Hasn’t stopped the either the Muslims or the Christians from slaughtering each other.
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by Vetalia » Tue Dec 08, 2020 6:47 pm
Resilient Acceleration wrote:Secularization and western values for both sides, to be honest. Teach things like human rights, patriotic values, and tolerance, independent of religion. Encourage religious mixing in schools and basically treat everyone as an equal part of society, a society and identity that belongs to and genuinely accepted by everyone.
Now I'm not religious anymore, but in particular, I saw that the best way to increase tolerance is to have friends outside of your own group. Because of that, I always actively criticized Islam's order of "do not closely befriend infidels" and try to find loopholes or twist the Quranic words in question to produce a different meaning. And had I became the valedictorian of my highschool (which sadly didn't happen), I planned to give a speech endorsing an inter-religious relationship between two of my close friends in front of everyone (of course without naming names) including their parents, pointing out that the Islamist-backed leader of the opposition has a Muslim father and a Christian mother.
by Resilient Acceleration » Tue Dec 08, 2020 6:47 pm
Nakena wrote:Vetalia wrote:
But that proves my point, you're an outsider who doesn't understand the depth of faith and theology in Christianity and Islam. Absolute and unequivocal truth regarding God and His revelation to humanity are essential to the Abrahamic revealed religions...we both believe our faith is absolutely, unequivocally true and there is no room for dissension on the tenets of our respective faiths. I can't walk back my faith in the Resurrection of Christ as the Son of God and the Holy Trinity any more than a Muslim can deny the divine revelation granted to Muhammad or their concept of absolute montheism worshipping the One God.
If we admit that these are fundamental differences between us, we can improve our relations in the areas we do agree.
Very much this.
And this is very true for a lot if not the majority of moslems and the culture that comes with it. Thats why many westerners fail to understand Islam, because they see it simply as something that can be easily "reformed" or secularized. The idea of such absolute belief is alien to them.
But they do not understand how deep running this can be and how much, for this reason, a barrier it can form at some point. Theres a barrier of both understanding and believing in fundamentally different truths and worldviews as well.
And I think that includes many posters here in this thread too.
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by Adamede » Tue Dec 08, 2020 6:49 pm
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:End sectarianism. Our personal beliefs do not change the fact that many times both Muslims and Christians are in the same boat in terms of socioeconomic status.
Stop violence between the working class. No more brother wars.
by Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Tue Dec 08, 2020 6:49 pm
Religious people unfortunately perceive this as a blow against religious freedom.Resilient Acceleration wrote:Secularization and western values for both sides, to be honest. Teach things like human rights, patriotic values, and tolerance, independent of religion. Encourage religious mixing in schools and basically treat everyone as an equal part of society, a society and identity that belongs to and genuinely accepted by everyone.
Now I'm not religious anymore, but in particular, I saw that the best way to increase tolerance is to have friends outside of your own group. Because of that, I always actively criticized Islam's order of "do not closely befriend infidels" and try to find loopholes or twist the Quranic words in question to produce a different meaning. And had I became the valedictorian of my highschool (which sadly didn't happen), I planned to give a speech endorsing an inter-religious relationship between two of my close friends in front of everyone (of course without naming names) including their parents, pointing out that the Islamist-backed leader of the opposition has a Muslim father and a Christian mother.
by Salus Maior » Tue Dec 08, 2020 6:53 pm
by San Kalungsod Saludong » Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:15 pm
by Adamede » Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:17 pm
San Kalungsod Saludong wrote:Learn some convivencia! Like what happened in Medieval Spain and Sicily.
Muslims should lear Latin or Greek and Christians some Arabic. Let Christians have multiple wives or husbands and let Muslims drink wine and eat pork.
by Rijk van Afrika » Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:17 pm
Adamede wrote:San Kalungsod Saludong wrote:Learn some convivencia! Like what happened in Medieval Spain and Sicily.
Muslims should lear Latin or Greek and Christians some Arabic. Let Christians have multiple wives or husbands and let Muslims drink wine and eat pork.
How the hell is any of that going to push for peaceful coexistence between Muslims and Christians?
by San Kalungsod Saludong » Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:20 pm
Adamede wrote:San Kalungsod Saludong wrote:Learn some convivencia! Like what happened in Medieval Spain and Sicily.
Muslims should lear Latin or Greek and Christians some Arabic. Let Christians have multiple wives or husbands and let Muslims drink wine and eat pork.
How the hell is any of that going to push for peaceful coexistence between Muslims and Christians?
by -Astoria- » Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:21 pm
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by Adamede » Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:21 pm
San Kalungsod Saludong wrote:Adamede wrote:How the hell is any of that going to push for peaceful coexistence between Muslims and Christians?
It existed before.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Convivencia
The Christian French-Norman King of Sicily had Arabs make his Almanac called the Tabula Rogeriana.
In Spain, the Alhambra has statues of animals and humans since even though depictions of creatures are banned in Islam the Emir, Mohammed ben Al-Ahmar employed Christians to build that in the Alhambra.
by San Kalungsod Saludong » Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:22 pm
Adamede wrote:San Kalungsod Saludong wrote:
It existed before.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Convivencia
The Christian French-Norman King of Sicily had Arabs make his Almanac called the Tabula Rogeriana.
In Spain, the Alhambra has statues of animals and humans since even though depictions of creatures are banned in Islam the Emir, Mohammed ben Al-Ahmar employed Christians to build that in the Alhambra.
That’s not what I’m fucking talking about dude.
by Adamede » Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:24 pm
San Kalungsod Saludong wrote:Adamede wrote:That’s not what I’m fucking talking about dude.
And that’s not what I fucking asked.
If Muslims wanted to live like Christians, and Christians wanted to live like Muslims, they’d convert to Islam or Christianity.
Fact is they don’t want to be either one of the groups, so you need to have them behave the same way.
I'm just saying co-existence is not impossible.
by Rijk van Afrika » Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:25 pm
by Rijk van Afrika » Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:29 pm
by The Alma Mater » Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:30 pm
by Adamede » Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:31 pm
The Alma Mater wrote:Muslims need to take more visible action to weed out rotten apples instead of seeming to support them.
Christians need to selfreflect and admit they have been quite shitty in the past.
That would be step 1.
by Rijk van Afrika » Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:32 pm
Adamede wrote:Rijk van Afrika wrote:The fact that Islamic mosques supported by Saudi extremists are trying to push for sharia law in European lands.
No thank you. I am 1/10th German and I don't want my fatherland to be destroyed like that
This is fucking ridiculous.
By now there’s only two possibilities for you; either you’re not serious about this, or you are. And frankly I’ve wasted too much of my time either way.
by Plzen » Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:32 pm
Rijk van Afrika wrote:It is. Citation: Europe today
The Alma Mater wrote:Muslims need to take more visible action to weed out rotten apples instead of seeming to support them.
by Adamede » Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:34 pm
Rijk van Afrika wrote:Adamede wrote:This is fucking ridiculous.
By now there’s only two possibilities for you; either you’re not serious about this, or you are. And frankly I’ve wasted too much of my time either way.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... ambassador
by The Alma Mater » Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:35 pm
Plzen wrote:The Alma Mater wrote:Muslims need to take more visible action to weed out rotten apples instead of seeming to support them.
I don't know what the situation is like in the world as a whole, but I know for a fact that in the Netherlands prominent Muslim religious organisers have openly stated on-air that radicalism is a serious problem, and some of their clergy have been injured defending their institutions from physical assaults by radical Islamicists.
What more can you ask for? That's more than what some Reformed Christian churches do about nutcases in their ranks.
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