Enjuku wrote:Picairn wrote:Anti-CCP sentiment is not Sinophobia. Your race card is getting worn out rather quickly.
OP literally said "Shame, a core component of traditional Chinese culture, doesn't seem to register in the minds of these Chinese"
"I stand shoulder to shoulder with Australia and the Western world. CCP delenda est."
Hard to separate the anti-CCP sentiment from the blatant East vs West sinophobia.
Here's what I actually wrote:
Shame, a core component of traditional Chinese culture, doesn't seem to register in the minds of these Chinese, absolutist, communists who continue to govern China through fear.
You could try actually quoting the entire sentence instead of greenwalding (maliciously quote-mining in an attempt to twist a person's words) the OP. And the West IS under attack. The whole world is under attack from the CCP. Substitute the CCP with a democratic government and I will go from anti-China to pro-China in a heartbeat. And I'm ethnically Chinese and resent the Chinese communist occupation of Hong Kong, where I grew up.EDIT: Looks like someone pointed out the out-of-context quote-mining and you've admitted your mistake. My bad. But my point about the CCP altering my opinion of China stands. I explicitly referred to the communist regime in the OP and not "all communists" or "all Chinese" to let the mods know I wasn't trolling.
Enjuku wrote:Picairn wrote:The full quote is actually "Shame, a core component of traditional Chinese culture, doesn't seem to register in the minds of these Chinese, absolutist, communists who continue to govern China through fear."
He referred to the communists, not the Chinese. Don't intentionally cut quotes out of context to play the race card, thank you.
I stand corrected by the original argument.
The bad part wasn't "the Chinese", it was saying "Shame, a core component of traditional Chinese culture" and then proceeding to culturesplain about how Chinese "absolutist" communists aren't following their own traditions. It reeks of mockery and orientalism.
It just needs to throw in some reference to dragons or a mandate of heaven and it'll reach full white man's burden tier.
I was going to mention the Mandate of Heaven in relation to the CCP's right to govern and the PRC's legitimacy as a communist, one-party state. This is analogous to the divine right of kings that once held sway in absolutist Europe several hundred years ago. Nothing "Orientalist" about that.
I'm saying that the CCP i.e. Chinese absolutist communists have completely upended and defiled centuries of Chinese tradition with their CuLtUrAl ReVoLuTiOn and the slow-motion erasure of local dialects in favor of Mandarin. To this day, the communist regime has continued to appropriate Chinese culture and has taken it upon itself to determine what is and isn't Chinese and telling overseas Chinese like me how to think and feel and that I should betray my passport country (Malaysia) and be loyal to the PRC and only the PRC or I'm a traitor to the Chinese race. That is the
real Sinophobia. Communism is tantamount to cultural genocide in any country it is practiced in. I was defending Chinese culture from communist attempts to erase or otherwise appropriate it, not "mocking" Chinese culture.
But even if I was criticizing Chinese culture, or any other culture, that still doesn't make what I said racist or "Sinophobic". If I said that guilt is central to Western culture, would that make me Europhobic and Occidentalist? Am I culturesplaining Western culture to "poor, oppressed, white people" in need of Asian wisdom and guidance? Is it Americophobic to point out how certain, ingrained aspects of American culture contributed to the uncontrolled spread of the coronavirus pandemic and the record number of cases and deaths of any country in the world and compare it unfavorably to East Asian countries that have fared much better? Am I inviting racism, violence, and discrimination against Americans living abroad? Is calling the coronavirus the Trump virus or the USA virus racist against Americans and Trump supporters? I think not.
I do genuinely believe that some cultures are, on average, better than others, and this is a purely relative rather than absolute observation. See my views on Western vs Arab/Islamic culture. I consider Hong Kong culture to be marginally superior to even the advanced societies of the United States and Japan and a perfect synthesis of East and West despite the PRC's wholehearted attempts to annihilate it from living memory. I also believe cultures are capable of evolving and improving with time, that certain cultures can overtake others at different points in time, and that nothing is truly fixed or innate.
Finally, Orientalism is a cringe woke propaganda term invented by a late Palestinian academic that has been used to stifle critical discussion of "the Orient", particularly Arab and Islamic culture, as you have just done. Thank you, Edward Said, for the woke BS you've managed to unleash from beyond the grave.
Just to keep the thread on topic per NVI's wishes, Zhao Lijian's tweet sounds a lot like blood libel to me. This time aimed at gentiles. China is demonizing Australia for having the audacity to publicize the war crimes of its own soldiers and attempt to hold them accountable, unlike a certain country north of Hong Kong whose leaders have zero understanding of the words "we're sorry".