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Postby Insaanistan » Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:52 pm

Mods can merge my Zakzaky thread with this.

Boko Haram has just claimed responsibility for a massacre of 78 farmers near Maidguri, Nigeria. As far as I can tell, they killed only Muslims. Again. Seriously, how does “Let’s kill Muslims to show how Muslim we are” make sense to “jihadis”?!

They’ve also called for 10,000 people in Maidguri to join them.

This has caused outrage across Nigeria.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-afr ... type=share

We also have the renewed outrage over the imprisonment of Ibrahim Al-Zakzaky. Al-Zakzaky is a Shiā Muslim cleric, who is beloved by Iran and hated by Nigeria’s government, which sees his organization as illegal. Shiās in Nigeria, concentrated mainly in Sokoto, want his release, as do hardliners in Iran and its diaspora. Last month, his supporters were fired upon in Abuja, Nigeria’s capital.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... if_HHVeC-U
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... 2VGZC5RbKF

And SARS: Special Anti-Robbery Squad. After an incident where it’s members killed a man and drove off in his car, Muslim, Christian and Hindu Nigerians United to protest it, and were successful in getting Muhammadu Buhari to disband it. However, SARS members were simply allowed to join other police organizations, meaning the problem has not yet been solved.
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As someone with Nigerian ancestry and relatives still in Nigeria, I would much appreciate if we didn’t let it implode.
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Postby Insaanistan » Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:01 pm

Update: Nigerian Army chief says Boko Haram will likely continue to be a threat for at least two decades.
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Postby Chan Island » Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:06 pm

Horrendous. The country has a long history with violence in the north though, which is depressing.
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Postby Insaanistan » Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:17 pm

Chan Island wrote:Horrendous. The country has a long history with violence in the north though, which is depressing.


It does indeed. Especially considering how divided Hausa people have been for centuries.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:27 pm

Muslims killing Muslims... Boko Haram isn’t very logical I guess.

That being said, this is sad.
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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Dec 03, 2020 3:50 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Muslims killing Muslims... Boko Haram isn’t very logical I guess.

That being said, this is sad.


The excuse is probably "they're not Muslim enough", at least according to their interpretation.

It could simply just be coldly pragmatic, however, and trying to encourage terror or eliminate rivals.
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Kowani wrote:Well that’s fucking marvelous

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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:31 pm

Boko Haram is clearly a Kanuri nationalist movement just like the Taliban is a Pashtun nationalist one. Focusing on religion misses the point.
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Postby Insaanistan » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:34 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:Boko Haram is clearly a Kanuri nationalist movement just like the Taliban is a Pashtun nationalist one. Focusing on religion misses the point.

No, they have a lot of Hausa and arguably speak Hausa more.
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:37 pm

Insaanistan wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:Boko Haram is clearly a Kanuri nationalist movement just like the Taliban is a Pashtun nationalist one. Focusing on religion misses the point.

No, they have a lot of Hausa and arguably speak Hausa more.


Hausas are a very large ethnic group in Nigeria. Kanuris on the other hand almost entirely live in Borno State which is pretty much where Boko Haram exists. Islam is widespread throughout northern Nigeria. Yet Boko Haram is clearly a Borno State phenomenon as opposed to a northern Nigerian, let alone Pan-Islamic one. So the real nature of BH is pretty obvious.
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Postby Risottia » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:42 pm

Insaanistan wrote:Boko Haram has just claimed responsibility for a massacre of 78 farmers near Maidguri, Nigeria. As far as I can tell, they killed only Muslims. Again. Seriously, how does “Let’s kill Muslims to show how Muslim we are” make sense to “jihadis”?!

About as much as "let's kill Christians to show how Christian we are" made sense to crusaders.

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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:46 pm

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Insaanistan wrote:Boko Haram has just claimed responsibility for a massacre of 78 farmers near Maidguri, Nigeria. As far as I can tell, they killed only Muslims. Again. Seriously, how does “Let’s kill Muslims to show how Muslim we are” make sense to “jihadis”?!

About as much as "let's kill Christians to show how Christian we are" made sense to crusaders.

In-group dynamics.


I suspect ethnic hatred. There is a reason there are things such as white churches and black churches even if they may not differ much on theology.

If Boko Haram does not represent an unusual Muslim sect in northern Nigeria. Yet it murders other Muslims in the name of Islam we have to consider whether there is an ethnic motive. We don’t interpret burning black churches as atheist violence or inter-Christian religious violence, do we? Are these murdered farmers of Hausas or some other non-Kanuri ethnic group in the predominantly Kanuri Borno State?
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Postby Insaanistan » Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:09 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:No, they have a lot of Hausa and arguably speak Hausa more.


Hausas are a very large ethnic group in Nigeria. Kanuris on the other hand almost entirely live in Borno State which is pretty much where Boko Haram exists. Islam is widespread throughout northern Nigeria. Yet Boko Haram is clearly a Borno State phenomenon as opposed to a northern Nigerian, let alone Pan-Islamic one. So the real nature of BH is pretty obvious.


Hausa dominate all of Northern Nigeria, including Shuwa Arabs and Kanuri. They don’t really hate each other. Boko Haram is quite nationalist like the Taliban, but not really “Kanuri nationalism.”
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:25 pm

Insaanistan wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Hausas are a very large ethnic group in Nigeria. Kanuris on the other hand almost entirely live in Borno State which is pretty much where Boko Haram exists. Islam is widespread throughout northern Nigeria. Yet Boko Haram is clearly a Borno State phenomenon as opposed to a northern Nigerian, let alone Pan-Islamic one. So the real nature of BH is pretty obvious.


Hausa dominate all of Northern Nigeria, including Shuwa Arabs and Kanuri. They don’t really hate each other. Boko Haram is quite nationalist like the Taliban, but not really “Kanuri nationalism.”


How so when Hausas don’t even tend to live in Borno state? Nigeria is a federal republic and governors are elected by people in a given state. Of course political leadership of Borno is as Kanuri as the people.
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Insaanistan wrote:
Hausa dominate all of Northern Nigeria, including Shuwa Arabs and Kanuri. They don’t really hate each other. Boko Haram is quite nationalist like the Taliban, but not really “Kanuri nationalism.”


How so when Hausas don’t even tend to live in Borno state? Nigeria is a federal republic and governors are elected by people in a given state. Of course political leadership of Borno is as Kanuri as the people.


Boko Haram, while based in Borno, is more than just Borno. The name itself is even Hausa.
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Insaanistan wrote:
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How so when Hausas don’t even tend to live in Borno state? Nigeria is a federal republic and governors are elected by people in a given state. Of course political leadership of Borno is as Kanuri as the people.


Boko Haram, while based in Borno, is more than just Borno. The name itself is even Hausa.


It means “Western Education is not Islamically Permissible”, which, isn’t true...
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Postby Insaanistan » Fri Dec 04, 2020 6:25 am

Update: Nigerian women rescued from “baby factory”, in which the factory owner hired men to impregnate them and sell the babies for profit.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... b67sScpbV6

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What the f-
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Insaanistan wrote:Update: Nigerian women rescued from “baby factory”, in which the factory owner hired men to impregnate them and sell the babies for profit.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... b67sScpbV6

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What the f-


What the actual fuck
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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:Update: Nigerian women rescued from “baby factory”, in which the factory owner hired men to impregnate them and sell the babies for profit.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... b67sScpbV6

...
What the f-


What the actual fuck


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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:26 am

Insaanistan wrote:Update: Nigerian women rescued from “baby factory”, in which the factory owner hired men to impregnate them and sell the babies for profit.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... b67sScpbV6

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What the f-


It’s a southern Nigerian phenomenon, right? That has nothing to do with Boko Haram and is a completely different problem. The location mentioned here is in Yorubaland near Lagos.
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Postby Insaanistan » Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:30 am

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:Update: Nigerian women rescued from “baby factory”, in which the factory owner hired men to impregnate them and sell the babies for profit.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... b67sScpbV6

...
What the f-


It’s a southern Nigerian phenomenon, right? That has nothing to do with Boko Haram and is a completely different problem. The location mentioned here is in Yorubaland near Lagos.


The topic is Nigeria, not just Boko Haram.
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Postby Adamede » Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:36 pm

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Boko Haram, while based in Borno, is more than just Borno. The name itself is even Hausa.


It means “Western Education is not Islamically Permissible”, which, isn’t true...

Not according to them. And frankly when it comes to religious extremists the only opinion they care about is their own.

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Postby Insaanistan » Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:57 pm

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It means “Western Education is not Islamically Permissible”, which, isn’t true...

Not according to them. And frankly when it comes to religious extremists the only opinion they care about is their own.

I am aware. I was just remarking it isn’t true.
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Nigerian Inspector-General Muhammad Adamu orders the immediate withdrawal of a case against inquiry into alleged abuses conducted by the now disbanded SARS police unit.
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