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Your least favourite class?

The bourgeoise
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32%
Mathematics
63
29%
Chemistry
10
5%
Other natural sciences (Physics, biology, astronomy)
17
8%
Social sciences (Psychology, sociology, economics, politics and government)
6
3%
Literature
14
6%
Foreign languages
13
6%
History
1
0%
Other humanities (Philosophy, history)
5
2%
Arts
19
9%
 
Total votes : 219

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:37 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:I'm surprised math is more hated than PE.

I don't know, I found moving X, Y, Zs around equations highly satisfying. It's like a puzzle game. There's something satisfying about the balancing of it all and it looks good on the paper.

The units had all these mini-games too (other than algebra) like the logarithms, radian to degrees/trigonometry puzzles, and the calc derivative stuff.

Am the only one?


Sure, but I wonder if it would be less confronting if variables were given names that don't look at all like ISO Latin letters. x and y are supposed to be italicized, but that does not distinguish them much.

Little kids do algebra effortlessly, when the variable is portrayed as a box, circle or triangle. But then they use written language for several years before a teacher shows them "real" algebra. They're really very sure what the letter x is, then they're told that it's unknown and they have to manipulate the equation so the x is on one side (preferably the left side) and a number is on the right. What the fuck?

Maybe instead of x and y, teachers could use Greek letters. Being a bit careful since some have later mathematical meanings (capital omega Ω and capital delta Δ for instance) while others look too much like ISO Latin.
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Postby Shanghai industrial complex » Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:40 am

English. Language subjects are basically boring and useless.My teacher warned me that I would use it in my future work.No, I will use professional English instead of English I learned in class.I prefer to learn English from Samuel L. Jackson
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:40 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:I'm surprised math is more hated than PE.

I don't know, I found moving X, Y, Zs around equations highly satisfying. It's like a puzzle game. There's something satisfying about the balancing of it all and it looks good on the paper.

The units had all these mini-games too (other than algebra) like the logarithms, radian to degrees/trigonometry puzzles, and the calc derivative stuff.

Am the only one?


Sure, but I wonder if it would be less confronting if variables were given names that don't look at all like ISO Latin letters. x and y are supposed to be italicized, but that does not distinguish them much.

Little kids do algebra effortlessly, when the variable is portrayed as a box, circle or triangle. But then they use written language for several years before a teacher shows them "real" algebra. They're really very sure what the letter x is, then they're told that it's unknown and they have to manipulate the equation so the x is on one side (preferably the left side) and a number is on the right. What the fuck?

Maybe instead of x and y, teachers could use Greek letters. Being a bit careful since some have later mathematical meanings (capital omega Ω and capital delta Δ for instance) while others look too much like ISO Latin.


X also looks like the multiplication sign :)

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Postby Shanghai industrial complex » Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:52 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:I'm surprised math is more hated than PE.

I don't know, I found moving X, Y, Zs around equations highly satisfying. It's like a puzzle game. There's something satisfying about the balancing of it all and it looks good on the paper.

The units had all these mini-games too (other than algebra) like the logarithms, radian to degrees/trigonometry puzzles, and the calc derivative stuff.

Am the only one?

Have you ever been exposed to probability theory, linear algebra, limit ,series,ordinary differential equation and space analytic geometry?It's very annoying.Calculators are not allowed in almost all exams except geometry.I used to stay up for a week to prepare for exams :(
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Postby Kernen » Mon Nov 30, 2020 5:01 am

PE was always great fun. You got to move, a rare treat in a lecture system, and you got to compete. The rush and exercise always kept me feeling alert in my later classes.
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Postby Esalia » Mon Nov 30, 2020 5:11 am

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Same, I likened it to dissecting a frog to see how it works, fine but you killed the frog. And I really couldn't see how explaining how the weather in King Lear, for example, amplified the mood of the play.. it takes two lines.

One type of text I thought stood up to analysis: the dystopias.

For A-Levels, we had a Dystopian Fiction module: The Handmaid's Tale and Nineteen-Eighty-Four, with an optional Brave New World extension. Those I could have analysed and compared/contrasted 'til the cows came home.


Pretty much any darker story were the only ones I could analyse deeply and feel like I understood the analysis and enjoyed it.

I don't know why I couldn't have the same with lighter themes in lighter stories, which would've helped a lot since nine times out of ten the GCSE English Language text was a lighter one.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Nov 30, 2020 5:13 am

Shanghai industrial complex wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:I'm surprised math is more hated than PE.

I don't know, I found moving X, Y, Zs around equations highly satisfying. It's like a puzzle game. There's something satisfying about the balancing of it all and it looks good on the paper.

The units had all these mini-games too (other than algebra) like the logarithms, radian to degrees/trigonometry puzzles, and the calc derivative stuff.

Am the only one?

Have you ever been exposed to probability theory, linear algebra, limit ,series,ordinary differential equation and space analytic geometry?It's very annoying.Calculators are not allowed in almost all exams except geometry.I used to stay up for a week to prepare for exams :(


My school was strange in that calculators (scientific) were allowed for a lot of things.

I took statistics/probability and it was a strange case of "I had very little clue what was really going on but my classmates had even LESS of a clue so I got curved ahead and did... well?"

As for the rest, truth be told... I'm not sure. I did AP Calculus and AP Statistics (Americanized international school in Hong Kong) and got 5s but I don't remember exactly what was/wasn't covered in them. Sadly, I've forgotten all but the most basic forms of math but at the time it wasn't un-fun.

I'd have to recheck the syllabus for those to narrow it out, but my suspicions is that a lot of what you mentioned I didn't touch at all (I don't think the US system is very rigorous in maths compared to other systems like the Singaporean/Japanese/Chinese curriculums for math).

There was a Geometry course but I think we over-whelming focused on Proofs. We must have done a lot of things on triangles but exactly what specifically? Can't recall.

...

Now in AP Calculus I did remember SOMETHING about working out limits, doing derivatives, and then somehow drawing some 3D shapes on graph paper and trying to figure out intersections. What would that be?

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Postby Calimama » Mon Nov 30, 2020 5:18 am

Kernen wrote:PE was always great fun. You got to move, a rare treat in a lecture system, and you got to compete. The rush and exercise always kept me feeling alert in my later classes.

See, I liked PE too, the only problem was it was one of my first classes in the morning. I usually didn't get enough sleep during school week so I would be most of the time a half-awake zombie trying to do whatever they planned that day.
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Postby Andsed » Mon Nov 30, 2020 5:34 am

Math. All I learned there was creating new ways to curse God for his bullshit.
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Postby Kernen » Mon Nov 30, 2020 6:28 am

Calimama wrote:
Kernen wrote:PE was always great fun. You got to move, a rare treat in a lecture system, and you got to compete. The rush and exercise always kept me feeling alert in my later classes.

See, I liked PE too, the only problem was it was one of my first classes in the morning. I usually didn't get enough sleep during school week so I would be most of the time a half-awake zombie trying to do whatever they planned that day.


That's rough. Mine was after lunch. At first it was a surefire way to make me sick, but it moderated food intake, which limited weight gain and made excersize easier, which made gym fun... All of which reinforced itself. I recall thinking poorly of gym at the time, but it was one of the best classes for me in retrospect.

In college, I assumed I'd be active without classes. That was a mistake. I'm still repairing the damage done by video games, buffet dining halls, and cheap beer.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Nov 30, 2020 6:30 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Sure, but I wonder if it would be less confronting if variables were given names that don't look at all like ISO Latin letters. x and y are supposed to be italicized, but that does not distinguish them much.

Little kids do algebra effortlessly, when the variable is portrayed as a box, circle or triangle. But then they use written language for several years before a teacher shows them "real" algebra. They're really very sure what the letter x is, then they're told that it's unknown and they have to manipulate the equation so the x is on one side (preferably the left side) and a number is on the right. What the fuck?

Maybe instead of x and y, teachers could use Greek letters. Being a bit careful since some have later mathematical meanings (capital omega Ω and capital delta Δ for instance) while others look too much like ISO Latin.


X also looks like the multiplication sign :)


This is why real chads don't even sign their multiplication and leave it implied. But if you're not cool enough for that yet, there's also the dot notation, which also erases ambiguity. Also the history of using x for unknowns goes all the way back to Descartes, and you're not going to get mathematicians to change centuries-old notation so at some point school children are going to have to familiarize themselves with it.
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Postby Prusmia » Mon Nov 30, 2020 6:33 am

English... I just, why. do. we. need. to. know. why. the. curtains. symbolize. the. characters. depression.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Nov 30, 2020 6:34 am

Shanghai industrial complex wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:I'm surprised math is more hated than PE.

I don't know, I found moving X, Y, Zs around equations highly satisfying. It's like a puzzle game. There's something satisfying about the balancing of it all and it looks good on the paper.

The units had all these mini-games too (other than algebra) like the logarithms, radian to degrees/trigonometry puzzles, and the calc derivative stuff.

Am the only one?

Have you ever been exposed to probability theory, linear algebra, limit ,series,ordinary differential equation and space analytic geometry?It's very annoying.Calculators are not allowed in almost all exams except geometry.I used to stay up for a week to prepare for exams :(


All of those things are rad as fuck though, and most calculators can't help you for ODEs anyway.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Nov 30, 2020 6:34 am

Prusmia wrote:English... I just, why. do. we. need. to. know. why. the. curtains. symbolize. the. characters. depression.


It's important to learn how to critically analyze what you read and be open to not-obvious interpretations of certain things.
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Postby Arab Republic of the Levant » Mon Nov 30, 2020 6:36 am

always math,they say im so "disrespectful" when my microphone and camera are off and someones insulting the teacher,oh boy im a verbal punching bag. i get 3 more hours when 7 is enough.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Nov 30, 2020 6:37 am

Valrifell wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
X also looks like the multiplication sign :)


This is why real chads don't even sign their multiplication and leave it implied. But if you're not cool enough for that yet, there's also the dot notation, which also erases ambiguity. Also the history of using x for unknowns goes all the way back to Descartes, and you're not going to get mathematicians to change centuries-old notation so at some point school children are going to have to familiarize themselves with it.


I used the dots to multiply in my homework

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Postby Kernen » Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:06 am

Valrifell wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
X also looks like the multiplication sign :)


This is why real chads don't even sign their multiplication and leave it implied. But if you're not cool enough for that yet, there's also the dot notation, which also erases ambiguity. Also the history of using x for unknowns goes all the way back to Descartes, and you're not going to get mathematicians to change centuries-old notation so at some point school children are going to have to familiarize themselves with it.

Gigachads don't use any mathematical function symbols. All functions are implied. Only betas struggle to see the string of numerals and can't calculate the result correctly.

I can't calculate with the symbols, so I am not a Mathchad.
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This is one poll where I'm glad that the Humanities have scored low.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:24 am

Kernen wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
This is why real chads don't even sign their multiplication and leave it implied. But if you're not cool enough for that yet, there's also the dot notation, which also erases ambiguity. Also the history of using x for unknowns goes all the way back to Descartes, and you're not going to get mathematicians to change centuries-old notation so at some point school children are going to have to familiarize themselves with it.

Gigachads don't use any mathematical function symbols. All functions are implied. Only betas struggle to see the string of numerals and can't calculate the result correctly.

I can't calculate with the symbols, so I am not a Mathchad.


That would help relieve test/exam stress ... which imo is the only reason math sucks. It enjoyable when you can take your time. As soon as there's a time limit math skills go down to meet it, then the last question is plain impossible so you don't check the others over and get a C. Then test trauma ruins everything because you're ALWAYS hurrying. There should be less to do in the same time, put some hard questions at the end to separate A students from the others, should work better.

Terachads don't need to write anything: constants, variables, operators. All true equations can be reduced to a blank line ... except the equality symbol to show there's an equation there. The teacher will ban it before all the other kids start doing it, but you'll get one perfect mark!
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:26 am

The New California Republic wrote:This is one poll where I'm glad that the Humanities have scored low.

I've just noticed that the poll is actually broken:

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Postby Resilient Acceleration » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:29 am

Valrifell wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
X also looks like the multiplication sign :)


This is why real chads don't even sign their multiplication and leave it implied. But if you're not cool enough for that yet, there's also the dot notation, which also erases ambiguity.

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But really, eventually I just end up writing my "x", "y", and even the greek letters in that curvy manner commonly found in the usual LateX "math font". I guess my terrible handwriting also help distinguish the math from the illegible scribbles.

Though, I recently found out that writing in italic, achievable by rotating up your paper by 45°, increases your writing speed twofold. More importantly, your writing's readability and aesthetic also increase by 900000000%. It does sometimes causes back pain though :D
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Postby Nuroblav » Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:02 am

Narvatus wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Without even looking at the poll options I knew that maths would be the most hated class. Technically the joke option is winning, but joke options are discarded.

Joke options on polls should never exist.

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Postby Shanghai industrial complex » Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:14 am

Valrifell wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
X also looks like the multiplication sign :)


This is why real chads don't even sign their multiplication and leave it implied. But if you're not cool enough for that yet, there's also the dot notation, which also erases ambiguity. Also the history of using x for unknowns goes all the way back to Descartes, and you're not going to get mathematicians to change centuries-old notation so at some point school children are going to have to familiarize themselves with it.

Oh Descartes.I remember Cartesian product and Cartesian coordinates
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Postby Terentino » Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:42 am

MATH! always math and chemistry

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