China posts sick image mocking ADF

[Picairn]

I live in america, but my culture is not american. My culture is Queer. That's what happens when you utilize the American flag and patriotic imagery for the purposes of dehumanizing POC and queer people. We tend to feel alienated from your culture and feel that it is hostile (a justified feeling).

Cringe.

[An-Tanwir]

I don't really see the importance of being non-hypocritical in this scenario. The more war crimes publicized, the better. Ensuring consistency in other countries isn't really the most important thing here.

Great, so why don't you tell China to let journalists and investigators into the camps?

I didn't realize I had that much influence in the National People's Congress.

[Nakena]

Deng wasnt a fascist.

I think the violent repression of communists and the reestablishing of settler relations would disagree.

No. He may be a revisionist or so.

But fascism is an ideology of its own. It has its own ideological and metaphysical principles and as well weltanschauung.

[Atheris]

I will not uphold a militaristic genocidal settler state that slaughters innocents for living on the wrong resources. That state is an atrocity, and it deserves to be relegated to the museum of history along with the British Empire, Spanish Empire, Portuguese Empire, Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Imperial Japan.

And then you... uphold a militaristic genocidal settler state that slaughters innocents for living on the wrong resources.

The false equivalence is strong with this one.

[An-Tanwir]

I live in america, but my culture is not american. My culture is Queer. That's what happens when you utilize the American flag and patriotic imagery for the purposes of dehumanizing POC and queer people. We tend to feel alienated from your culture and feel that it is hostile (a justified feeling).

Cringe.

This is an INCREDIBLY bad look chief.

[Picairn]

I didn't realize I had that much influence in the National People's Congress.

Shouldn't deter you from trying.

This is an INCREDIBLY bad look chief.

still cringe to me

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

I think the violent repression of communists and the reestablishing of settler relations would disagree.

No. He may be a revisionist or so.

But fascism is an ideology of its own. It has its own ideological and metaphysical principles and as well weltanschauung.

On top of that, fascism is the idea of returning to an imagined glorious past by means of corporatism, state oppression and violent persecution. Whilst the CCP do these things, the intent is not in line with fascism.

If anything, judging by the Cultural Revolution, the CCP tried everything in their power to destroy their past.

[Enjuku]

Another anti-China thread? Yawn.

If Australia didn't perform war crimes, it wouldn't get mocked on Twitter. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

This is also hardly a reason to push sinophobia. A CCP official tweeting a caricature doesn't suddenly mean the West is under attack or China must be destroyed for being some illiberal hellhole. Jfc.

Anti-CCP sentiment is not Sinophobia. Your race card is getting worn out rather quickly.

OP literally said "Shame, a core component of traditional Chinese culture, doesn't seem to register in the minds of these Chinese"

"I stand shoulder to shoulder with Australia and the Western world. CCP delenda est."

Hard to separate the anti-CCP sentiment from the blatant East vs West sinophobia.

[Atheris]

No. He may be a revisionist or so.

But fascism is an ideology of its own. It has its own ideological and metaphysical principles and as well weltanschauung.

On top of that, fascism is the idea of returning to an imagined glorious past by means of corporatism, state oppression and violent persecution. Whilst the CCP do these things, the intent is not in line with fascism.

If anything, judging by the Cultural Revolution, the CCP tried everything in their power to destroy their past.

I will say that, from my eyes, the PRC fits the definition of a fascist state, but this was not because of Deng Xiaoping. I believe this was primarily caused by his successors, notably Jiang Zemin and Xi Jinping.

[An-Tanwir]

I will not uphold a militaristic genocidal settler state that slaughters innocents for living on the wrong resources. That state is an atrocity, and it deserves to be relegated to the museum of history along with the British Empire, Spanish Empire, Portuguese Empire, Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Imperial Japan.

And then you... uphold a militaristic genocidal settler state that slaughters innocents for living on the wrong resources.

The false equivalence is strong with this one.

Have you read my posts?

iirc, this is a thread about China calling out Australian war crimes, not about Xinjiang. I'm not ignoring anything, just staying on topic.

Also, when did I ever say China was communist? There was a literal military coup that replaced the communists with fascists (like Deng Xiaoping). Whether or not China is socialist (or even good) is completely irrelevant to my desire for the imperial american war machine to collapse, and these kinds of accusations, true or not, always preclude american occupation and the committing of even more war crimes. I'm not Pro-China, I'm Anti-America.

I don't live in china and me convincing other americans that china is bad wont change CCP policy. Convincing other americans that this country is bad has a chance of eventually turning into a larger movement against america.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

On top of that, fascism is the idea of returning to an imagined glorious past by means of corporatism, state oppression and violent persecution. Whilst the CCP do these things, the intent is not in line with fascism.

If anything, judging by the Cultural Revolution, the CCP tried everything in their power to destroy their past.

I will say that, from my eyes, the PRC fits the definition of a fascist state, but this was not because of Deng Xiaoping. I believe this was primarily caused by his successors, notably Jiang Zemin and Xi Jinping.

Why is it fascist, though? Just curious because it is a term thrown around all too often.

[An-Tanwir]

If anything, judging by the Cultural Revolution, the CCP tried everything in their power to destroy their past.

You're forgetting about the military coup that followed the cultural revolution, overthrowing its leaders and running over its supporters with tanks.

The CCP in the Mao era and in the Deng era are diametrically opposed.

[Atheris]

I will say that, from my eyes, the PRC fits the definition of a fascist state, but this was not because of Deng Xiaoping. I believe this was primarily caused by his successors, notably Jiang Zemin and Xi Jinping.

Why is it fascist, though? Just curious because it is a term thrown around all too often.

Easy enough to answer.

The CCP supports many of the main tenets of fascism; that is, anti-capitalism, anti-religion, anti-westernism, corporatism, nationalism, militarism, and state oppression. This is further exacerbated by the push for "eradicating foreign enemies" (that is, the Uyghurs and Tibetans primarily) that isn't necessarily a core tenet of fascism but has been operated in numerous fascist states over the years (with notable exceptions, might I add, such as Bulgaria and its refusal to expatriate Jews to Germany). The only tenets I don't see the CCP actively pushing are masculinity and the "ideal man" and the traditional societal roles of women like Italy and Germany did.

[An-Tanwir]

This is an INCREDIBLY bad look chief.

still cringe to me

Its "cringe" to you that getting called "fa**ot" and "tr***y" by Red Blooded American Patriots for years would make me have a bad opinion of America?

[An-Tanwir]

Why is it fascist, though? Just curious because it is a term thrown around all too often.

Easy enough to answer.

The CCP supports many of the main tenets of fascism; that is, anti-capitalism, anti-religion, anti-westernism, corporatism, nationalism, militarism, and state oppression. This is further exacerbated by the push for "eradicating foreign enemies" (that is, the Uyghurs and Tibetans primarily) that isn't necessarily a core tenet of fascism but has been operated in numerous fascist states over the years (with notable exceptions, might I add, such as Bulgaria and its refusal to expatriate Jews to Germany). The only tenets I don't see the CCP actively pushing are masculinity and the "ideal man" and the traditional societal roles of women like Italy and Germany did.

How was Nazi Germany anti-western exactly? Im surely missing something.

[Nakena]

No. He may be a revisionist or so.

But fascism is an ideology of its own. It has its own ideological and metaphysical principles and as well weltanschauung.

On top of that, fascism is the idea of returning to an imagined glorious past by means of corporatism, state oppression and violent persecution. Whilst the CCP do these things, the intent is not in line with fascism.

If anything, judging by the Cultural Revolution, the CCP tried everything in their power to destroy their past.

Pretty much.

I got almost brainwashed into fascism or even nazism so I know what it is like.

I will say that, from my eyes, the PRC fits the definition of a fascist state, but this was not because of Deng Xiaoping. I believe this was primarily caused by his successors, notably Jiang Zemin and Xi Jinping.

Why is it fascist, though? Just curious because it is a term thrown around all too often.

Very much this.

The Golden Dawn is fascist. For example. Its an specific spectrum of ideology. Just doing thing X doesnt makes one fascist. The CCP and the PRC are still entities that operate on an argueably revisionist interpretation of marxist-leninism, or as they call it Socialism with Chinese Characteristics.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

You're forgetting about the military coup that followed the cultural revolution, overthrowing its leaders and running over its supporters with tanks.

The CCP in the Mao era and in the Deng era are diametrically opposed.

In fairness I am more familiar with Mao's era than Deng's. I do know that Deng undid what Mao did and put the Gang of Four to death.

Oh and the Open Door Policy which is very not socialist.

[Nakena]

Easy enough to answer.

The CCP supports many of the main tenets of fascism; that is, anti-capitalism, anti-religion, anti-westernism, corporatism, nationalism, militarism, and state oppression. This is further exacerbated by the push for "eradicating foreign enemies" (that is, the Uyghurs and Tibetans primarily) that isn't necessarily a core tenet of fascism but has been operated in numerous fascist states over the years (with notable exceptions, might I add, such as Bulgaria and its refusal to expatriate Jews to Germany). The only tenets I don't see the CCP actively pushing are masculinity and the "ideal man" and the traditional societal roles of women like Italy and Germany did.

How was Nazi Germany anti-western exactly? Im surely missing something.

While I don't agree with Atheris definition of fascism, Nazi-Germany was throughly "anti-western" in the sense that it was following an ideology, worldview and metaphysical ethos diametrically opposed to western liberalism. Of course being a formerly western influenced nation, the transformation and adoption of this ethos wasn't entirely nor coherent.

This didn prevented the US later to incorporate a few of its aspects into its state security organs. But thats another story.

[Atheris]

Easy enough to answer.

The CCP supports many of the main tenets of fascism; that is, anti-capitalism, anti-religion, anti-westernism, corporatism, nationalism, militarism, and state oppression. This is further exacerbated by the push for "eradicating foreign enemies" (that is, the Uyghurs and Tibetans primarily) that isn't necessarily a core tenet of fascism but has been operated in numerous fascist states over the years (with notable exceptions, might I add, such as Bulgaria and its refusal to expatriate Jews to Germany). The only tenets I don't see the CCP actively pushing are masculinity and the "ideal man" and the traditional societal roles of women like Italy and Germany did.

How was Nazi Germany anti-western exactly? Im surely missing something.

They directly opposed capitalism and western democracy. Nazi Germany constantly called WW2 "a war against not just Jewish capitalism, but capitalism in general" and many times directly insulted the democratic traditions of France, the UK, and America.

That being said, Nazi ideology wasn't against the people of the west, but the style of government they followed. Hitler commonly said that Britain could be a great ally if they "shake off their Jewish influence" (i.e. capitalism and democracy).

[Picairn]

Its "cringe" to you that getting called "fa**ot" and "tr***y" by Red Blooded American Patriots for years would make me have a bad opinion of America?

It's cringe to me when people make bad faith generalizations based on a small number of bad apples, yes.

[Kexholm Karelia]

Anti-CCP sentiment is not Sinophobia. Your race card is getting worn out rather quickly.

OP literally said "Shame, a core component of traditional Chinese culture, doesn't seem to register in the minds of these Chinese"

"I stand shoulder to shoulder with Australia and the Western world. CCP delenda est."

Hard to separate the anti-CCP sentiment from the blatant East vs West sinophobia.

I’m pretty sure GHK is from the East

[Enjuku]

OP literally said "Shame, a core component of traditional Chinese culture, doesn't seem to register in the minds of these Chinese"

"I stand shoulder to shoulder with Australia and the Western world. CCP delenda est."

Hard to separate the anti-CCP sentiment from the blatant East vs West sinophobia.

I’m pretty sure GHK is from the East

Fun fact: you don't need to be white to say racist or xenophobic things.

Also, saying they're from the "East"? That's cringe.

[Picairn]

OP literally said "Shame, a core component of traditional Chinese culture, doesn't seem to register in the minds of these Chinese"

The full quote is actually "Shame, a core component of traditional Chinese culture, doesn't seem to register in the minds of these Chinese, absolutist, communists who continue to govern China through fear."

He referred to the communists, not the Chinese. Don't intentionally cut quotes out of context to play the race card, thank you.

"I stand shoulder to shoulder with Australia and the Western world. CCP delenda est."

Hard to separate the anti-CCP sentiment from the blatant East vs West sinophobia.

I stand corrected by the original argument.

[Kungsu]

What's with all this defending one nation by accusing another? Can we not all agree that Australian civilian murder and a bunch of actions committed by the CCP are disgusting? Are these mutually exclusive? Because I'm not on either side here. China's "high horse" it built by trying to point fingers at Australia is laughable, but the retaliation of "Yeah, but you guys are worse." is equally terrible. Both countries need to sort their crap out and stop trying to play the blame-game to make their country look better than it actually is. It's also not exclusive to China/Australia, but these are the nations at hand.

[Kexholm Karelia]

I’m pretty sure GHK is from the East

Fun fact: you don't need to be white to say racist or xenophobic things.

Also, saying they're from the "East"? That's cringe.

Ofc you don’t need to be white to be racist, plenty of Han Chinese think of Uyghurs as nothing but robbers and terrorists, and the government supports that