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The Republic of Fore wrote:After we provoked them by arming their enemies and embargoing them.No embargo, no reason to join the war It's that simple.

"We are being embargoed, therefore it's legit for us to go to war and kill Americans" isn't a defense, man. Besides I already explained to you why Japan was embargoed. Maybe they shouldn't have aggressively expanded into South East Asian nations and China.

La xinga wrote:

Alcala-Cordel wrote:It doesn't matter, war crimes are war crimes at the end of the day

Comes the question who decides the war crimes.

Typically, those sets of international law pertaining to the laws of war that all participating nations adhere to. There aren't really that many major principles in the law of war tbh.

Loben III wrote:

The Republic of Fore wrote:After we provoked them by arming their enemies and embargoing them.No embargo, no reason to join the war It's that simple.

We embargoed them and they bombed us, seems a tad out of proportion.

What's the proportional response to someone trying to destroy your economy when you haven't done anything to them? The US would have done a lot more if the scenario was reversed.

The Republic of Fore wrote:

Loben III wrote:
We embargoed them and they bombed us, seems a tad out of proportion.

What's the proportional response to someone trying to destroy your economy when you haven't done anything to them? The US would have done a lot more if the scenario was reversed.

Maybe not be hellbent on aggressive expansion?

Maybe not rape Nanking?

The Republic of Fore wrote:

Loben III wrote:
We embargoed them and they bombed us, seems a tad out of proportion.

What's the proportional response to someone trying to destroy your economy when you haven't done anything to them? The US would have done a lot more if the scenario was reversed.

Stopping your acts of aggression and the sort of war crimes that makes Nazis go "jeez, calm down edgelord" would be a good start.

The Restored Danelaw wrote:

The Republic of Fore wrote:What's the proportional response to someone trying to destroy your economy when you haven't done anything to them? The US would have done a lot more if the scenario was reversed.

Stopping your acts of aggression and the sort of war crimes that makes Nazis go "jeez, calm down edgelord" would be a good start.

Apparently the the 3 all’s were just a myth.

Picairn wrote:

The Republic of Fore wrote:After we provoked them by arming their enemies and embargoing them.No embargo, no reason to join the war It's that simple.

"We are being embargoed, therefore it's legit for us to go to war and kill Americans" isn't a defense, man. Besides I already explained to you why Japan was embargoed. Maybe they shouldn't have aggressively expanded into South East Asian nations and China.

Maybe america shouldn't embargo countries who haven't done anything to them. It's not our problem if south east asia is being invaded. Last time I checked china wasn't a state. And we would respond far worse if someone tried to do the same to us.

The Republic of Fore wrote:

Picairn wrote:"We are being embargoed, therefore it's legit for us to go to war and kill Americans" isn't a defense, man. Besides I already explained to you why Japan was embargoed. Maybe they shouldn't have aggressively expanded into South East Asian nations and China.

Maybe america shouldn't embargo countries who haven't done anything to them. It's not our problem if south east asia is being invaded. Last time I checked china wasn't a state. And we would respond far worse if someone tried to do the same to us.

What was your opinion on the German invasion of Poland and Western Europe.

The Republic of Fore wrote:Maybe america shouldn't embargo countries who haven't done anything to them.

Why? It's full within the US' right to embargo anyone it doesn't like, especially when that nation is aggressively carving out a new empire.

It's not our problem if south east asia is being invaded.

You hear that guys? War crimes and genocides don't matter if they don't impact us. Just sit back and watch the spectacle.

Last time I checked china wasn't a state.

Wut? China was under the control of ROC at the time, it was definitely a state. This reeks of Japanese revisionist propaganda.

And we would respond far worse if someone tried to do the same to us.

Has anyone even tried to embargo the US? Do they know that once they do that, they can kiss their economy goodbye?

Picairn wrote:

The Republic of Fore wrote:Maybe America shouldn't embargo countries who haven't done anything to them.

Why? It's full within the US' right to embargo anyone it doesn't like, especially when that nation is aggressively carving out a new empire.

It's not our problem if southeast Asia is being invaded.

You hear that guys? War crimes and genocides don't matter if they don't impact us. Just sit back and watch the spectacle.

Last time I checked China wasn't a state.

Wut? China was under the control of ROC at the time, it was definitely a state. This reeks of Japanese revisionist propaganda.

And we would respond far worse if someone tried to do the same to us.

Has anyone even tried to embargo the US? Do they know that once they do that, they can kiss their economy goodbye?

1. Then It's fully within the US's right to suffer the consequences of that choice.
2. Better than sending 400,000 of our young men to die for the benefit of foreigners.
3. It wasn't a US state, sorry should have made that clear.
4. No, but in a hypothetical scenario if someone tried to cut off our oil supply do you really think we'd hesitate to turn them into dust? Because if so, I have a bridge to sell you.

Loben III wrote:

The Republic of Fore wrote:Maybe america shouldn't embargo countries who haven't done anything to them. It's not our problem if south east asia is being invaded. Last time I checked china wasn't a state. And we would respond far worse if someone tried to do the same to us.

What was your opinion on the German invasion of Poland and Western Europe?

That it was western Europe's problem, and not worth sending hundreds of thousands of American boys to die for.

The Republic of Fore wrote:

Loben III wrote:
What was your opinion on the German invasion of Poland and Western Europe?

That it was western Europe's problem, and not worth sending hundreds of thousands of American boys to die for.

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The Republic of Fore wrote:

Loben III wrote:
What was your opinion on the German invasion of Poland and Western Europe?

That it was western Europe's problem, and not worth sending hundreds of thousands of American boys to die for.

You do know that Germany declared war on us right?

-Insaanistan- wrote:

The Republic of Fore wrote:That it was western Europe's problem, and not worth sending hundreds of thousands of American boys to die for.

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What? People are always so quick to throw lives into the meat grinder in the name of "preserving freedom" except when it comes to their own. I saw plenty of people jump up and down squealing that the US had to stay in Syria to protect the kurds, but how many of them walked down to a recruiting station? If you feel so strongly about it, then back those words up. Unless you only care as long as its someone else coming home in a body bag, or with a blown off arm and a life of night terrors from ptsd.

The Republic of Fore wrote:

-Insaanistan- wrote:
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What? People are always so quick to throw lives into the meat grinder in the name of "preserving freedom" except when it comes to their own. I saw plenty of people jump up and down squealing that the US had to stay in Syria to protect the kurds, but how many of them walked down to a recruiting station? If you feel so strongly about it, then back those words up. Unless you only care as long as its someone else coming home in a body bag, or with a blown off arm and a life of night terrors from ptsd.

I’m 14... also, I don’t think me of all people picking up a gun and going to Syria would be a good idea.

The Republic of Fore wrote:

-Insaanistan- wrote:
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What? People are always so quick to throw lives into the meat grinder in the name of "preserving freedom" except when it comes to their own. I saw plenty of people jump up and down squealing that the US had to stay in Syria to protect the kurds, but how many of them walked down to a recruiting station? If you feel so strongly about it, then back those words up. Unless you only care as long as its someone else coming home in a body bag, or with a blown off arm and a life of night terrors from ptsd.

The American entry to WWII was specifically framed as a matter of patriotism and reaction to an undeclared act of war specifically so people like you wouldn't shill for genocide like that lmao.

Loben III wrote:

The Republic of Fore wrote:That it was western Europe's problem, and not worth sending hundreds of thousands of American boys to die for.

You do know that Germany declared war on us right?

Yeah, after we declared war on Japan when we stuck our nose into something that wasn't our concern. It would have been smarter to not embargo Japan, keep the pacific fleet in San Diego, and continue expanding it just in case Japan did attack anyway. And if they didn't, all those boys who died could've become doctors, or lawyers, or engineers. Far more useful to us than they were as worm food inside a pine box.

The Restored Danelaw wrote:

The Republic of Fore wrote:What? People are always so quick to throw lives into the meat grinder in the name of "preserving freedom" except when it comes to their own. I saw plenty of people jump up and down squealing that the US had to stay in Syria to protect the kurds, but how many of them walked down to a recruiting station? If you feel so strongly about it, then back those words up. Unless you only care as long as its someone else coming home in a body bag, or with a blown off arm and a life of night terrors from ptsd.

The American entry to WWII was specifically framed as a matter of patriotism and reaction to an undeclared act of war specifically so people like you wouldn't shill for genocide like that lmao.

I'm shilling for our young men to not die for the benefit of foreigners. How dare I not want my friends and neighbors coming home in boxes or spending their nights screaming at traffic because they were driven insane by ptsd? And wow, you're telling me the US government lied to make going to war look good in the media? I'm shocked, when has that ever happened!/s

The Republic of Fore wrote:

Loben III wrote:
You do know that Germany declared war on us right?

Yeah, after we declared war on Japan when we stuck our nose into something that wasn't our concern. It would have been smarter to not embargo Japan, keep the pacific fleet in San Diego, and continue expanding it just in case Japan did attack anyway. And if they didn't, all those boys who died could've become doctors, or lawyers, or engineers. Far more useful to us than they were as worm food inside a pine box.

So you’d rather millions more of our Jewish brothers and sisters die than the amount that already did?

-Insaanistan- wrote:

The Republic of Fore wrote:Yeah, after we declared war on Japan when we stuck our nose into something that wasn't our concern. It would have been smarter to not embargo Japan, keep the pacific fleet in San Diego, and continue expanding it just in case Japan did attack anyway. And if they didn't, all those boys who died could've become doctors, or lawyers, or engineers. Far more useful to us than they were as worm food inside a pine box.

So you’d rather millions more of our Jewish brothers and sisters die than the amount that already did?

The Great Mufti of Jerusalem meanwhile worked together with Adolf Hitler.

Nakena wrote:

-Insaanistan- wrote:So you’d rather millions more of our Jewish brothers and sisters die than the amount that already did?

The Great Mufti of Jerusalem meanwhile worked together with Adolf Hitler.

I am aware. I’m also aware that there were many regiments made up of Palestinians that fought the Nazis ALONGSIDE Jewish settlers, and that at least twice as many Muslims fought for the Allies than the Axis. The Mufti wasn’t some god who controlled the every move of all Muslims, or even Palestinians.

-Insaanistan- wrote:

Nakena wrote:
The Great Mufti of Jerusalem meanwhile worked together with Adolf Hitler.

I am aware. I’m also aware that there were many regiments made up of Palestinians that fought the Nazis ALONGSIDE Jewish settlers, and that at least twice as many Muslims fought for the Allies than the Axis. The Mufti wasn’t some god who controlled the every move of all Muslims, or even Palestinians.

Well given that the Israelis kicked the Palestianans later out they may have been - subjectively from their perspective - fought on the wrong side in a hindsight.

The Republic of Fore wrote:1. Then It's fully within the US's right to suffer the consequences of that choice.

And they reserve the right to retaliation. Maybe the Japanese should have considered not building a new empire.

2. Better than sending 400,000 of our young men to die for the benefit of foreigners.

Who benefited from Pearl Harbor? And the US had the right to self-defense. Should it have stood aside and let Japan occupy Hawaii?

3. It wasn't a US state, sorry should have made that clear.

Maybe the Japanese Empire shouldn't have invaded China in 1931, then occupied French Indochina in 1940, then attacked Pearl Harbor to eliminate US presence in the Asia Pacific so that they could enjoy their empire-building fantasy.

4. No, but in a hypothetical scenario if someone tried to cut off our oil supply do you really think we'd hesitate to turn them into dust? Because if so, I have a bridge to sell you.

Why should a nation kill itself by cutting off its own oil export to the world?

Picairn wrote:

The Republic of Fore wrote:1. Then It's fully within the US's right to suffer the consequences of that choice.

And they reserve the right to retaliation. Maybe the Japanese should have considered not building a new empire.

2. Better than sending 400,000 of our young men to die for the benefit of foreigners.

Who benefited from Pearl Harbor? And the US had the right to self-defense. Should it have stood aside and let Japan occupy Hawaii?

3. It wasn't a US state, sorry should have made that clear.

Maybe the Japanese Empire shouldn't have invaded China in 1931, then occupied French Indochina in 1940, then attacked Pearl Harbor to eliminate US presence in the Asia Pacific so that they could enjoy their empire-building fantasy.

4. No, but in a hypothetical scenario if someone tried to cut off our oil supply do you really think we'd hesitate to turn them into dust? Because if so, I have a bridge to sell you.

Why should a nation kill itself by cutting off its own oil export to the world?

Cutting down the oil exports to Japan was obviously an action that already implicated and anticipated further intervention.

I mean they could have known it. Also the Japanese.

Nakena wrote:

-Insaanistan- wrote:
I am aware. I’m also aware that there were many regiments made up of Palestinians that fought the Nazis ALONGSIDE Jewish settlers, and that at least twice as many Muslims fought for the Allies than the Axis. The Mufti wasn’t some god who controlled the every move of all Muslims, or even Palestinians.

Well given that the Israelis kicked the Palestianans later out they may have been - subjectively from their perspective - fought on the wrong side in a hindsight.

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Wow. Just... just wow.