China posts sick image mocking ADF

[Eukaryotic Cells]

If we're going to go into "fucked up stuff China does", here's one:

https://www.aspi.org.au/report/genomic-surveillance

China is building a huge DNA database of its citizens with the help of Western biotechnology companies. Here's the "best" bit:

More disturbingly, Thermo Fisher’s Huaxia PCR amplification kit was developed specifically to identify the genotypes of Uyghur, Tibetan and Hui ethnic minorities.

Thermo Fisher is a US biotechnology equipment company. You may remember them from one of Trump's press conferences about COVID-19 testing. Eppendorf is another company with some degree of involvement.

[Kungsu]

This. My NS is based, in part, on the Chinese Indonesians. I have done hours upon hours of research into the history, culture, language, etc. and would still not claim to understand or know enough about their culture to make such statements. I know my understanding is inadequate. Unless you get a degree in the field or have a large amount of personal experience and first hand knowledge, it's best you don't go around pretending to know about a culture's traditions and values.

It's almost as bad as people who "understand Japanese culture" because they've watched inordinate amounts of anime.
Almost.

Big props to doing that research! Cultural sensitivity is a learned skill.

As for those who "understand Japanese culture" from anime...

Weebs going into Japanese restaurants and speaking full-speed anime at the servers should be a war crime.

"I seem, then, in just this little thing to be wiser than this man at any rate, that what I do not know I do not think I know either."
-The Apology of Socrates by Plato

[Picairn]

4. ehhh its a LOT more complicated than that. I adopted maoism because i realized Marxism-Leninism wasnt enough, which I adopted because I realized Anarcho-Communism wasnt enough, which I adopted because I realized Mutualism wasnt enough, which I adopted because I realized Anarcho-Capitalism wasnt enough. I got into politics in the first place because I believe wholeheartedly that the world can be better than it presently is if people stop treating the unjust actions of particular powerful individuals as facts of life to be accepted and embraced.

I became anti-american because america is anti-me. I was lucky enough to be politically conscious wrt queer rights before SCOTUS legalized gay marriage. I remember watching the news and seeing bipartisan consensus that I and my attractions were intrinsically disordered, and that I should be given fewer rights at best and be tortured with electroshock therapy at worst. Once it passed, suddenly the wind changed, and republican politicians stopped trying to repeal it, and democrats pretending they were with me the whole time. That's when I realized that liberals wouldnt free me, and I would need to work to free myself.

I regret to inform you that Maoism does not defend trans rights in any way, shape or form. Under Mao, homosexuality and trans rights were criminalized and persecuted. You would have been among the first to be interned into reeducation camps or humiliated by the fanatic Red Guards for being a "degenerate" in the Cultural Revolution.

[An-Tanwir]

What? no, we're militaristic because the military makes up the majority of our budget and we shut down all criticism of the military.
We're genocidal because we send that military all across the globe and slaughter the natives.
We're a settler state because we forcibly removed (a term that REALLY doesnt capture the horror) millions of people from their homes and lands to give it to settlers.

I'm lucky enough to not have been the victim of a violent hate crime yet, but to say that constant harassment in public is "privilege" is intentionally malicious. And for the record, it is not up to you do decide if my struggle is valid. I don't even know you, and even if I did, you physically cannot experience my experiences (for obvious reasons).

[Okay. You’re pretty privileged to base your hatred on America solely because you got called slurs. Versus, you know, people overseas who have actually felt the negative end of our supposed “militaristic genocidal settler state that slaughters innocents”]
Please read the full quote, idk how you missed this:

You have fair points regarding our country, and again I agree that it’s bad enough that we have ANY transphobes in our country instead of a few, but America is still a lot better than many countries in the world, especially regarding civil rights (for all of our flaws).

America, or at least the American government, is militaristic, and we still tend to have media that will support the military in any circumstance. Our military budget is too high and that shouldn’t be that way. However, it’s not like our military goes overseas with the sole goal of genociding millions and plundering resources. As flawed as some of the military’s actions may be, characterizing “militaristic” as something on par with “genocidal” is disingenuous. I don’t think it’s fair to say we shut down all criticism of our military, either.

There was a point where America could fairly be called genocidal, perhaps even up until a few decades ago depending on your definition of genocide, but I would like to disagree in that modern America is actively “genocidal” or perpetrating a genocide of any sorts. If you believe we are, I would like to hear your explanation as to how.

America is a “settler state”, though to say that our past was horrid doesn’t mean that modern America is, at least for the reasons you’re arguing. We were founded as a slavery-sympathetic state in which only male white property owners could vote and slavery was the norm in many states. That doesn’t even mention our removal and quite frankly genocide of millions of people that did happen, and that was horrible, even by 1800s societal standards. However, there’s nothing we can do about what happened hundreds of years ago other than educating people on what took place then, and if we glorify this stuff then that IS a problem. However, that doesn’t mean that modern America is worse because it did this in the 1800s and even early 1900s than it would be if we were in the exact same situation without having done that. People shouldn’t be blamed for something they had no part in.

Now, look. You shouldn’t be “constantly harassed in public”, and that’s really bad that that’s happening. Obviously I could post a trolly response like “go move somewhere else if your town is transphobic” or something but that’s not feasible, and obviously there are some parts of the country that are flawed. That doesn’t mean that the entire country is transphobic or otherwise though, and it shouldn’t be characterized as such. Like I said, there are plenty of countries that are actively ran by transphobes who try to degrade trans rights and people and some governments that are even working to kill or harm trans people and other minorities. We still have a long way to go in terms of civil rights, but we aren’t one of those countries.

In regards to your point on our actions in Asia, obviously the US military did bad stuff, and we should acknowledge that in our education system. Again, though I would argue that modern America has advanced a long way from where we were even during the Vietnam War, and it’s disingenuous to use the America of nearly half a century ago to justify your opinions on modern America. Now obviously like I said we should acknowledge that this happened in our education system and that not everything America did was good and justified, but we shouldn’t be basing our opinions of modern America on this stuff.

1. It took all that genocide to create the "great" modern country we have. We wouldn't exist without the systematic killing of american indians, and so much of our wealth would not exist had it not been for the oppression of blacks and other non-whites (including irish and italians). We wouldn't have the current demographics, we wouldn't have black culture, we wouldn't have ghettos.

America is not a non-genocidal country, its a post-genocidal country. America today is what Nazi Germany would have looked like if it won the war and got the lebensraum (aka Hitler's very own Manifest Destiny).

2. We're not "punishing" white people, we're asking them to give up the spoils of genocide they've been sitting on for generations.

James Connolly puts it best when talking about King George:

We will not blame him for the crimes of his ancestors if he relinquishes the royal rights of his ancestors; but as long as he claims their rights, by virtue of descent, then, by virtue of descent, he must shoulder the responsibility for their crimes.

3. The "whole country" doesn't need to be actively transphobic. You just need more people who don't care about trans rights and people who are actively hostile to trans rights than there are people actively pro trans rights.

4. I don't live in those countries and don't have the means to move to those countries to join their gay liberation fronts, of course im going to be more concerned with the transphobia i encounter daily than transphobia i read about in the news. That's not even considering that throughout the 2010s, "the middle east hates gay people!" was pushed by nearly every major news source, in order to dehumanize the civilian arabs, persians, and turks who were getting killed.

5. This is just plain wrong. We still hunt children for sport, the towns surrounding our military bases full of rape victims (ESPECIALLY in japan and korea), we still fund extremist groups and overthrow democratically elected leaders to replace with our own dictators, and we STILL pardon everyone involved. There's a reason every poor country on the planet hates america, and its because we've destroyed their countries for our own profits, and every time they rebuild we come back and destroy it again. The war machine has only gotten more powerful since the Vietnam War.

[An-Tanwir]

4. ehhh its a LOT more complicated than that. I adopted maoism because i realized Marxism-Leninism wasnt enough, which I adopted because I realized Anarcho-Communism wasnt enough, which I adopted because I realized Mutualism wasnt enough, which I adopted because I realized Anarcho-Capitalism wasnt enough. I got into politics in the first place because I believe wholeheartedly that the world can be better than it presently is if people stop treating the unjust actions of particular powerful individuals as facts of life to be accepted and embraced.

I became anti-american because america is anti-me. I was lucky enough to be politically conscious wrt queer rights before SCOTUS legalized gay marriage. I remember watching the news and seeing bipartisan consensus that I and my attractions were intrinsically disordered, and that I should be given fewer rights at best and be tortured with electroshock therapy at worst. Once it passed, suddenly the wind changed, and republican politicians stopped trying to repeal it, and democrats pretending they were with me the whole time. That's when I realized that liberals wouldnt free me, and I would need to work to free myself.

I regret to inform you that Maoism does not defend trans rights in any way, shape or form. Under Mao, homosexuality and trans rights were criminalized and persecuted. You would have been among the first to be interned into reeducation camps or humiliated by the fanatic Red Guards for being a "degenerate" in the Cultural Revolution.

breaking news: country where the sexual revolution didn't happen has conservative views on sexuality and gender!

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

I regret to inform you that Maoism does not defend trans rights in any way, shape or form. Under Mao, homosexuality and trans rights were criminalized and persecuted. You would have been among the first to be interned into reeducation camps or humiliated by the fanatic Red Guards for being a "degenerate" in the Cultural Revolution.

breaking news: country where the sexual revolution didn't happen has conservative views on sexuality and gender!

Interesting how you still support the ideology behind that.

[New Visayan Islands]

People, it would actually be pleasing if we can get back on track right about now.

Thanks!
NVI

[Salus Maior]

Pot calls kettle black.

[Kungsu]

Yes, let's get back on topic. So far we found out:

• Australia bad
• China bad

Aside from siding with your favorites or hating on the opposing ideology, can anyone really refute that both countries are making a mockery of themselves by trying to play the blame-game instead of acknowledging and fixing their respective issues?

[An-Tanwir]

breaking news: country where the sexual revolution didn't happen has conservative views on sexuality and gender!

Interesting how you still support the ideology behind that.

And you support the ideology behind the slave trade, global hunger, the housing crisis, apartheid, child labor, etc.

Unless of course you believe in the *general* ideology and not *every thing every liberal country has ever done*

Also, even Marxism-Leninism-Mao Zedong Thought isn't a monolithic ideology. I feel like you need to be in leftist circles to understand just how sectarian and willing to make ourselves distinct we are. I won't subject you to the genuine horror that is maoist blog discourse (holy fucking shit there are so many people who are just 100% convinced they are the sole saviors of humanity), but know that basically every maoist organization hates all the other maoist organizations over petty ideological differences.

[Adamede]

I mean it’s not like the ADF, or any military on the planet hasn’t done something like it before in their history.

Wars hell, and frankly we shouldn’t be so eager to jump too it.

[An-Tanwir]

I'd much rather have the Republic of China in charge of mainland China

The Kuomintang has committed its fair share of war crimes, after all, it was a Han nationalist movement. We just don't hear about it in the west because teaching about the crimes of your allies is an easy way to lose support for a front.

[Adamede]

I'd much rather have the Republic of China in charge of mainland China

The Kuomintang has committed its fair share of war crimes, after all, it was a Han nationalist movement. We just don't hear about it in the west because teaching about the crimes of your allies is an easy way to lose support for a front.

The Kuomintang isn’t the only party in the ROC. In fact the RoC seems to do a far better job of actual democracy than the PRC does.

[Mathuvan Union]

Yes, let's get back on topic. So far we found out:

• Australia bad
• China bad

Aside from siding with your favorites or hating on the opposing ideology, can anyone really refute that both countries are making a mockery of themselves by trying to play the blame-game instead of acknowledging and fixing their respective issues?

how is australia bad in this situation? They have committed war crimes, as have lots of countries, yet China is blatantly spreading disinformation and propaganda as 'proof' that Australia bad.

[Nilokeras]

yet China is blatantly spreading disinformation and propaganda

You're right, no country in the history of the world has ever done that.

[An-Tanwir]

The Kuomintang has committed its fair share of war crimes, after all, it was a Han nationalist movement. We just don't hear about it in the west because teaching about the crimes of your allies is an easy way to lose support for a front.

The Kuomintang isn’t the only party in the ROC.

And yet the Kuomintang was the armed nationalist wing during the Chinese Civil War, and Taiwan was a military dictatorship led by a nationalist with a cult of personality 1987. Have you heard of the Shanghai Massacre?

[Devionsa]

I’m pretty sure GHK is from the East

Their being from Hong Kong doesn't really make them incapable of being Sinophobic. Indeed, I've known many HKers refer to mainlanders as "insects" or "cretins". I believe it has much more negative connotations in Chinese.

[An-Tanwir]

Yes, let's get back on topic. So far we found out:

• Australia bad
• China bad

Aside from siding with your favorites or hating on the opposing ideology, can anyone really refute that both countries are making a mockery of themselves by trying to play the blame-game instead of acknowledging and fixing their respective issues?

how is australia bad in this situation? They have committed war crimes, as have lots of countries, yet China is blatantly spreading disinformation and propaganda as 'proof' that Australia bad.

there's no way you just said "How is australia bad? yeah they committed war crimes but china is lying". Please tell me you didn't mean that. Please tell me that I'm greatly misinterpreting your take and that you didnt just minimize the senseless slaughter of over 30 afghani civilians, and PLEASE dont tell me you just held making a propaganda photo drawing attention to the war crimes of your rivals as a worse crime than said slaughter.

[Adamede]

The Kuomintang isn’t the only party in the ROC.

And yet the Kuomintang was the armed nationalist wing during the Chinese Civil War, and Taiwan was a military dictatorship led by a nationalist with a cult of personality 1987. Have you heard of the Shanghai Massacre?

I’m well aware. Doesn’t change the modern situation any.

[Mathuvan Union]

how is australia bad in this situation? They have committed war crimes, as have lots of countries, yet China is blatantly spreading disinformation and propaganda as 'proof' that Australia bad.

there's no way you just said "How is australia bad? yeah they committed war crimes but china is lying". Please tell me you didn't mean that. Please tell me that I'm greatly misinterpreting your take and that you didnt just minimize the senseless slaughter of over 30 afghani civilians, and PLEASE dont tell me you just held making a propaganda photo drawing attention to the war crimes of your rivals as a worse crime than said slaughter.

No, in this single situation. the ADF is not to blame for this situation and they have not done anything wrong in this situation.
the ADF has caused the deaths of dozens of civilians within Afghanistan and surrounding areas, but is Australia the only to do that? No.
edit: and soldiers who have committed similar acts have been dishonourably discharged.

[An-Tanwir]

And yet the Kuomintang was the armed nationalist wing during the Chinese Civil War, and Taiwan was a military dictatorship led by a nationalist with a cult of personality 1987. Have you heard of the Shanghai Massacre?

I’m well aware. Doesn’t change the modern situation any.

The past does not affect the future? The structures of today are not built on the foundations of the past? I'd greatly disagree.

[Nakena]

I’m pretty sure GHK is from the East

Their being from Hong Kong doesn't really make them incapable of being Sinophobic. Indeed, I've known many HKers refer to mainlanders as "insects" or "cretins". I believe it has much more negative connotations in Chinese.

Not everything is racism.

Sometimes its just east coast vs west coast type beef.

[Kungsu]

The Kuomintang isn’t the only party in the ROC.

And yet the Kuomintang was the armed nationalist wing during the Chinese Civil War, and Taiwan was a military dictatorship led by a nationalist with a cult of personality 1987. Have you heard of the Shanghai Massacre?

That was, for a majority, because of the pseudo-fascist Chiang Kai-shek. Did the RoC itself still commit atrocities? Sure. But the RoC/Taiwan is starting to clean up its act where the PRC has not. One might even argue the PRC is currently a military dictatorship led by a nationalist with a cult of personality, and almost certainly was under Mao.

[Devionsa]

Another day, another china related thread by GHK. All the usual suspects here again. The thread has gone astronomically far off topic, as expected. Isn't there something the mods can do? Is any productive discussion even going to take place?

[An-Tanwir]

there's no way you just said "How is australia bad? yeah they committed war crimes but china is lying". Please tell me you didn't mean that. Please tell me that I'm greatly misinterpreting your take and that you didnt just minimize the senseless slaughter of over 30 afghani civilians, and PLEASE dont tell me you just held making a propaganda photo drawing attention to the war crimes of your rivals as a worse crime than said slaughter.

No, in this single situation. the ADF is not to blame for this situation and they have not done anything wrong in this situation.
the ADF has caused the deaths of dozens of civilians within Afghanistan and surrounding areas, but is Australia the only to do that? No.

What situation are you talking about? Bc killing three dozen civilians is definitely "doing the wrong thing in this situation".

Unless you're talking about the situation with china, which the ADF isn't even involved in. iirc from op's post, this is a twitter fight between a CCP propagandist and an Australian politician.