China posts sick image mocking ADF

[Eukaryotic Cells]

Minor diplomatic squabble. Seems pretty part and parcel for propaganda from communist states. The West is supposedly morally superior and in a position to lecture other countries, so when they do something wrong these regimes love to twist the knife.

[An-Tanwir]

China...is being hypocritical as hell calling people out gor crimes against humanity

I don't really see the importance of being non-hypocritical in this scenario. The more war crimes publicized, the better. Ensuring consistency in other countries isn't really the most important thing here.

[An-Tanwir]

The aborigines need to wake the fuck up and realize that settlers aren't their friends, and are in fact the most dangerous enemy.

Nobody (outside the anglosphere) has forgotten the continuing genocide Australia is built on.

Ironic, considering China is doing the same thing.

Have fun telling that to the families of the civilians. "Sorry, we would publicize your case and fight for justice, but the guy who exposed it was no angel!"

[Borderlands of Rojava]

The best thing about the whole thing is it's focussing further attention on what Australia is keenly aware of: China's campaign to get us to drop the covid investigation.

36 war crimes is bad. At least we're investigating and SAS member will be punished.

Drinking from a dead man's prosthetic leg is gross, but I must admit I found it a bit funny. And I've never been as bothered by soldiers disrespecting dead bodies as I'm supposed to be. There's literally no harm done to any person, unless it leaks out, when it offends relatives and comrades of the dead soldier. If this hadn't got out, it wouldn't be a problem. It's a super-shoey!

Yeah, it's good that world attention is focussed on it. Australia will look pretty good actually doing something about its soldiers committing war crimes. I hope the US in particular will be spurred to look into the no-doubt far greater number of war crimes committed by their troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

No, I'm not going to get into tit-for-tat and talk about the daily human rights abuses in China. Because this isn't about that. Zhao is trying to distract attention from the actually rather massive trade persecution the CCP has been imposing on it's long time honest trading partner Australia. Using every inspection and paperwork trick in the book to impose total blocks on some high-value products, which would be totally illegal under WTO if done openly.

Why? It's not because our troops killed 36 Afghans illegally. It's because covid-19 has killed 1.5 million innocent people around the world and is no way finished yet. The CCP doesn't want the world to know how exactly that started. The CCP doesn't want you to know either.

1. China doesn't need to pressure anybody to call off the Covid investigation because we've known the outbreak didn't originate in Wuhan for months now. Wuhan was just the first city to sound the alarm. And if you remember correctly, the CCP was heavily criticized in the media for the lockdown of the city, which undeniably saved way more lives than waiting for the problem to get bigger (as the west did, and America is continuing to do). It's conspiracy theories like this that get civilians killed (cough cough, muh Iraqi WMDs!!!! muh incubator babies!!!)

2. "There's literally no harm done to any person, unless it leaks out, when it offends relatives and comrades of the dead soldier. If this hadn't got out, it wouldn't be a problem. It's a super-shoey!" You're so right, white invaders should have the right to do whatever they want with the dead bodies, and people in the countries they invade don't have the right to bury their family members desecrated, and because of that we NEED to shut down any exposure of war crimes. It might make the families sad

3. "Zhao is trying to distract attention from the actually rather massive trade persecution the CCP has been imposing on it's long time honest trading partner Australia. Using every inspection and paperwork trick in the book to impose total blocks on some high-value products, which would be totally illegal under WTO if done openly." This is very obviously a deflect from the *real* crime at hand, the slaughter of Afghani civilians by an invading and occupying (for multiple decades) army. I don't know how you can read about war crimes and then make such a big stink over trade between two first world countries.

You gonna ignore all those Muslims in labor camps in China or what china's been doing in Hong Kong? Cause while you make excuses for China covering up a virus for months, leading surely to countless preventable deaths, I'd like to see you try to make the case for why Australia and "white invaders" (that's kind of a racist term) are worse than a government that has a track record of mass murdering millions and sending opponents to "re-education camps."

Also they're not even communist. They're a free trade loving, imperialist capitalist government that maintains oppressive authoritarianism.

[Picairn]

I don't really see the importance of being non-hypocritical in this scenario. The more war crimes publicized, the better. Ensuring consistency in other countries isn't really the most important thing here.

Great, so why don't you tell China to let journalists and investigators into the camps?

[Dogmeat]

Australia followed the United States into Afghanistan like a prostitute, so be prepared to be ridiculed.

This is a really stupid insult. I mean, I get the idea. You wanted to say that they were a lackey, or somesuch. But also wanted to deride them further, and "lackey" just wasn't cutting it.

But now I'm filled with admiration for prostitutes, who - in addition to their normal duties - apparently follow men into battle as well. Handing out spare magazines and laying down suppressing fire between blowjobs.

[Atheris]

Ironic, considering China is doing the same thing.

Have fun telling that to the families of the civilians. "Sorry, we would publicize your case and fight for justice, but the guy who exposed it was no angel!"

Hey, I'm not going that far. I'm just saying it's a bit hypocritical to call out Australia for committing genocide (which I haven't seen a proper source for) when China is committing a pseudo-Holocaust against the Mongolians, Tibetans, Manchu, and especially Uyghurs.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Ironic, considering China is doing the same thing.

Have fun telling that to the families of the civilians. "Sorry, we would publicize your case and fight for justice, but the guy who exposed it was no angel!"

That isn't the point he's making. We all know Australia has blood on its hands, but Jesus christ China is far worse. Its a false equivalency. In one country you won't surely be sent to a gulag for criticizing the government and that is Australia. One country isn't putting entire ethnic groups in camps and that is Australia. One country isnt brutalizing the people of Hong Kong and that is Australia. The PRC is one of the most totalitarian countries on earth and whatever happens in Australia isn't comparable to what happens in China.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

China...is being hypocritical as hell calling people out gor crimes against humanity

I don't really see the importance of being non-hypocritical in this scenario. The more war crimes publicized, the better. Ensuring consistency in other countries isn't really the most important thing here.

Because they aren't doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. We're talking about a country where mentioning the Tiananman Square massacre is illegal. They just want to undermine America and friends. They're not interested in "human rights."

[Eukaryotic Cells]

I don't really see the importance of being non-hypocritical in this scenario. The more war crimes publicized, the better. Ensuring consistency in other countries isn't really the most important thing here.

Because they aren't doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. We're talking about a country where mentioning the Tiananman Square massacre is illegal. They just want to undermine America and friends. They're not interested in "human rights."

It's basically an appeal to hypocrisy. "How can the West lecture us about human rights when they commit war crimes?"

The Soviet Union and Nazi Germany utilized these rhetorical tactics as well.

[Atheris]

Australia followed the United States into Afghanistan like a prostitute, so be prepared to be ridiculed.

This is a really stupid insult. I mean, I get the idea. You wanted to say that they were a lackey, or somesuch. But also wanted to deride them further, and "lackey" just wasn't cutting it.

But now I'm filled with admiration for prostitutes, who - in addition to their normal duties - apparently follow men into battle as well. Handing out spare magazines and laying down suppressing fire between blowjobs.

Lapdance!

SURPRESSING FIRE!

...

Lapdance!

[An-Tanwir]

Yeah? Well we know where the outbreak that began started and it was China because

#1 they covered it up for months and threatened doctors who were gonna report it

#2 A wet market helped it spread with its unsanitary conditions

#3 A massive state run dinner in Wuhan which was only slightly more sanitary than the wet market was held during the week this was all getting started

China helped covid spread out of control as much as Trump did if not more so. There needs to be an investigation into them.

Unfortunately, seeing how accusations of crimes against humanity against enemies of the united states have gone in the past, we'll only find out a decade or two after we bomb, invade, and occupy china whether they were true or not.

You gonna ignore all those Muslims in labor camps in China or what china's been doing in Hong Kong? Cause while you make excuses for China covering up a virus for months, leading surely to countless preventable deaths, I'd like to see you try to make the case for why Australia and "white invaders" (that's kind of a racist term) are worse than a government that has a track record of mass murdering millions and sending opponents to "re-education camps."

Also they're not even communist. They're a free trade loving, imperialist capitalist government that maintains oppressive authoritarianism.

iirc, this is a thread about China calling out Australian war crimes, not about Xinjiang. I'm not ignoring anything, just staying on topic.

Also, when did I ever say China was communist? There was a literal military coup that replaced the communists with fascists (like Deng Xiaoping). Whether or not China is socialist (or even good) is completely irrelevant to my desire for the imperial american war machine to collapse, and these kinds of accusations, true or not, always preclude american occupation and the committing of even more war crimes. I'm not Pro-China, I'm Anti-America.

[An-Tanwir]

I don't really see the importance of being non-hypocritical in this scenario. The more war crimes publicized, the better. Ensuring consistency in other countries isn't really the most important thing here.

Because they aren't doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. We're talking about a country where mentioning the Tiananman Square massacre is illegal. They just want to undermine America and friends. They're not interested in "human rights."

Their intentions doesn't change the fact that we now know about Australia committing these war crimes and we can create mass movements to get them punished, which IMO eclipses any trade war BS.

[Nakena]

Also, when did I ever say China was communist? There was a literal military coup that replaced the communists with fascists (like Deng Xiaoping).

Deng wasnt a fascist.

Whether or not China is socialist (or even good) is completely irrelevant to my desire for the imperial american war machine to collapse, and these kinds of accusations, true or not, always preclude american occupation and the committing of even more war crimes. I'm not Pro-China, I'm Anti-America.

So everything is ok as long as it destroys America?

Also why you hate America, didn you grew up in it?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Yeah? Well we know where the outbreak that began started and it was China because

#1 they covered it up for months and threatened doctors who were gonna report it

#2 A wet market helped it spread with its unsanitary conditions

#3 A massive state run dinner in Wuhan which was only slightly more sanitary than the wet market was held during the week this was all getting started

China helped covid spread out of control as much as Trump did if not more so. There needs to be an investigation into them.

Unfortunately, seeing how accusations of crimes against humanity against enemies of the united states have gone in the past, we'll only find out a decade or two after we bomb, invade, and occupy china whether they were true or not.

You gonna ignore all those Muslims in labor camps in China or what china's been doing in Hong Kong? Cause while you make excuses for China covering up a virus for months, leading surely to countless preventable deaths, I'd like to see you try to make the case for why Australia and "white invaders" (that's kind of a racist term) are worse than a government that has a track record of mass murdering millions and sending opponents to "re-education camps."

Also they're not even communist. They're a free trade loving, imperialist capitalist government that maintains oppressive authoritarianism.

iirc, this is a thread about China calling out Australian war crimes, not about Xinjiang. I'm not ignoring anything, just staying on topic.

Also, when did I ever say China was communist? There was a literal military coup that replaced the communists with fascists (like Deng Xiaoping). Whether or not China is socialist (or even good) is completely irrelevant to my desire for the imperial american war machine to collapse, and these kinds of accusations, true or not, always preclude american occupation and the committing of even more war crimes. I'm not Pro-China, I'm Anti-America.

I'm against the war machine but I'm also against hypocrisy. China is being all smug about aussie war crimes like this vindicates them in some way when all it shows is they aren't the only bad guys.

[Enjuku]

Another anti-China thread? Yawn.

If Australia didn't perform war crimes, it wouldn't get mocked on Twitter. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

This is also hardly a reason to push sinophobia. A CCP official tweeting a caricature doesn't suddenly mean the West is under attack or China must be destroyed for being some illiberal hellhole. Jfc.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

I don't really see the importance of being non-hypocritical in this scenario. The more war crimes publicized, the better. Ensuring consistency in other countries isn't really the most important thing here.

Great, so why don't you tell China to let journalists and investigators into the camps?

Because it doesn't exist.If the next time the journalists and investigators bring it up again, I'll give you a bottle of water and send you to the sand pile in Xinjiang.If you can't find that damned refugee camp, don't want to leave the desert.

[An-Tanwir]

Have fun telling that to the families of the civilians. "Sorry, we would publicize your case and fight for justice, but the guy who exposed it was no angel!"

Hey, I'm not going that far. I'm just saying it's a bit hypocritical to call out Australia for committing genocide (which I haven't seen a proper source for) when China is committing a pseudo-Holocaust against the Mongolians, Tibetans, Manchu, and especially Uyghurs.

But hypocracy does not mean we should cover up Australian war crimes. Publicization of war crimes and crimes against humanity are always good, because we #1 deserve to know and #2 ought to hold soldiers accountable.

This isn't Xinjiang general. We're talking about australian war crimes here. Those war crimes still happened even if china is bad.

[An-Tanwir]

Unfortunately, seeing how accusations of crimes against humanity against enemies of the united states have gone in the past, we'll only find out a decade or two after we bomb, invade, and occupy china whether they were true or not.



iirc, this is a thread about China calling out Australian war crimes, not about Xinjiang. I'm not ignoring anything, just staying on topic.

Also, when did I ever say China was communist? There was a literal military coup that replaced the communists with fascists (like Deng Xiaoping). Whether or not China is socialist (or even good) is completely irrelevant to my desire for the imperial american war machine to collapse, and these kinds of accusations, true or not, always preclude american occupation and the committing of even more war crimes. I'm not Pro-China, I'm Anti-America.

I'm against the war machine but I'm also against hypocrisy. China is being all smug about aussie war crimes like this vindicates them in some way when all it shows is they aren't the only bad guys.

The war machine is *much* worse than being hypocritical. And I really don't care about China being smug, it's eclipsed in importance by the aussie war crimes.

[Picairn]

Another anti-China thread? Yawn.

If Australia didn't perform war crimes, it wouldn't get mocked on Twitter. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

This is also hardly a reason to push sinophobia. A CCP official tweeting a caricature doesn't suddenly mean the West is under attack or China must be destroyed for being some illiberal hellhole. Jfc.

Anti-CCP sentiment is not Sinophobia. Your race card is getting worn out rather quickly.

[Kiu Ghesik]

Great, so why don't you tell China to let journalists and investigators into the camps?

Because it doesn't exist.If the next time the journalists and investigators bring it up again, I'll give you a bottle of water and send you to the sand pile in Xinjiang.If you can't find that damned refugee camp, don't want to leave the desert.

Here, have 377 sources that say otherwise.

[An-Tanwir]

Also why you hate America, didn you grew up in it?

I'll quote myself from another thread to answer this:

I live in america, but my culture is not american. My culture is Queer. That's what happens when you utilize the American flag and patriotic imagery for the purposes of dehumanizing POC and queer people. We tend to feel alienated from your culture and feel that it is hostile (a justified feeling).

I'm told at least twice a year but nearly always more to "remember our brave Vietnam vets", but where are the Americans weeping for the Vietnamese? The Cambodians? The Lao? The Koreans? When was the last time you've even HEARD of the bombings of Laos and Cambodia? Why am I supposed to feel bad for the people who carried out those atrocities, but not for their victims? How could I even care if I tried? After all, the same people telling me to "stand for the flag" and "respect the troops" are calling me "tr**ny". Muhammed Ali felt similarly, with his famous "No Vietnamese ever called me a n***er." quote, so at least I'm in good company.

I will not uphold a militaristic genocidal settler state that slaughters innocents for living on the wrong resources. That state is an atrocity, and it deserves to be relegated to the museum of history along with the British Empire, Spanish Empire, Portuguese Empire, Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Imperial Japan.

[Picairn]

Because it doesn't exist.If the next time the journalists and investigators bring it up again, I'll give you a bottle of water and send you to the sand pile in Xinjiang.If you can't find that damned refugee camp, don't want to leave the desert.

Lmao nice denialism. We have drone footage of Uyghurs getting shackled and even satellite images of the camps.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video ... hina-video

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... s-xinjiang

[Atheris]

Great, so why don't you tell China to let journalists and investigators into the camps?

Because it doesn't exist.If the next time the journalists and investigators bring it up again, I'll give you a bottle of water and send you to the sand pile in Xinjiang.If you can't find that damned refugee camp, don't want to leave the desert.

Here, have an eye-witness account.

[An-Tanwir]

Deng wasnt a fascist.

I think the violent repression of communists and the reestablishing of settler relations would disagree.