The World Police

[Plzen]

The only legitimacy I accept in government is the support of the governed. The United Nations, or some other global equivalent, must hold the final say on international affairs.

That being said, given that the possibility of this happening in the near future seems rather remote, I agree that the US holding the title of world police isn't terrible - an acceptable second-best solution in the absence of a good one - but I also have serious doubts that China or the European Union as world police would be as awful as some proponents of American hegemony make them out to be. I'm confident that the Chinese will leave our constitutional democracy alone as long as we never use it to oppose Chinese interests - just like the Americans do today, in other words.

The other options listed - Russia, India, Brazil - I don’t consider plausible near-future alternatives. My feelings on a multipolar, Cold War era scenario is... mixed and after some recent revelations I don’t feel confident enough about that topic to talk about it.

[Adamede]

The USA is the final safe haven for all non-Catholic/non-Orthodox Christians.

What?

[Xeng He]

I think there should be a world policeman, but I don't know if the US is doing the best job.

Ideally the UN would increase in power and handle all human rights abuses but that's in the far future.

[Adamede]

I think there should be a world policeman, but I don't know if the US is doing the best job.

Ideally the UN would increase in power and handle all human rights abuses but that's in the far future.

I seriously doubt any actual powerful nation is going to hand over the power to the UN that would be necessary for that

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Actually, for most of us, it's the other way around. USA is the world's bully. They go around exporting their shitty culture and try to erode traditional values, and they invade and/or destabilise countries for resources and to shove their retarded ideology on us.

Yes, I already addressed that.

So on the part that it's a bad thing, yes. It's a horrible thing. If course, I'd rather choose the greatest country in the world over them. China will save us from the menace that is America.

You realize China would do the exact same thing, right? Also weird to see a Muslim support China considering how China is currently trying to exterminate your religion and all it's followers.

well, we need someone, but letting individual states do it seems like a flawed approach for a whole lot of reasons... but I can't see the morass of international dysfunction that is the UN stepping up and becoming a viable option any time soon either, or anyone letting it even if it could

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Global caliphate time.

You're just full of bad ideas, huh?

The USA is the final safe haven for all non-Catholic/non-Orthodox Christians.

wat

How... how is this even relevant?

The only legitimacy I accept in government is the support of the governed. The United Nations, or some other global equivalent, must hold the final say on international affairs.

That being said, given that the possibility of this happening in the near future seems rather remote, I agree that the US holding the title of world police isn't terrible - an acceptable second-best solution in the absence of a good one - but I also have serious doubts that China or the European Union as world police would be as awful as some proponents of American hegemony make them out to be. I'm confident that the Chinese will leave our constitutional democracy alone as long as we never use it to oppose Chinese interests - just like the Americans do today, in other words.

The other options listed - Russia, India, Brazil - I don’t consider plausible near-future alternatives. My feelings on a multipolar, Cold War era scenario is... mixed and after some recent revelations I don’t feel confident enough about that topic to talk about it.

I mean China murdered it's own citizens in cold blood in Tiananmen in November of 1989 for peaceful protest. If they're willing to do that to their own people, even when those people are being non-threatening, what will they do to foreign dissenters? They already threaten the families of the Chinese diaspora if they speak out against the regime. You really think that if they could remove governments in opposition to Chinese influences from power that they wouldn't do so? Not only would they, but they'd show the exact same reckless disregard for the lives of the people living under said governments and prop up Duvalieresque figures without a care.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

America definitely acts like the world policeman. I think the incidents that caused the protests of this summer prove America acts quite alot like how the actual police often do, which is probably why so many people don't like America anymore.

[Picairn]

I mean China murdered it's own citizens in cold blood in Tiananmen in November of 1989 for peaceful protest. If they're willing to do that to their own people, even when those people are being non-threatening, what will they do to foreign dissenters?

China literally passed a law saying that all foreigners who have spoken in support of Hong Kong and criticized China will be immediately arrested upon setting foot on China's soil. It applies to all 7 billion people of this planet.

Per this law, I, you, and all other NSGers who support Hong Kong are now officially criminals.

[Adamede]

America definitely acts like the world policeman. I think the incidents that caused the protests of this summer prove America acts quite alot like how the actual police often do, which is probably why so many people don't like America anymore.

I think you over estimate how popular America ever was as a geopolitical force.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

America definitely acts like the world policeman. I think the incidents that caused the protests of this summer prove America acts quite alot like how the actual police often do, which is probably why so many people don't like America anymore.

I think you over estimate how popular America ever was as a geopolitical force.

Its less popular now than it was before it stuck its nose out in the world. There's a reason people in other countries view us like the boogeyman, and it isnt cause they're jealous of our fake and fleeting freedoms.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

I mean China murdered it's own citizens in cold blood in Tiananmen in November of 1989 for peaceful protest. If they're willing to do that to their own people, even when those people are being non-threatening, what will they do to foreign dissenters?

China literally passed a law saying that all foreigners who have spoken in support of Hong Kong and criticized China will be immediately arrested upon setting foot on China's soil. It applies to all 7 billion people of this planet.

Per this law, I, you, and all other NSGers who support Hong Kong are now officially criminals.

...I don't know about you but I'm going to wear this as a badge of honor lmao.

[The Reformed American Republic]

China will save us from the menace that is America.

Despite the U.S. intervening in too may countries, China isn't this benevolent force that won't exploit you or save your civilization either. Hardly the greatest country on the world either. They would happily stamp your culture out if it served their interests.

[Picairn]

...I don't know about you but I'm going to wear this as a badge of honor lmao.

Well, new sig time.

[The Reformed American Republic]

America definitely acts like the world policeman. I think the incidents that caused the protests of this summer prove America acts quite alot like how the actual police often do, which is probably why so many people don't like America anymore.

We should stop with our interventionism that's for sure. We can stay out of civil wars.

[Nakena]

...I don't know about you but I'm going to wear this as a badge of honor lmao.

Seems I was more on spot than I thought:

The PRC under Xi (emphasis under Xi) is an threat to every freedom loving human being on this entire planet. That includes pretty much everyone who does not wish to live under their rule, their sphere or least their shadow. Now some people may say "but the US is worse"... sure theres always powers that be, but it makes an difference if for those offer possibilities of freedom and evolution or are closed totalitarian systems that tolerate nothing outside of themself.

[Picairn]

Seems I was more on spot than I thought:

The PRC under Xi (emphasis under Xi) is an threat to every freedom loving human being on this entire planet. That includes pretty much everyone who does not wish to live under their rule, their sphere or least their shadow. Now some people may say "but the US is worse"... sure theres always powers that be, but it makes an difference if for those offer possibilities of freedom and evolution or are closed totalitarian systems that tolerate nothing outside of themself.

You predicted China's HK national security law, which was passed in June 2020.

Oh yeah, you are now also a criminal.

[Punished UMN]

A single country being a "global policeman" is stupid because the idea would require them to be politically neutral on things that affect them. There can be no global government, only intergovernance by the collective nations of the world. There are too many conflicting interests in the world for a single country or a group of countries enforcing things to possibly approach fairness.

[The Marlborough]

A.E.I.O.U. (but Eastern Orthodox).

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

A.E.I.O.U. (but Eastern Orthodox).

I don't get it?

[Major-Tom]

Good movie.

[The Marlborough]

A.E.I.O.U. (but Eastern Orthodox).

I don't get it?

Universal monarchy.

[New haven america]

Actually, for most of us, it's the other way around. USA is the world's bully. They go around exporting their shitty culture and try to erode traditional values, and they invade and/or destabilise countries for resources and to shove their retarded ideology on us.

So on the part that it's a bad thing, yes. It's a horrible thing. If course, I'd rather choose the greatest country in the world over them. China will save us from the menace that is America.

Isn't China currently exterminating Muslims?

Huh, weird, didn't think you'd support country killing off your own religious group. But it seems I stand corrected.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

All that kidnapping and torturing people, the US has been more like the World Secret Police.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

The USA is the final safe haven for all non-Catholic/non-Orthodox Christians.

I can't see that happening. There's half a billion who fit that description, who don't already live there.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

...I don't know about you but I'm going to wear this as a badge of honor lmao.

Seems I was more on spot than I thought:

The PRC under Xi (emphasis under Xi) is an threat to every freedom loving human being on this entire planet. That includes pretty much everyone who does not wish to live under their rule, their sphere or least their shadow. Now some people may say "but the US is worse"... sure theres always powers that be, but it makes an difference if for those offer possibilities of freedom and evolution or are closed totalitarian systems that tolerate nothing outside of themself.

Everyone who doesn't want to live in China's sphere, won't go there. So they won't get arrested for speaking up in support of HK.

In other words, China poses no threat just by that law, to "every freedom loving human being on this entire planet".

You do talk a lot of nonsense sometimes.

[Picairn]

Everyone who doesn't want to live in China's sphere, won't go there. So they won't get arrested for speaking up in support of HK.

In other words, China poses no threat just by that law, to "every freedom loving human being on this entire planet".

You do talk a lot of nonsense sometimes.

Maybe not now, but when China becomes the new superpower and expands its imperalist gains, we'll revisit this law.