China posts sick image mocking ADF

[An-Tanwir]

The image portrayed an Australian soldier killing a civilian; that has not occured in such manner nor circumstance.

Nobody thinks that it happened exactly like that. Where would you even find a jigsaw puzzle of the flag of Afghanistan larger than several people?

Take a look at this political cartoon about British imperialism. Is the illustrator suggesting that there is literally a giant octopus with the head of a british businessman whose tentacles are powerful enough to lift landmasses out of the ocean. It is symbolic of actual events, with the intent of making people see the facts from a particular emotional point of view. It would be disingenuous to treat it as a factual report of actual events.

[Mathuvan Union]

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[Kexholm Karelia]

China is the number one threat to human rights worldwide right now, the more people talk about it, the more it helps

Tell that to the 39 Afghan people Australia murdered.

I'm sure those people in heaven would love to know how much of a big bad wolf China is after they where killed by Australia.

Whilst I am deeply sorry to read about your experiences, that is not a justification to embrace Maoism, of all things .

Fun fact: Shiting on the PRC and being against warcrimes are not mutually exclusive.

The PRC does shity things and so did Australia when they killed those civvies.

I think An-Tanwir is a Maoist

[Alcala-Cordel]

CAN WE STOP TALKING ABOUT CHINA HOLY SHIT PLEASE CAN WE HAVE A DIFFERENT THREAD FOR ONCE OMGOIJKTKRJKRKLEJGKLFDJKGLJDKLJGLKDFKGJDFKJGKFDJGDFKJGDFK

China is the number one threat to human rights worldwide right now, the more people talk about it, the more it helps

Just wait till you hear about the United States.

[Giovenith]

Nobody thinks that it happened exactly like that. Where would you even find a jigsaw puzzle of the flag of Afghanistan larger than several people?

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Take a look at this political cartoon about British imperialism. Is the illustrator suggesting that there is literally a giant octopus with the head of a british businessman whose tentacles are powerful enough to lift landmasses out of the ocean. It is symbolic of actual events, with the intent of making people see the facts from a particular emotional point of view. It would be disingenuous to treat it as a factual report of actual events.

I've been to a fucking social studies class. Acting consistently like a condescending dick will not help your case.

Watch it.

drivel

Cringe.

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[Devionsa]

Lol. I just couldn't help it. Sorry.

[Vassenor]

Trying to decide if people are more angry about war crimes being called out or the fact it's a convenient excuse to rant about Chinese evil.

[Mathuvan Union]

Trying to decide if people are more angry about war crimes being called out or the fact it's a convenient excuse to rant about Chinese evil.

I don't know what I'm angry about but I'm angry about something from this thread.
edit: gio has scared the hell out of me and i will be taking some time off this thread.

[Giovenith]

Lol. I just couldn't help it. Sorry.

No, you could and you will if you want to remain on this site.

[Devionsa]

I did say sorry. GHK presses all my buttons for some reason.

[Insaanistan]

I did say sorry. GHK presses all my buttons for some reason.

He presses a lot of our buttons for a lot of reasons.

[An-Tanwir]

I think An-Tanwir is a Maoist

Yah im learning maoism at the moment

[Cordel One]

I did say sorry. GHK presses all my buttons for some reason.

He presses a lot of our buttons for a lot of reasons.

I kinda like going after people who make strawmwen.

[Loben III]

I think An-Tanwir is a Maoist

Yah im learning maoism at the moment

Prepare for disappointment.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

And you support the ideology behind the slave trade, global hunger, the housing crisis, apartheid, child labor, etc.

What ideology is that?

Unless of course you believe in the *general* ideology and not *every thing every liberal country has ever done*

Please specify.

Also, even Marxism-Leninism-Mao Zedong Thought isn't a monolithic ideology. I feel like you need to be in leftist circles to understand just how sectarian and willing to make ourselves distinct we are.

I am aware of this. The recurring core beliefs, though, are what I am criticising.

I won't subject you to the genuine horror that is maoist blog discourse (holy fucking shit there are so many people who are just 100% convinced they are the sole saviors of humanity),

I am genuinely curious to see the mental gymnastics these people take.

but know that basically every maoist organization hates all the other maoist organizations over petty ideological differences.

Considering that Maoism is about continuous revolution and upheaval/conflict, I'm not surprised that fellow Maoists go after each other.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Australia demands China apologise for posting 'repugnant' fake image

Australia has demanded China apologise for posting a fake picture on a government Twitter account that depicted an Australian soldier murdering an Afghan child.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison said Beijing should be "utterly ashamed" for sharing the "repugnant" image.

It comes amid escalating political tensions between the two countries.

The image referred to alleged war crimes by Australian soldiers - murders of Afghan civilians and prisoners.

Warning: This story contains an image some people might find distressing.

Earlier this month, a report found "credible information" that 25 Australian soldiers were involved in the murders of 39 Afghan civilians and prisoners between 2009 and 2013.

The findings from the Australian Defence Force (ADF) inquiry sparked widespread condemnation, and are now being investigated by police.

Australia to sack troops over Afghan killings

What exactly did China put online?

On Monday, Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Lijian Zhao posted a fabricated image which portrayed an Australian soldier with a bloody knife next to a child. The child is seen holding a lamb.

The image appears to be a reference to previously reported allegations that elite Australian soldiers used knives to murder two 14-year-old Afghan boys. The Australian Broadcasting Corporation reported the ADF report did not substantiate those allegations.
In a fake image, an Australian solider is seen murdering a child who is holding a lambimage copyrightTwitter
image captionChinese official Lijian Zhao posted the fake image on Monday

However it did find "credible evidence" of unlawful killings and a "warrior culture" within elite units. The allegations included that junior soldiers were encouraged to shoot prisoners for their first kill.

Mr Zhao's tweet said: "Shocked by murder of Afghan civilians & prisoners by Australian soldiers. We strongly condemn such acts, and call for holding them accountable."
How did Australia respond?

Australia has requested Twitter remove the post from its platform, describing it as "disinformation". Mr Morrison described the post as "truly repugnant, deeply offensive, utterly outrageous".

"The Chinese government should be totally ashamed of this post. It diminishes them in the world's eyes," he said. "It is a false image and terrible slur on our defence forces."

He added that Australia had established a transparent process to investigate the alleged war crimes, as was expected of a "democratic, liberal" country.

Mr Morrison went on to acknowledge that there are "undoubtedly" tensions between the two nations, but said: "This is not how you deal with it."

He warned Beijing that other countries around the world were watching its actions towards Australia.
media captionAustralia and China are big trading partners but have disagreed on a number of important political issues
Presentational grey line
Analysis box by Shaimaa Khalil, Australia correspondent

This is a new low in an already very tense relationship between the two key trading partners. Last week, Mr Zhao said the war crimes' report "fully exposed the hypocrisy of the human rights and freedom these Western countries are always chanting".

But his tweet shocked Scott Morrison into his most undiplomatic language yet.

It's another indication of how bad things have become between Canberra and Beijing. The Australian prime minister acknowledged that the two countries have had their problems but this tweet, he said, had gone too far.

This comes at a very sensitive time for Australia. The country and its military are reeling from the findings of the war crimes inquiry - 19 Special Air Service (SAS) troops could face prosecution for the murders.

For China to use this against Australia is one thing, but a senior Chinese official doing so accompanied by a fake inflammatory image has clearly pushed the Morrison government over the edge.

Australian exporters are on tenterhooks about what other tariffs they can expect from China amid the escalating spat. There's a lot at stake here: crucial diplomatic relations and billions of dollars' worth of trade. Both sides know that but it seems that only Australia, despite its fury, is still willing to extend a hand.

It's worth noting that in his angry comments today, Mr Morrison still left room for diplomatic manoeuvre. "Despite this terribly offensive post today, I would ask again and call on China to re-engage in that dialogue," he said, adding that he hoped this "awful" event would lead to a type of "reset".

But China is unrepentant. Foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said: "It's not China which should be ashamed, but Australia."

The year when Australia and China hit 'lowest ebb'

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Why are China-Australia relations so bad?

Bilateral relations between the two countries have rapidly deteriorated this year after Australia led calls for an investigation into the origins of the coronavirus pandemic, and ongoing discussion about Beijing's alleged interference in Australian affairs.

In recent months, China has imposed a series of economic blows - including trade stoppages and tariffs - on about a dozen Australian imports including wine, barley and beef.

Australia has described China's actions as "economic coercion".

Earlier this month, China's embassy in Australia circulated a list to local media outlining 14 policy areas where it said Australia had acted in a way that aggravated relations.

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These included Australia's decision to block Chinese investment projects, ban Chinese tech firm Huawei from its 5G tender, and "incessant wanton interference in China's Xinjiang, Hong Kong and Taiwan affairs".

Australia has said it will not change its policy positions.

On Monday, Mr Morrison confirmed that Australia's requests for meetings with senior Chinese ministers continued to be rebuffed.

Scott Morrison is one pissed fella and rightly so. Australia, for the record, puts its own soldiers on trial on war crimes charges. China doesn't. The only hypocrisy involves China interfering in the internal affairs of other countries while expecting other countries not to interfere in its own "internal" affairs. China's trade war on Australia, its threats and intimidation of Australian nationals residing in China, particularly Australian journalists, and now, this disgusting tweet, all started because Australia had the temerity to call for an independent investigation into the origins of the coronavirus pandemic. China is behaving absolutely vindictively over a minor, perceived slight that wasn't even an insult, but a reasonable request. Zhao Lijian is one absolutely sick, twisted piece of shit, and he is being defended rather than fired for his vile, undiplomatic tweet. The CCP stands with a literal sociopath.

Shame, a core component of traditional Chinese culture, doesn't seem to register in the minds of these Chinese, absolutist, communists who continue to govern China through fear. Instead of apologizing for their bullshit, they constantly demand others apologize to them and frame themselves as perpetual victims of evil whitey racist imperialists who can do absolutely no wrong while behaving exactly as their historic oppressors have done in the past. Expect them to implement further trade tariffs and make life even more difficult for Australian expats in China in response to Canberra's audacity to so much as demand an apology for something that China did or said. Aussies and Kiwis were supposed to lie down and roll over like puppies instead of, you know, asking serious questions and standing up for themselves. That's what we're dealing with.

I stand shoulder to shoulder with Australia and the Western world. CCP delenda est.

Why Scott Morrison continues to hold out hope for a "reset" in relations with a regime that has absolutely nothing in common with a liberal democracy such as Australia, I have no idea. Morrison has yet to comprehend true evil in all its horror. And why the hell does Twitter continue to host Chinese-based accounts when Twitter is effectively banned in China? Zhao Lijian and all of these Chinese accounts should be taken down post-haste until China opens up politically.

So NSGers, what actions should be taken by Australia and Twitter going forward in response to this escalating BS from China?

I think a total severing of diplomatic and trade ties is in order on Australia's part. Australian nationals should be evacuated from China ASAP. Best to fully deprive China of any remaining means to blackmail and bully Australia into submission. Total economic decoupling should be on the table.

Zhao Lijian and all these Chinese accounts should be banned from Twitter for as long as Twitter is banned and censored in China while special exemptions are made for Zhao, Hua Chunying, and other assorted wumaos (paid 50-cent, online trolls). Twitter can do this instead of going after right-wing and conservative commentators in liberal democracies where the platform isn't banned and selling its principles down the gutter like the unprincipled, corporate, neoliberal hypocrites that they clearly are.

There is a reason why China has to be abolished mostly for the sake of its slaves, known as the “Chinese” but also for the rest of humanity. The existence of China is inherently dangerous to humanity in general and Chinese people in particular because unlike real ethnostates such as Israel, Japan and West European countries in the past it not only does not help the diaspora but also harm them.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

And you support the ideology behind the slave trade, global hunger, the housing crisis, apartheid, child labor, etc.

What ideology is that?

Unless of course you believe in the *general* ideology and not *every thing every liberal country has ever done*

Please specify.

Also, even Marxism-Leninism-Mao Zedong Thought isn't a monolithic ideology. I feel like you need to be in leftist circles to understand just how sectarian and willing to make ourselves distinct we are.

There is no Maoism as an ideology. Unlike Marx and Lenin Mao was an unprincipled opportunist and brutal Sinostate ruler, not an ideologue. It is impossible to understand Mao if you think he was actually familiar with any modern political thoughts, communism included.

I am aware of this. The recurring core beliefs, though, are what I am criticising.

I won't subject you to the genuine horror that is maoist blog discourse (holy fucking shit there are so many people who are just 100% convinced they are the sole saviors of humanity),

I am genuinely curious to see the mental gymnastics these people take.

but know that basically every maoist organization hates all the other maoist organizations over petty ideological differences.

Considering that Maoism is about continuous revolution and upheaval/conflict, I'm not surprised that fellow Maoists go after each other.

[Adamede]

So when will the PRC have that same level of success then? Because if that’s the metric, they’re a long way off.

PRC was in a state of revolutionary chaos during the cultural revolution and after the death of Mao, a fascist dictatorship of the Deng Xiaoping clique was instituted. Mao never achieved the goal of the worker's state and the fascists are still in the process of dismantling what the Chinese masses built, they havent even begun building their own structures.

Ah yes, poor Mao.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

PRC was in a state of revolutionary chaos during the cultural revolution and after the death of Mao, a fascist dictatorship of the Deng Xiaoping clique was instituted. Mao never achieved the goal of the worker's state and the fascists are still in the process of dismantling what the Chinese masses built, they havent even begun building their own structures.

Ah yes, poor Mao.

China shouldn’t exist, Chinese should be freed from China and Israel-like healthy democratic and mercantile states should replace it.

[Adamede]

Ah yes, poor Mao.

China shouldn’t exist, Chinese should be freed from China and Israel-like healthy democratic and mercantile states should replace it.

There’s a difference between China and the PRC. The PRC is a dictatorship that only goes back to the mid 20th century. China itself goes back to the Bronze Age.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

China shouldn’t exist, Chinese should be freed from China and Israel-like healthy democratic and mercantile states should replace it.

There’s a difference between China and the PRC. The PRC is a dictatorship that only goes back to the mid 20th century. China itself goes back to the Bronze Age.

I’m serious when I say that China should not exist. Yes that goes back to the first China, the Kingdom of Qin which was already a bloodthirsty regime. The Great Wall was to a significant extant built by Chinese forced labor conscripted by the Qin and as a result it is no less evil than the White Sea-Baltic canal built by Stalin. The word “Han Chinese” should not be understood as an ethnic group. Instead it refers to deracinated people who have been enslaved by China for way too long to the point that their thought has become thoroughly statist and have lost their natural tribal affiliation. Since the Chinese are human beings with human rights but can not enjoy human rights due to the existence of China it is necessary to abolish China in order to liberate the Chinese.

[Adamede]

There’s a difference between China and the PRC. The PRC is a dictatorship that only goes back to the mid 20th century. China itself goes back to the Bronze Age.

I’m serious when I say that China should not exist. Yes that goes back to the first China, the Kingdom of Qin which was already a bloodthirsty regime. The Great Wall was to a significant extant built by Chinese forced labor conscripted by the Qin and as a result it is no less evil than the White Sea-Baltic canal built by Stalin. The word “Han Chinese” should not be understood as an ethnic group. Instead it refers to deracinated people who have been enslaved by China for way too long to the point that their thought has become thoroughly statist and have lost their natural tribal affiliation.

Human history is dark dude. Get over it. The sins of the father do not carry over to the son.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

I’m serious when I say that China should not exist. Yes that goes back to the first China, the Kingdom of Qin which was already a bloodthirsty regime. The Great Wall was to a significant extant built by Chinese forced labor conscripted by the Qin and as a result it is no less evil than the White Sea-Baltic canal built by Stalin. The word “Han Chinese” should not be understood as an ethnic group. Instead it refers to deracinated people who have been enslaved by China for way too long to the point that their thought has become thoroughly statist and have lost their natural tribal affiliation.

Human history is dark dude. Get over it. The sins of the father do not carry over to the son.

You still do not see the difference between China and the Chinese. They are as distinct as a country with slavery and slaves there. China should not exist for the same reason why Nazi Germany and Soviet Union should not exist and have been abolished, namely it murders a lot of human beings. Every China is evil from the Qin to the PRC. For example Qing Dynasty monarchs had extremely cruel punishments such as slow-cutting and massacred many people when they conquered China. Republic of China under Chiang allowed many people to die in 1942-1943 due to famines while not giving a shit. The PRC has murdered even more people.

It is necessary to abolish China where no lives matter.

[Vassenor]

Human history is dark dude. Get over it. The sins of the father do not carry over to the son.

You still do not see the difference between China and the Chinese. They are as distinct as a country with slavery and slaves there. China should not exist for the same reason why Nazi Germany and Soviet Union should not exist and have been abolished, namely it murders a lot of human beings. Every China is evil from the Qin to the PRC. For example Qing Dynasty monarchs had extremely cruel punishments such as slow-cutting and massacred many people when they conquered China. Republic of China under Chiang allowed many people to die in 1942-1943 due to famines while not giving a shit. The PRC has murdered even more people.

It is necessary to abolish China where no lives matter.

By that logic we need to destroy every country on earth because of the fucked up stuff in their history.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

You still do not see the difference between China and the Chinese. They are as distinct as a country with slavery and slaves there. China should not exist for the same reason why Nazi Germany and Soviet Union should not exist and have been abolished, namely it murders a lot of human beings. Every China is evil from the Qin to the PRC. For example Qing Dynasty monarchs had extremely cruel punishments such as slow-cutting and massacred many people when they conquered China. Republic of China under Chiang allowed many people to die in 1942-1943 due to famines while not giving a shit. The PRC has murdered even more people.

It is necessary to abolish China where no lives matter.

By that logic we need to destroy every country on earth because of the fucked up stuff in their history.

There is a distinction here. Most countries on this planet are not terminally internally violent. We can probably argue that Russia also needs to be abolished but it is hard to see why India for example needs to be abolished as well.