China posts sick image mocking ADF

[An-Tanwir]

Its "cringe" to you that getting called "fa**ot" and "tr***y" by Red Blooded American Patriots for years would make me have a bad opinion of America?

It's cringe to me when people make bad faith generalizations based on a small number of bad apples, yes.

If its "just a couple of bad apples" why has a Patriot never stepped in and defended me? Why have I been harassed by GROUPS of maga-hats? How come when I ask them to stop, EVEN MORE jump in to whine about their "free speech"? How come I've had to defend my right to exist publicly several times?

Ya know who keeps me safe from harassment and attack? It's not america lovers, its america haters. I owe this country, its military, its culture, and its flag ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

But hey, maybe you can prevent more Josies from coming about. Perhaps you could read up a little bit on trans issues and start sticking up for people in targeted community (as anti-americans tend to do), and then maybe we (trans people) wouldn't find patriots to be our enemies.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

Because it doesn't exist.If the next time the journalists and investigators bring it up again, I'll give you a bottle of water and send you to the sand pile in Xinjiang.If you can't find that damned refugee camp, don't want to leave the desert.

Lmao nice denialism. We have drone footage of Uyghurs getting shackled and even satellite images of the camps.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video ... hina-video

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... s-xinjiang

How does the video confirm that they are Uighurs? And I'm sure you don't know what the only building in the second article is, and you don't know what the people in the quoted video are doing and saying.

[Gagium]

still cringe to me

Its "cringe" to you that getting called "fa**ot" and "tr***y" by Red Blooded American Patriots for years would make me have a bad opinion of America?

We’re a “militaristic genocidal settler state that slaughters innocents for living on the wrong resources” solely because you got called slurs by transphobes (Who btw have a lot more power and influence in a lot more illiberal countries outside of the US)?

Okay. You’re pretty privileged to base your hatred on America solely because you got called slurs. Versus, you know, people overseas who have actually felt the negative end of our supposed “militaristic genocidal settler state that slaughters innocents”

[Nakena]

If its "just a couple of bad apples" why has a Patriot never stepped in and defended me? Why have I been harassed by GROUPS of maga-hats? How come when I ask them to stop, EVEN MORE jump in to whine about their "free speech"? How come I've had to defend my right to exist publicly several times?

Did that happen in RL or Internets and in which context? Was it before or after you decided to follow communism?

I am genuinely sorry for what you had to endure if this happened RL.

Ya know who keeps me safe from harassment and attack? It's not america lovers, its america haters.

How exactly and where?

But hey, maybe you can prevent more Josies from coming about.

What josies? and who is coming about?

Perhaps you could read up a little bit on trans issues and start sticking up for people in targeted community (as anti-americans tend to do), and then maybe we (trans people) wouldn't find patriots to be our enemies.

So basically you being adopting maoism and anti-americanism is not due their own merits but due your own experiences as response?

[Picairn]

If its "just a couple of bad apples" why has a Patriot never stepped in and defended me? Why have I been harassed by GROUPS of maga-hats? How come when I ask them to stop, EVEN MORE jump in to whine about their "free speech"? How come I've had to defend my right to exist publicly several times?

Just because nobody has defended you doesn't mean that the US doesn't care about you. Personal experiences can't speak for a whole nation. The Democrats have been the flag-bearer of trans rights for a while now, you know? They are actively defending your rights, whether through the media or the government.

Ya know who keeps me safe from harassment and attack? It's not america lovers, its america haters. I owe this country, its military, its culture, and its flag ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

That's sad, you will end up in a terrible fate among America hating countries. You can be stoned to death in Islamic nations, or in China your voice will entirely fall on deaf ears. No one will defend you, or your rights.

But hey, maybe you can prevent more Josies from coming about. Perhaps you could read up a little bit on trans issues and start sticking up for people in targeted community (as anti-americans tend to do), and then maybe we (trans people) wouldn't find patriots to be our enemies.

Anti-Americans won't help you. They will discard you once they are done exploiting your anti-American hatred.

[Enjuku]

OP literally said "Shame, a core component of traditional Chinese culture, doesn't seem to register in the minds of these Chinese"

The full quote is actually "Shame, a core component of traditional Chinese culture, doesn't seem to register in the minds of these Chinese, absolutist, communists who continue to govern China through fear."

He referred to the communists, not the Chinese. Don't intentionally cut quotes out of context to play the race card, thank you.

"I stand shoulder to shoulder with Australia and the Western world. CCP delenda est."

Hard to separate the anti-CCP sentiment from the blatant East vs West sinophobia.

I stand corrected by the original argument.

The bad part wasn't "the Chinese", it was saying "Shame, a core component of traditional Chinese culture" and then proceeding to culturesplain about how Chinese "absolutist" communists aren't following their own traditions. It reeks of mockery and orientalism.

It just needs to throw in some reference to dragons or a mandate of heaven and it'll reach full white man's burden tier.

[An-Tanwir]

Its "cringe" to you that getting called "fa**ot" and "tr***y" by Red Blooded American Patriots for years would make me have a bad opinion of America?

We’re a “militaristic genocidal settler state that slaughters innocents for living on the wrong resources” solely because you got called slurs by transphobes (Who btw have a lot more power and influence in a lot more illiberal countries outside of the US)?

Okay. You’re pretty privileged to base your hatred on America solely because you got called slurs. Versus, you know, people overseas who have actually felt the negative end of our supposed “militaristic genocidal settler state that slaughters innocents”

What? no, we're militaristic because the military makes up the majority of our budget and we shut down all criticism of the military.
We're genocidal because we send that military all across the globe and slaughter the natives.
We're a settler state because we forcibly removed (a term that REALLY doesnt capture the horror) millions of people from their homes and lands to give it to settlers.

I'm lucky enough to not have been the victim of a violent hate crime yet, but to say that constant harassment in public is "privilege" is intentionally malicious. And for the record, it is not up to you do decide if my struggle is valid. I don't even know you, and even if I did, you physically cannot experience my experiences (for obvious reasons).

[Okay. You’re pretty privileged to base your hatred on America solely because you got called slurs. Versus, you know, people overseas who have actually felt the negative end of our supposed “militaristic genocidal settler state that slaughters innocents”]
Please read the full quote, idk how you missed this:

I'm told at least twice a year but nearly always more to "remember our brave Vietnam vets", but where are the Americans weeping for the Vietnamese? The Cambodians? The Lao? The Koreans? When was the last time you've even HEARD of the bombings of Laos and Cambodia? Why am I supposed to feel bad for the people who carried out those atrocities, but not for their victims? How could I even care if I tried?

[Enjuku]

Fun fact: you don't need to be white to say racist or xenophobic things.

Also, saying they're from the "East"? That's cringe.

Ofc you don’t need to be white to be racist, plenty of Han Chinese think of Uyghurs as nothing but robbers and terrorists, and the government supports that

Anyway,

so you agree that OP's post can be sinophobic, even if he's from "the East". Glad we agree on that at least.

[Daneel]

Truth and politics are rarely bedfellows. The part-time Chinese government propaganda artist who designed this piece of "art" to stir up domestic anti-Australia sentiment within China, because of a spat going on between these two governments, is doing his political thing...

And the Australian government is doing its political thing of going through the motions of investigating itself, after this cancerous culture within parts of the special operation group, within the Australian Defence Force, finally got exposed by whistleblowers within special forces and Australian media (because being seen to do something is the only thing it can do to respond to such an event - given as a democracy, they can't just ignore or suppress it as China could and does).

"All sound and fury..."

That certain elements within special forces were blatantly committing violations of the laws of armed conflict (war crimes) and these were being tacitly covered up or glossed over in a systemic way for a long period of time by those with a responsibility to prevent such practices is a major cause for concern (unfortunately a lot of the focus is on blaming soldiers and not the officers who condoned or looked the other way).

That said, we should not tar the innocent with the crimes of the guilty, especially since it was also members of the SAS and the Commandos who blew the whistle repeatedly until this finally escaped all the whitewashing. But as for China sticking it up Australia for this, well even though they are hypocrites here, we gave them the free shot so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Jingoistic flag waving doesn't change the fact that we did wrong, and while I'd like to think that the war crimes investigations won't peter out as soon as the media loses interest, it won't surprise me one bit if it did. It is politics after all.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

It's cringe to me when people make bad faith generalizations based on a small number of bad apples, yes.

If its "just a couple of bad apples" why has a Patriot never stepped in and defended me? Why have I been harassed by GROUPS of maga-hats? How come when I ask them to stop, EVEN MORE jump in to whine about their "free speech"? How come I've had to defend my right to exist publicly several times?

Ya know who keeps me safe from harassment and attack? It's not america lovers, its america haters. I owe this country, its military, its culture, and its flag ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

But hey, maybe you can prevent more Josies from coming about. Perhaps you could read up a little bit on trans issues and start sticking up for people in targeted community (as anti-americans tend to do), and then maybe we (trans people) wouldn't find patriots to be our enemies.

Whilst I am deeply sorry to read about your experiences, that is not a justification to embrace Maoism, of all things .

[Kexholm Karelia]

Ofc you don’t need to be white to be racist, plenty of Han Chinese think of Uyghurs as nothing but robbers and terrorists, and the government supports that

Anyway,

so you agree that OP's post can be sinophobic, even if he's from "the East". Glad we agree on that at least.

I think he’s from Hong Kong so many people are sinophobic there, while racism is never justified, I can at least understand why Hongkongers are so rabidly sinophobic

[Stylan]

CAN WE STOP TALKING ABOUT CHINA HOLY SHIT PLEASE CAN WE HAVE A DIFFERENT THREAD FOR ONCE OMGOIJKTKRJKRKLEJGKLFDJKGLJDKLJGLKDFKGJDFKJGKFDJGDFKJGDFK

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

The Australian Special forces doing war crimes is really shitty.

China posting that image is just normal for China. What do you expect from China? This is just the PRC doing PRC things.

Warcrimes are the bigger issue here beacuse you know, warcrimes.

[Kexholm Karelia]

CAN WE STOP TALKING ABOUT CHINA HOLY SHIT PLEASE CAN WE HAVE A DIFFERENT THREAD FOR ONCE OMGOIJKTKRJKRKLEJGKLFDJKGLJDKLJGLKDFKGJDFKJGKFDJGDFKJGDFK

China is the number one threat to human rights worldwide right now, the more people talk about it, the more it helps

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

CAN WE STOP TALKING ABOUT CHINA HOLY SHIT PLEASE CAN WE HAVE A DIFFERENT THREAD FOR ONCE OMGOIJKTKRJKRKLEJGKLFDJKGLJDKLJGLKDFKGJDFKJGKFDJGDFKJGDFK

You could always, like, not post...?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

CAN WE STOP TALKING ABOUT CHINA HOLY SHIT PLEASE CAN WE HAVE A DIFFERENT THREAD FOR ONCE OMGOIJKTKRJKRKLEJGKLFDJKGLJDKLJGLKDFKGJDFKJGKFDJGDFKJGDFK

China is the number one threat to human rights worldwide right now, the more people talk about it, the more it helps

Tell that to the 39 Afghan people Australia murdered.

I'm sure those people in heaven would love to know how much of a big bad wolf China is after they where killed by Australia.

If its "just a couple of bad apples" why has a Patriot never stepped in and defended me? Why have I been harassed by GROUPS of maga-hats? How come when I ask them to stop, EVEN MORE jump in to whine about their "free speech"? How come I've had to defend my right to exist publicly several times?

Ya know who keeps me safe from harassment and attack? It's not america lovers, its america haters. I owe this country, its military, its culture, and its flag ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

But hey, maybe you can prevent more Josies from coming about. Perhaps you could read up a little bit on trans issues and start sticking up for people in targeted community (as anti-americans tend to do), and then maybe we (trans people) wouldn't find patriots to be our enemies.

Whilst I am deeply sorry to read about your experiences, that is not a justification to embrace Maoism, of all things .

Fun fact: Shiting on the PRC and being against warcrimes are not mutually exclusive.

The PRC does shity things and so did Australia when they killed those civvies.

[Kungsu]

The full quote is actually "Shame, a core component of traditional Chinese culture, doesn't seem to register in the minds of these Chinese, absolutist, communists who continue to govern China through fear."

He referred to the communists, not the Chinese. Don't intentionally cut quotes out of context to play the race card, thank you.


I stand corrected by the original argument.

The bad part wasn't "the Chinese", it was saying "Shame, a core component of traditional Chinese culture" and then proceeding to culturesplain about how Chinese "absolutist" communists aren't following their own traditions. It reeks of mockery and orientalism.

It just needs to throw in some reference to dragons or a mandate of heaven and it'll reach full white man's burden tier.

This. My NS is based, in part, on the Chinese Indonesians. I have done hours upon hours of research into the history, culture, language, etc. and would still not claim to understand or know enough about their culture to make such statements. I know my understanding is inadequate. Unless you get a degree in the field or have a large amount of personal experience and first hand knowledge, it's best you don't go around pretending to know about a culture's traditions and values.

It's almost as bad as people who "understand Japanese culture" because they've watched inordinate amounts of anime.
Almost.

[Enjuku]

Anyway,

so you agree that OP's post can be sinophobic, even if he's from "the East". Glad we agree on that at least.

I think he’s from Hong Kong so many people are sinophobic there, while racism is never justified, I can at least understand why Hongkongers are so rabidly sinophobic

To be clear, there's nothing inherently wrong with being anti-CCP. Hong Kongers are justified to hate a government that oppresses them.

Where the line is drawn is making arguments and accusations that blur the line between being Chinese, and being the CCP. To the outside eye, when these lines are blurred, bigotry occurs. The most recent example of this is how President Trump called COVID "China virus", which directly led to a spike in hate crime against AAPI people. You didn't even need to be Chinese or pro-CCP. Random Asian Americans who "looked Chinese" were targeted and blamed for COVID in America. All because the line was blurred between China and the CCP. By not distinguishing between the two.

So forgive me if I see questionable language that dilutes the point about the CCP committing crimes against humanity. It reminds me that non-Asians are easily triggered by CCP content and make logical jumps from "the CCP is bad" to "China / Chinese people are bad".

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

Fun fact: Shiting on the PRC and being against warcrimes are not mutually exclusive.

The PRC does shity things and so did Australia when they killed those civvies.

Yeah of course.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

Truth and politics are rarely bedfellows. The part-time Chinese government propaganda artist who designed this piece of "art" to stir up domestic anti-Australia sentiment within China, because of a spat going on between these two governments, is doing his political thing...

No, he's just a game illustrator,a freelance workers.There were only a few thousand fans last week.So Zhao should also be a game enthusiast that he can find this painting.

[Picairn]

How does the video confirm that they are Uighurs?

"Nathan Ruser, a researcher with the Australian Strategic Policy Institute’s international cyber policy centre, used clues in the footage, including landmarks and the position of the sun, to verify the video, which he believes was shot at a train station west of Korla in south-east Xinjiang in August last year."

Furthermore, look at the police officers' uniforms. They have Chinese letters with the word SWAT. Pretty clear evidence that they are Chinese special police force. What is the Chinese special police force doing, hauling and shackling people like dogs into trains?

And I'm sure you don't know what the only building in the second article is, and you don't know what the people in the quoted video are doing and saying.

Why are you continuing to deny genocide? Here's a nice little Vox video to guide you through the images. https://youtu.be/cMkHcZ5IwjU

[Gagium]

We’re a “militaristic genocidal settler state that slaughters innocents for living on the wrong resources” solely because you got called slurs by transphobes (Who btw have a lot more power and influence in a lot more illiberal countries outside of the US)?

Okay. You’re pretty privileged to base your hatred on America solely because you got called slurs. Versus, you know, people overseas who have actually felt the negative end of our supposed “militaristic genocidal settler state that slaughters innocents”

What? no, we're militaristic because the military makes up the majority of our budget and we shut down all criticism of the military.
We're genocidal because we send that military all across the globe and slaughter the natives.
We're a settler state because we forcibly removed (a term that REALLY doesnt capture the horror) millions of people from their homes and lands to give it to settlers.

I'm lucky enough to not have been the victim of a violent hate crime yet, but to say that constant harassment in public is "privilege" is intentionally malicious. And for the record, it is not up to you do decide if my struggle is valid. I don't even know you, and even if I did, you physically cannot experience my experiences (for obvious reasons).

[Okay. You’re pretty privileged to base your hatred on America solely because you got called slurs. Versus, you know, people overseas who have actually felt the negative end of our supposed “militaristic genocidal settler state that slaughters innocents”]
Please read the full quote, idk how you missed this:

I'm told at least twice a year but nearly always more to "remember our brave Vietnam vets", but where are the Americans weeping for the Vietnamese? The Cambodians? The Lao? The Koreans? When was the last time you've even HEARD of the bombings of Laos and Cambodia? Why am I supposed to feel bad for the people who carried out those atrocities, but not for their victims? How could I even care if I tried?

You have fair points regarding our country, and again I agree that it’s bad enough that we have ANY transphobes in our country instead of a few, but America is still a lot better than many countries in the world, especially regarding civil rights (for all of our flaws).

America, or at least the American government, is militaristic, and we still tend to have media that will support the military in any circumstance. Our military budget is too high and that shouldn’t be that way. However, it’s not like our military goes overseas with the sole goal of genociding millions and plundering resources. As flawed as some of the military’s actions may be, characterizing “militaristic” as something on par with “genocidal” is disingenuous. I don’t think it’s fair to say we shut down all criticism of our military, either.

There was a point where America could fairly be called genocidal, perhaps even up until a few decades ago depending on your definition of genocide, but I would like to disagree in that modern America is actively “genocidal” or perpetrating a genocide of any sorts. If you believe we are, I would like to hear your explanation as to how.

America is a “settler state”, though to say that our past was horrid doesn’t mean that modern America is, at least for the reasons you’re arguing. We were founded as a slavery-sympathetic state in which only male white property owners could vote and slavery was the norm in many states. That doesn’t even mention our removal and quite frankly genocide of millions of people that did happen, and that was horrible, even by 1800s societal standards. However, there’s nothing we can do about what happened hundreds of years ago other than educating people on what took place then, and if we glorify this stuff then that IS a problem. However, that doesn’t mean that modern America is worse because it did this in the 1800s and even early 1900s than it would be if we were in the exact same situation without having done that. People shouldn’t be blamed for something they had no part in.

Now, look. You shouldn’t be “constantly harassed in public”, and that’s really bad that that’s happening. Obviously I could post a trolly response like “go move somewhere else if your town is transphobic” or something but that’s not feasible, and obviously there are some parts of the country that are flawed. That doesn’t mean that the entire country is transphobic or otherwise though, and it shouldn’t be characterized as such. Like I said, there are plenty of countries that are actively ran by transphobes who try to degrade trans rights and people and some governments that are even working to kill or harm trans people and other minorities. We still have a long way to go in terms of civil rights, but we aren’t one of those countries.

In regards to your point on our actions in Asia, obviously the US military did bad stuff, and we should acknowledge that in our education system. Again, though I would argue that modern America has advanced a long way from where we were even during the Vietnam War, and it’s disingenuous to use the America of nearly half a century ago to justify your opinions on modern America. Now obviously like I said we should acknowledge that this happened in our education system and that not everything America did was good and justified, but we shouldn’t be basing our opinions of modern America on this stuff.

[Enjuku]

The bad part wasn't "the Chinese", it was saying "Shame, a core component of traditional Chinese culture" and then proceeding to culturesplain about how Chinese "absolutist" communists aren't following their own traditions. It reeks of mockery and orientalism.

It just needs to throw in some reference to dragons or a mandate of heaven and it'll reach full white man's burden tier.

This. My NS is based, in part, on the Chinese Indonesians. I have done hours upon hours of research into the history, culture, language, etc. and would still not claim to understand or know enough about their culture to make such statements. I know my understanding is inadequate. Unless you get a degree in the field or have a large amount of personal experience and first hand knowledge, it's best you don't go around pretending to know about a culture's traditions and values.

It's almost as bad as people who "understand Japanese culture" because they've watched inordinate amounts of anime.
Almost.

Big props to doing that research! Cultural sensitivity is a learned skill.

As for those who "understand Japanese culture" from anime...

Weebs going into Japanese restaurants and speaking full-speed anime at the servers should be a war crime.

[An-Tanwir]

If its "just a couple of bad apples" why has a Patriot never stepped in and defended me? Why have I been harassed by GROUPS of maga-hats? How come when I ask them to stop, EVEN MORE jump in to whine about their "free speech"? How come I've had to defend my right to exist publicly several times?

Did that happen in RL or Internets and in which context? Was it before or after you decided to follow communism?

I am genuinely sorry for what you had to endure if this happened RL.

Ya know who keeps me safe from harassment and attack? It's not america lovers, its america haters.

How exactly and where?

But hey, maybe you can prevent more Josies from coming about.

What josies? and who is coming about?

Perhaps you could read up a little bit on trans issues and start sticking up for people in targeted community (as anti-americans tend to do), and then maybe we (trans people) wouldn't find patriots to be our enemies.

So basically you being adopting maoism and anti-americanism is not due their own merits but due your own experiences as response?

1. Real life, 2 days a week (my school has a hybrid schedule). The context is usually a teacher calling me "she" (which draws a whole lot of Um Ackshuallys) and/or I do a bad job of masking my voice when I answer questions (I usually get "this is why you can't change genders, you'll always look and sound like a guy, of course in teenage conservative language). And the implication that I deserve transphobic harassment for being a communist is pretty disgusting.

2. I really dont want to tell the story of all this shit, considering it's 1. a lot, 2. off topic, and 3. not events that I wish to remember in any sort of detail. I will say that of the 4 separate people who have put themselves physically between me and someone harassing me, three were anarchists and one was a black nationalist.

3. I'm Josie, I meant that active rehabilitation of culture and ridding patriot culture of transphobia would probably prevent people like me from becoming anti-americans.

4. ehhh its a LOT more complicated than that. I adopted maoism because i realized Marxism-Leninism wasnt enough, which I adopted because I realized Anarcho-Communism wasnt enough, which I adopted because I realized Mutualism wasnt enough, which I adopted because I realized Anarcho-Capitalism wasnt enough. I got into politics in the first place because I believe wholeheartedly that the world can be better than it presently is if people stop treating the unjust actions of particular powerful individuals as facts of life to be accepted and embraced.

I became anti-american because america is anti-me. I was lucky enough to be politically conscious wrt queer rights before SCOTUS legalized gay marriage. I remember watching the news and seeing bipartisan consensus that I and my attractions were intrinsically disordered, and that I should be given fewer rights at best and be tortured with electroshock therapy at worst. Once it passed, suddenly the wind changed, and republican politicians stopped trying to repeal it, and democrats pretending they were with me the whole time. That's when I realized that liberals wouldnt free me, and I would need to work to free myself.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Just to clarify my stance here: I hold no love for the PRC.

Little to no gay rights, worlds number one polluter, genocide of Muslim people, gassing Hong Kong protesters, fucking workers rights, low worker pay, lying to the world about how deadly COVID is and, the list goes on.

That of course doesn't mean I hate the people of PRC. They are just as human as anyone else and not responsible for the action of there very shitty government.

I'd much rather have the Republic of China in charge of mainland China, but it wouldn't be worth WW3 to do so.

With that all said, Australia did a real shitty thing killing 39 Afghan people. War crimes are evil.