Fully Lab-Grown Meat to be sold for first time in history

[Dumb Ideologies]

If they can get the price down to the upper-middle price range of ordinary meat then I'll switch. Even if it's not quite as good as the real thing I suspect it will be better than the usual vegetarian so-called "alternatives" that bear no resemblance to thing they're meant to be substituting for.

[Disgraces]

Show evidence God exists.

For the record I believe in a god

two can play at that game, prove that animal suffering is relevant to morality or anything else.

animal suffering is a purely emotional. it has no moral basis, it has no rational basis. I suggest you just cover your eyes and mute the speakers if you don't want to see farm animals suffer.

Why do you think animal abuse is illegal? Do you think it's okay to beat your dog?

[Disgraces]

Not to mention humans also are animals. By your logic anyone could beat you up and it wouldn't be immoral.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

How would this affect jobs in the beef industry? I would expect this technology to become prevalent within 10 years, especially if governments start implementing climate policies. Also, considering that 83% of available farmland is used for livestock production, the impact would probably be quite noticable. Not that the latter's a bad thing, we can significantly boost global agricultural output with so much lands freed up.

There is a balance between grazing and agricultural land, based on the quality of the land and the economic return.

Much of the grazing land is useless (without new irrigation) for raising crops. But some of it might be useful that way, if the market for grazed animal meat were to collapse. Crops like wheat, which is rather low-value due to huge supply but which require little irrigation, could move onto some of that land.

But I'll go back to my first post of the thread. Some people prefer the distinctive and always-unpredictable taste of pasture-fed meat. No matter how cheap or tasty the vat-bred meat becomes, there will be a premium market for animal meat raised on pasture, and as prices for that will increase, it is unlikely those animals will be forced onto the worst pasture land. Stock may diversify, with goats and sheep taking the poorer land, but cattle and buffalo will still be valued enough to fill the existing good grazing land.

The only upside is that some current grazing land will no longer be economical, and will be turned over to tree farming.

[Resilient Acceleration]

environmental concerns should not dictate policy. especially since the claims and concerns have not been proven yet. all environmental policy has done is make everything more expensive.

Environmental policies need not always be concerned with climate change. For example, my mom had to buy a pretty expensive life insurance a few years ago because she works on a pretty far place and travels back-and-forth by plane every week, a problem when the rainforests of Sumatra and Borneo are being burned by palm corporations, resulting in a deadly smog that affected three countries and significantly impaired visibility.

[Moralityland]

God says it is ok to kill and eat animals. you animal rights loons don't get to say otherwise. whether animals "suffer" or not in the process is irrelevant. God decides morality.

In other words, you have no morality.

And animals are property, both farm animals and pets, and property don't get rights, at least not in countries that are still sane.

Corporations have rights. Corporations are property. Are you calling the US insane?

well I agree. rights should belong to the owner of the coporation, not the corporation itself.

my morality is based on God's Morality.

[Disgraces]

my morality is based on God's Morality.

Are you a satanist by any chance?

[Vassenor]

Factory farms provide abundant food, but environment suffers

Industrial Agriculture and Environmental Impacts

Environmental Impacts of Agricultural Modifications

[Nobel Hobos 2]

If they can get the price down to the upper-middle price range of ordinary meat then I'll switch. Even if it's not quite as good as the real thing I suspect it will be better than the usual vegetarian so-called "alternatives" that bear no resemblance to thing they're meant to be substituting for.

What if it's better? You see on the menu Self-saucing Singing Schmoosteak?

(Personally I'd urge someone else to order it)

[Picairn]

my morality is based on God's Morality.

So if God doesn't exist, will you start murdering people on the street?

[Moralityland]

environmental concerns should not dictate policy. especially since the claims and concerns have not been proven yet. all environmental policy has done is make everything more expensive.

Environmental policies need not always be concerned with climate change. For example, my mom had to buy a pretty expensive life insurance a few years ago because she works on a pretty far place and travels back-and-forth by plane every week, a problem when the rainforests of Sumatra and Borneo are being burned by palm corporations, resulting in a deadly smog that affected three countries and significantly impaired visibility.

if that is all environmental policy is or was, you would get no disagreement from me. it is clear and visible, sort of like no dumping garbage or nuclear waste in rivers or other people's property. but we are not talking about something clear cut like that. if it is not clear and visible, policy should be deferred until it is, as is the case with coal gasoline disel industrial farming and others.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

In other words, you have no morality.



Corporations have rights. Corporations are property. Are you calling the US insane?

well I agree. rights should belong to the owner of the coporation, not the corporation itself.

my morality is based on God's Morality.

Well then I'm afraid we won't agree on much. God's morality is unknowable even to the most devout Christian -- the morality God expects of people is not his own -- and if you won't give me any further clues as to your morality ...

I will go with my first assumption. You have no morality.

[Moralityland]

my morality is based on God's Morality.

So if God doesn't exist, will you start murdering people on the street?

if God not exist, then human life has no value and murder would not be wrong.

people are already murdering people and burning down buildings in the streets of many countries, even the US (blm, antifa), because they don't believe in God and the sactity of human life.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Sadly I bet these bioreactors go the way of home printers. You will be able to buy one for your kitchen, but the consumables will be outrageously expensive. A business model that I hate, see also razors.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Environmental policies need not always be concerned with climate change. For example, my mom had to buy a pretty expensive life insurance a few years ago because she works on a pretty far place and travels back-and-forth by plane every week, a problem when the rainforests of Sumatra and Borneo are being burned by palm corporations, resulting in a deadly smog that affected three countries and significantly impaired visibility.

if that is all environmental policy is or was, you would get no disagreement from me. it is clear and visible, sort of like no dumping garbage or nuclear waste in rivers or other people's property. but we are not talking about something clear cut like that. if it is not clear and visible, policy should be deferred until it is, as is the case with coal gasoline disel industrial farming and others.

Wait, are you shitting on anthropogenic climate change now?

You really are determined to be wrong about everything aren't you. It's pathetic.

[Moralityland]

well I agree. rights should belong to the owner of the coporation, not the corporation itself.

my morality is based on God's Morality.

Well then I'm afraid we won't agree on much. God's morality is unknowable even to the most devout Christian -- the morality God expects of people is not his own -- and if you won't give me any further clues as to your morality ...

I will go with my first assumption. You have no morality.

whatever bruh, Traditional Christian Morality has been around for thousands of years, you can play dumb all you want. if anything it is your moral beliefs that require far more clarification as your ideology is either unique to you or is relatively new or both.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

So if God doesn't exist, will you start murdering people on the street?

if God not exist, then human life has no value and murder would not be wrong.

people are already murdering people and burning down buildings in the streets of many countries, even the US (blm, antifa), because they don't believe in God and the sactity of human life.

Christians by and large don't believe in the sanctity of human life. Nor does anyone. Fancy that, a dumbass religious principle that no-one actually lives up to.

I bet you covet your neighbour's ass on an almost daily basis. Fancy that.

[Moralityland]

if that is all environmental policy is or was, you would get no disagreement from me. it is clear and visible, sort of like no dumping garbage or nuclear waste in rivers or other people's property. but we are not talking about something clear cut like that. if it is not clear and visible, policy should be deferred until it is, as is the case with coal gasoline disel industrial farming and others.

Wait, are you shitting on anthropogenic climate change now?

You really are determined to be wrong about everything aren't you. It's pathetic.

what? you just noticed now? are you for real? I've been calling it a hoax for a while now.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Well then I'm afraid we won't agree on much. God's morality is unknowable even to the most devout Christian -- the morality God expects of people is not his own -- and if you won't give me any further clues as to your morality ...

I will go with my first assumption. You have no morality.

whatever bruh, Traditional Christian Morality has been around for thousands of years, you can play dumb all you want. if anything it is your moral beliefs that require far more clarification as your ideology is either unique to you or is relatively new or both.

I have yet to see you exhibit any virtue. Morality to me, is having virtues ... not just decrying the sins of others.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Wait, are you shitting on anthropogenic climate change now?

You really are determined to be wrong about everything aren't you. It's pathetic.

what? you just noticed now? are you for real? I've been calling it a hoax for a while now.

Oh, so you've been wrong for a whole fifteen minutes? Silly me, not noticing.

[Moralityland]

if God not exist, then human life has no value and murder would not be wrong.

people are already murdering people and burning down buildings in the streets of many countries, even the US (blm, antifa), because they don't believe in God and the sactity of human life.

Christians by and large don't believe in the sanctity of human life. Nor does anyone. Fancy that, a dumbass religious principle that no-one actually lives up to.

I bet you covet your neighbour's ass on an almost daily basis. Fancy that.

oh yes we do, we are against the murder of innocent babies in the womb, we believe that self defense is a God given right. we are against human cloning. we are against murder, including murder pretending to be mercy. and please take your meds, you are beginning to lose it.

[Moralityland]

my morality is based on God's Morality.

Are you a satanist by any chance?

Christians are the opposite of satanists , but you already knew that.

[Ethics Committee of the SCPF]

Who remembers when people were talking about the actual topic not morality and religion.

[Necroghastia]

I'd be interested in trying it.

[Picairn]

if God not exist, then human life has no value and murder would not be wrong.

Why? Humans have been progressing very well and kept on discovering new amazing stuff for 5,000 years of civilizations without God's guidance, if he exists. And even if God doesn't exist, I still wouldn't murder anybody, be it relatives or strangers. If you indeed will do so, then I believe you aren't a human with an independent mindset but instead has to derive your morals out of a (until now) nonexistent figure like a robot.

people are already murdering people and burning down buildings in the streets of many countries, even the US (blm, antifa), because they don't believe in God and the sactity of human life.

Funny, even God-fearing Christian devouts have murdered and tortured people in the name of religion. See the Crusades and the Catholic Inquisition. It was so evil, even one of the Founding Fathers were disgusted by it.

"On the whole, when we fully consider this matter, and fully investigate the powers granted, explicitly given, and specially delegated, we shall find Congress possessed of powers enabling them to institute judicatories little less inauspicious than a certain tribunal in Spain, which has long been the disgrace of Christendom: I mean that diabolical institution, the Inquisition." - Abraham Holmes. https://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founder ... sss22.html