China posts sick image mocking ADF

[Andsed]

Human history is dark dude. Get over it. The sins of the father do not carry over to the son.

You still do not see the difference between China and the Chinese. They are as distinct as a country with slavery and slaves there. China should not exist for the same reason why Nazi Germany and Soviet Union should not exist and have been abolished, namely it murders a lot of human beings. Every China is evil from the Qin to the PRC. For example Qing Dynasty monarchs had extremely cruel punishments such as slow-cutting and massacred many people when they conquered China. Republic of China under Chiang allowed many people to die in 1942-1943 due to famines while not giving a shit. The PRC has murdered even more people.

It is necessary to abolish China where no lives matter.

The idea that because China has a bloody history it needs to be abolished all together is silly. You can find bloodshed and atrocities in any nation, China is not specifically horrific. I would not be opposed to seeing the PRC be replaced or reformed, but China as a nation should still exist.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

You still do not see the difference between China and the Chinese. They are as distinct as a country with slavery and slaves there. China should not exist for the same reason why Nazi Germany and Soviet Union should not exist and have been abolished, namely it murders a lot of human beings. Every China is evil from the Qin to the PRC. For example Qing Dynasty monarchs had extremely cruel punishments such as slow-cutting and massacred many people when they conquered China. Republic of China under Chiang allowed many people to die in 1942-1943 due to famines while not giving a shit. The PRC has murdered even more people.

It is necessary to abolish China where no lives matter.

The idea that because China has a bloody history it needs to be abolished all together is silly. You can find bloodshed and atrocities in any nation, China is not specifically horrific. I would not be opposed to seeing the PRC be replaced or reformed, but China as a nation should still exist.

China is not a nation in the same sense that the Soviet Union is not a nation, namely instead of being united by cultural ties it is simply kept together by an authoritarian regime. I disagree with your claim that China is not more horrific than most countries. If you check out old Chinese censuses you can easily see how bloody Chinese civil wars actually were. 50%+ death rates were nothing.

Permanent abolishment of China is a necessity to enforce human rights worldwide. As long as China exists as a state the Chinese are kept enslaved to it which leads to global social and economic effects similar to the effects of slavery 2 centuries ago. For example the existence of slave labor anywhere is a permanent threat to free labor everywhere.

[An-Tanwir]

PRC was in a state of revolutionary chaos during the cultural revolution and after the death of Mao, a fascist dictatorship of the Deng Xiaoping clique was instituted. Mao never achieved the goal of the worker's state and the fascists are still in the process of dismantling what the Chinese masses built, they havent even begun building their own structures.

Ah yes, poor Mao.

Poor Mao? Poor masses.

[An-Tanwir]

And you support the ideology behind the slave trade, global hunger, the housing crisis, apartheid, child labor, etc.

What ideology is that?

Unless of course you believe in the *general* ideology and not *every thing every liberal country has ever done*

Please specify.

Also, even Marxism-Leninism-Mao Zedong Thought isn't a monolithic ideology. I feel like you need to be in leftist circles to understand just how sectarian and willing to make ourselves distinct we are.

I am aware of this. The recurring core beliefs, though, are what I am criticising.

I won't subject you to the genuine horror that is maoist blog discourse (holy fucking shit there are so many people who are just 100% convinced they are the sole saviors of humanity),

I am genuinely curious to see the mental gymnastics these people take.

but know that basically every maoist organization hates all the other maoist organizations over petty ideological differences.

Considering that Maoism is about continuous revolution and upheaval/conflict, I'm not surprised that fellow Maoists go after each other.

1. Mercantilism and Liberalism
2. My point is that, if you support liberalism but you don't support, say, the trail of tears, then it shouldn't be too much of a jump to imagine that I support marxism but not the homophobia that appeared in many states.
3. What part of the core beliefs? Do you disagree that contradiction leads to change in the social order? Do you think the intelligentsia should stay separate from the peasantry? You have to be specific with what you want me to defend.
4. Oh fuck, where to start. Well there's this guy who calls himself Black Red Guard, hes a J Sakaist and hes famous for the viral (in maoist circles) "Gun control? No. Cracker control? Yes." video. He's also well known for getting on Dr. Phil after trying to blow up his neighbor's swing set, and for founding a group called the Maoist Communist Party Organizing Committee (MCP-OC). Then there's Jason Unruhe, who's another third worldist, well known for his unusual hairstyle, even more unusual third worldist beliefs, plagiarism, being blacklisted from almost every maoist organization, and his name set off my Shinigami Eyes so i guess he's transphobic too (I didnt even know that one). Bob Avakian, chairman of the Revolutionary Communist Party, is a legitimate cult leader who wrote a legit holy book, and his followers try to convert people to the cult too. Then there's Caleb Maupin, who's a "journalist" with some very weird views that are hard to pick out, but hes definitely a dengist. BlackHammer is an antisemite, Red Guards Austin raided a DSA branch; I think you get the point. Now imagine that they're all constantly writing essays shitting on eachother, and responding to those essays by shitting on the other person, and now imagine 12 more parties of under 100 people whose views are cherrypicked from these guys. Simply put, it's a mess, and every single party is neck-deep in dogmatism and LARP. There hasn't been a well-run maoist party in the US since the black panthers. The NABPP is probably the best of the bunch, but quite honestly, Chairman Zulu doesn't have an eighth the understanding of maoism that Comrade Rashid has, and he's been stuck in prison since before the party was even formed.
5. Mao talks about using the method of Unity-Criticism-Unity to prevent fractures in the workers movement (that is, identify the common goal, critique the other side and yourself, vote to decide on a line and reconcile ideological differences), which as far as i know doesnt involve splitting into a million different groups the way american maoists have been. And the worst part is, if you want there to be an organization that unites the maoist movement, you have to build that org yourself, and then there are thirteen maoist parties with competing interests.

[An-Tanwir]

The idea that because China has a bloody history it needs to be abolished all together is silly. You can find bloodshed and atrocities in any nation, China is not specifically horrific. I would not be opposed to seeing the PRC be replaced or reformed, but China as a nation should still exist.

China is not a nation in the same sense that the Soviet Union is not a nation, namely instead of being united by cultural ties it is simply kept together by an authoritarian regime. I disagree with your claim that China is not more horrific than most countries. If you check out old Chinese censuses you can easily see how bloody Chinese civil wars actually were. 50%+ death rates were nothing.

Permanent abolishment of China is a necessity to enforce human rights worldwide. As long as China exists as a state the Chinese are kept enslaved to it which leads to global social and economic effects similar to the effects of slavery 2 centuries ago. For example the existence of slave labor anywhere is a permanent threat to free labor everywhere.

Do you mean that you want to partition China? Partition sounds like what you're describing; "destroying china" makes me think of razing cities and stuff like that.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

China is not a nation in the same sense that the Soviet Union is not a nation, namely instead of being united by cultural ties it is simply kept together by an authoritarian regime. I disagree with your claim that China is not more horrific than most countries. If you check out old Chinese censuses you can easily see how bloody Chinese civil wars actually were. 50%+ death rates were nothing.

Permanent abolishment of China is a necessity to enforce human rights worldwide. As long as China exists as a state the Chinese are kept enslaved to it which leads to global social and economic effects similar to the effects of slavery 2 centuries ago. For example the existence of slave labor anywhere is a permanent threat to free labor everywhere.

Do you mean that you want to partition China? Partition sounds like what you're describing; "destroying china" makes me think of razing cities and stuff like that.

Of course. “Abolish China” has the same sense as “abolish Nazi Germany” and “abolish slavery”. It does not mean “nuke China” or “exterminate Chinese”. I was born in China myself...The people are valuable. It is the Qin-style statist tradition and Confucianism that have to go.

[Adamede]

Ah yes, poor Mao.

Poor Mao? Poor masses.

The poor masses suffered under Mao as well. Seems to just be business as usual under the post-Mao regimes.

[United Chinese Communes]

Do you mean that you want to partition China? Partition sounds like what you're describing; "destroying china" makes me think of razing cities and stuff like that.

Of course. “Abolish China” has the same sense as “abolish Nazi Germany” and “abolish slavery”. It does not mean “nuke China” or “exterminate Chinese”. I was born in China myself...The people are valuable. It is the Qin-style statist tradition and Confucianism that have to go.

Hmmm... Seems familiar.

You mean this? https://www.google.com/amp/s/supchina.c ... natic/amp/

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Of course. “Abolish China” has the same sense as “abolish Nazi Germany” and “abolish slavery”. It does not mean “nuke China” or “exterminate Chinese”. I was born in China myself...The people are valuable. It is the Qin-style statist tradition and Confucianism that have to go.

Hmmm... Seems familiar.

You mean this? https://www.google.com/amp/s/supchina.c ... natic/amp/

You need to visit Singapore or Taiwan. China is not the only polity Chinese people can live in.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Poor Mao? Poor masses.

The poor masses suffered under Mao as well. Seems to just be business as usual under the post-Mao regimes.

Exactly. Mao was really just yet another Chinese dictator. I recommend David Goldman’s articles on China. He is not 100% correct on the facts but he does get most things right.

https://www.tabletmag.com/amp/sections/ ... ina-empire

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Of course. “Abolish China” has the same sense as “abolish Nazi Germany” and “abolish slavery”. It does not mean “nuke China” or “exterminate Chinese”. I was born in China myself...The people are valuable. It is the Qin-style statist tradition and Confucianism that have to go.

Hmmm... Seems familiar.

You mean this? https://www.google.com/amp/s/supchina.c ... natic/amp/

Lol. Liu is yet another sociopath. The very fact that the opposition is as morally corrupt as Xi and communists is evidence that China should not exist and politics on the land needs to be completely reformed.

Maybe it is actually necessary to make Chinese a diaspora-based people like the Jewish people or Lebanese Christians for a while.

[An-Tanwir]

Do you mean that you want to partition China? Partition sounds like what you're describing; "destroying china" makes me think of razing cities and stuff like that.

Of course. “Abolish China” has the same sense as “abolish Nazi Germany” and “abolish slavery”. It does not mean “nuke China” or “exterminate Chinese”. I was born in China myself...The people are valuable. It is the Qin-style statist tradition and Confucianism that have to go.

Interestingly enough, there was a movement in china to get rid of confucianism that used mass organizations rather than state institutions to accomplish its goals, god, what was it called again?

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Of course. “Abolish China” has the same sense as “abolish Nazi Germany” and “abolish slavery”. It does not mean “nuke China” or “exterminate Chinese”. I was born in China myself...The people are valuable. It is the Qin-style statist tradition and Confucianism that have to go.

Interestingly enough, there was a movement in china to get rid of confucianism that used mass organizations rather than state institutions to accomplish its goals, god, what was it called again?

Lol I’m a Randian, not a Maoist. However the Cultural Revolution did inadvertently opened the path for the Chinese to fully become “Jews of the East”. Israel is the path to the future, not communism, Confucianism, antisemitism or other crazy ideologies.

[An-Tanwir]

Poor Mao? Poor masses.

The poor masses suffered under Mao as well. Seems to just be business as usual under the post-Mao regimes.

Of course the masses suffered, China at the end of the Mao era was poorer than the average poverty rate of Africa. Nevertheless, the Chinese people, of their own will, industrialized their cities and modernized their agriculture. Now, with industry concentrated in so few hands, they don't have that freedom anymore.

[An-Tanwir]

Lol I’m a Randian, not a Maoist. However the Cultural Revolution did inadvertently opened the path for the Chinese to fully become “Jews of the East”. Israel is the path to the future, not communism, Confucianism, antisemitism or other crazy ideologies.

please for the love of god elaborate

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

The poor masses suffered under Mao as well. Seems to just be business as usual under the post-Mao regimes.

Of course the masses suffered, China at the end of the Mao era was poorer than the average poverty rate of Africa. Nevertheless, the Chinese people, of their own will, industrialized their cities and modernized their agriculture. Now, with industry concentrated in so few hands, they don't have that freedom anymore.

That’s why Chinese emigration is awesome.

[An-Tanwir]

Of course the masses suffered, China at the end of the Mao era was poorer than the average poverty rate of Africa. Nevertheless, the Chinese people, of their own will, industrialized their cities and modernized their agriculture. Now, with industry concentrated in so few hands, they don't have that freedom anymore.

That’s why Chinese emigration is awesome.

Dude, we're gonna get warned for threadjacking if we discuss this here, do you have discord? I run a politics server that really needs to hear this take.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Lol I’m a Randian, not a Maoist. However the Cultural Revolution did inadvertently opened the path for the Chinese to fully become “Jews of the East”. Israel is the path to the future, not communism, Confucianism, antisemitism or other crazy ideologies.

please for the love of god elaborate

Each culture has its own traits. History shows that Chinese people are highly mercantile and belong to the same category as Jewish people, Anglos, Lebanese, Armenians, Greeks and Parsis. That’s very different from what the Chinese state of either Confucian or Communist tendencies demands. Since the nature of the people and the state are incompatible Chinese in China are as miserable as Jews in Russia. This has to be corrected either through emigration or through abolishment of China.

Given that the intermarriage rates between Chinese and other peoples are high and that the amount of hate crimes Chinese have commited worldwide is very low it is easy to see that the behavior of China (such as its hatred of Australia) does not actually correlate well with behaviors of the Chinese.

[Nakena]

Do you mean that you want to partition China? Partition sounds like what you're describing; "destroying china" makes me think of razing cities and stuff like that.

Of course. “Abolish China” has the same sense as “abolish Nazi Germany” and “abolish slavery”. It does not mean “nuke China” or “exterminate Chinese”. I was born in China myself...The people are valuable. It is the Qin-style statist tradition and Confucianism that have to go.

What is your take on Daoism?

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Of course. “Abolish China” has the same sense as “abolish Nazi Germany” and “abolish slavery”. It does not mean “nuke China” or “exterminate Chinese”. I was born in China myself...The people are valuable. It is the Qin-style statist tradition and Confucianism that have to go.

What is your take on Daoism?

I don’t either support or oppose it. Instead I support importing intellectualism from the most intellectual culture on this planet: the Jewish people. Marxism is just one bad apple on the good tree of Jewish intellectualism.

We can argue that Yang Zhu was clearly a predecessor of Ayn Rand. If only China and its state Confucianism & Sinolegalism have never happened..

[Bombadil]

To be quite honest what the ADF has been up to hasn't been good.

Afghan civil society leaders have reacted with disgust to photographs of an Australian special forces soldier drinking alcohol from the prosthetic leg of a slain Taliban fighter.

Images published by the Guardian on Tuesday showed a senior soldier who is still enlisted in the Australian Defence Force drinking beer from the leg in an unofficial bar on a base in Tarin Kowt, the capital of Uruzgan province, in 2009.

Other pictures show soldiers appearing to dance with the leg, taken from a suspected Taliban fighter killed in a raid the same year, and which the squadron took with them as they were redeployed in Afghanistan, according to a former trooper.

Don't know why this thread is more about China and less about what the ADF investigation has uncovered. And I'm not a particular fan of the CCP.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

To be quite honest what the ADF has been up to hasn't been good.

Afghan civil society leaders have reacted with disgust to photographs of an Australian special forces soldier drinking alcohol from the prosthetic leg of a slain Taliban fighter.

Images published by the Guardian on Tuesday showed a senior soldier who is still enlisted in the Australian Defence Force drinking beer from the leg in an unofficial bar on a base in Tarin Kowt, the capital of Uruzgan province, in 2009.

Other pictures show soldiers appearing to dance with the leg, taken from a suspected Taliban fighter killed in a raid the same year, and which the squadron took with them as they were redeployed in Afghanistan, according to a former trooper.

Don't know why this thread is more about China and less about what the ADF investigation has uncovered. And I'm not a particular fan of the CCP.

Killing POWs IS a war crime. A war crime is a war crime.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

What is your take on Daoism?

I don’t either support or oppose it. Instead I support importing intellectualism from the most intellectual culture on this planet: the Jewish people. Marxism is just one bad apple on the good tree of Jewish intellectualism.

I must say this is the most interesting set of political beliefs I’ve seen anywhere so far

[Nakena]

What is your take on Daoism?

I don’t either support or oppose it. Instead I support importing intellectualism from the most intellectual culture on this planet: the Jewish people. Marxism is just one bad apple on the good tree of Jewish intellectualism.

I am not sure about that.

Secular jewish intellectualism in the west has often a tendency towards neuroticism which, often resulting in endless mind grinding. I came to the conclusion that this a product of diaspora and disappears amongst those who have settled in Israel itself.

Related: https://www.thejc.com/comment/opinion/t ... ke-1.64114

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

I don’t either support or oppose it. Instead I support importing intellectualism from the most intellectual culture on this planet: the Jewish people. Marxism is just one bad apple on the good tree of Jewish intellectualism.

I am not sure about that.

Secular jewish intellectualism in the west has often a tendency towards neuroticism which, often resulting in endless mind grinding. I came to the conclusion that this a product of diaspora and disappears amongst those who have settled in Israel itself.

Related: https://www.thejc.com/comment/opinion/t ... ke-1.64114

I don’t really care that much about political tendencies of intellectuals. The quality of discourse is much more important. However my favorite authors on both the social left and the social right (Jared Diamond, Jonathan Haidt, David Goldman, Emmanuel Todd, Ayn Rand, Scott Alexander, Eliezer Yudkowsky etc) are more than 50% ethnically Jewish without me purposely looking for Jewish books to read. That says something.