Christians (in Syria for example) yet they are praised by the West only because they are tolerant towards White tourists.

My point is that a society tolerant of each other's religion doesn't necessarily mean toleration for everyone. That is, moderate Islam is not a hippie liberal belief, but it is more desireable–and far more realistic–than the alternative. In an ideal world, everyone would be equally protected, but in terms of nation-building based on existing cultures and belief, having no laws that criminalizes homosexuality is already pushing it. Further liberalization is possible, but it won't be abrupt, definitely not in the next 10 years.

[Federal Asia]

I think the debate on how to improve Christian-Muslim relations has little to do with the debate on Secularism/LGBT.

Take the UAE for example, they are Wahhabis and their money is responsible for the deaths of thousands of Eastern Christians (in Syria for example) yet they are praised by the West only because they are tolerant towards White tourists.

My point is that a society tolerant of each other's religion doesn't necessarily mean toleration for everyone. That is, moderate Islam is not a hippie liberal belief, but it is more desireable–and far more realistic–than the alternative. In an ideal world, everyone would be equally protected, but in terms of nation-building based on existing cultures and belief, having no laws that criminalizes homosexuality is already pushing it. Further liberalization is possible, but it won't be abrupt, definitely not in the next 10 years.

Moderate Islam can still be hostile towards Christianity though, while Sufism, even if it can be considered "extreme" on Western standards, is the most Christian-friendly form of Islam even if it doesn't support secularism as a matter of principle.

Again, we're talking different things here, you are talking about liberalization, I'm talking about improving Christian-Muslim relations.