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Who should be the "World Police"?

The USA is by far the most preferable and realistic option. Best to stick with what we've got.
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I think Russia would make a far better world policeman.
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China as world police would be a vast improvement over the United States.
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I'm still holding out hope for Brazil for world police.
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I won't count India out of the running for world policeman just yet.
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The European Union will eventually pull it together and become a better world police than the US ever was.
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The only world police I support is the United Nations... just as soon as they find their stones.
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I'd rather see competing superpowers vying for power; bring back the Cold War era.
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Man, I still say it's entirely possible for us to ditch superpowers altogether.
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Hasselhoff is the only world police the Earth will ever need.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:57 pm

There is a strongly-held belief among many people across the world that the United States acts like "the world's policeman" in regards to it's interventionist foreign policy, which constantly sees the US interfere in the affairs of foreign nations in order to benefit it's own agenda and expand it's sphere of influence. For many people, this moniker is derogatory; something to be ashamed of. It is an insult and a criticism. What I have to wonder is: should it be?

The problem with this line of thinking--that being the 'World Police' is inherently a bad thing--is that I would argue it's either totally inevitable, or that the alternative is worse. Many NS users are old enough to remember the Cold War; the time before America was the "World Police" and instead of just one side of an international feud with the Soviet Union. This was a highly violent and politically unstable time period in modern history where these two great nations regularly butted heads in foreign nations in order to fight for supremacy. The Third World, the poorest and more undeveloped countries on Earth, were the primary battleground for these ideological skirmishes and thus are where most of the suffering and chaos took place. When the Soviet Union was officially dissolved in 1991, the Cold War was brought to an official end and the United States was left the sole superpower in the world - a title it still holds and likely will for the foreseeable future.

There are of course nations that have the potential to one day challenge that status--most notably the Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China--who are not exactly on friendly terms with the United States. In the event one of them should garner the necessary power to outright challenge America's supremacy, it could very well lead to a return to the antics of the Cold War era which devastated so many nations and led to countless bloodshed. Indeed some could argue that the groundwork for a Second Cold War--this time between America and China--have already been laid out and will only further escalate in time. Thus, it seems, that with the end of the Second World War there exists a new duality in global politics: World Police and Cold War. If there is not one, then there must be the other. This trend, it could be argued, was born inherently out of globalism and that in spite of such international organizations such as the rather useless United Nations, will persist perhaps indefinitely until either space aliens invade and humanity has to unite under the banner of an action hero to kick their slimy butts back to the Andromeda Galaxy or Mankind blows itself up with it's own bombs, sets back our progress by 5,000 years, and gives rise to a new civilization of free-thinking machines. Neither sounds like a very pretty outcome (unless the aliens are hot blue chicks, in which case you can consider me a collaborator. Sorry, fellow humans).

But of the two states of international geopolitics--that of an overbearing world policeman superpower or a chaotic hotbed of a saber-rattling cold war--I would argue the former, not the latter, is more preferred. I don't think it's hyperbole to say that the post-Cold War world is far more peaceful and stable than that of the Cold War era, aside from that brief period from the 1990s to the early 2000s where the Soviet Union's demise left a bit of a power vacuum that sort of left more than a few places in the proverbial shitter. I would argue it's better to have one, single superpower running the show than having two superpowers (or, God forbid, three or more) waving their nuclear dicks around at each other and toppling foreign governments at the drop of a hat. Not to say that doesn't still happen, but maybe less so nowadays. But then, if we must have this superpower world policeman simply because it's the lesser of two evils (which I believe it is) then who should it be but the USA? Now of course you're going to think I'm biased, being an American myself and a patriot to boot, but those of you who know me will also know how critical I am of the current state of the American government and it's foreign (and domestic, for that matter) policy and so should know better than to assume I'm not just saying this out of some blind, nationalistic fervor.

The simple fact of the matter is that of the potential superpowers in the world, they are either pipe-dreams at best (Brazil, the EU, India) or undesirable for the position (China, Russia, and India... again). If the status of world police is necessary--or at least unavoidable--then I would wager that it's best that the title be held and kept by the United States for the time being. While there are undoubtedly many who would salivate at the idea of a European world police let's be honest: they can't even police themselves, let alone the world. Brazil, meanwhile, pretty much threw out it's chance at becoming a superpower when it decided a an annual, international football game was more important than a space program. Whereas India... well, the less said about India the better. China, meanwhile, is the literal modern day Third Reich (no, I'm not kidding) and nobody needs that. Russia is just barely better than China and, honestly, they already had their shot and they fumbled big time.

Bottom line? The status of 'world police' is unavoidable. An nation with the power to project international influence is going to try and hold onto that, because if it let's go for even a moment then another nation will rise to the strength necessary to challenge their supremacy leading to another Cold War scenario which I would argue is much, much worse. If there is to be a world police, perhaps it's for the best that it was America that obtained this title and not the USSR. But what do you think, NSG? Is the world police unavoidable? Necessary? Both? Or is a Cold War a preferred state? Or is OP full shit and can both situations be avoided?
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Postby Sundiata » Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:00 pm

Yeah, there should be global law, global law enforcement, a global judicial system, and global government.
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Postby New haven america » Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:34 pm

I vote the US goes full isolationist.
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Postby Rio Cana » Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:59 pm

Sundiata wrote:Yeah, there should be global law, global law enforcement, a global judicial system, and global government.


At least when it comes to global law enforcement there is Interpol.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:16 pm

The "World Police" would need a distinctive uniform, a code of conduct, and a high command that isn't the US President.

Trying to pass off aggressive military actions as "police" actions is not going to cut any ice, except with US death porn viewers who never saw a war they didn't like ... because they never saw a war except on a screen. The uniform is for them: without it they would think the police were incompetent for not shooting strangers, who ask for it by running away.
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Postby Romextly » Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:19 pm

New haven america wrote:I vote the US goes full isolationist.

"That's stupid.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:25 pm

Romextly wrote:
New haven america wrote:I vote the US goes full isolationist.

"That's stupid.


Says the Catholic who is against pacifists but thinks all lives matter. What would you miss the most: brown people getting blown up on your TV, or being able to buy twice as much stuff with your paycheck?

Not that I think isolationism is good, but more economic independence would mean less urge to intervene around the world ... so a bit more isolation basically.
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Postby Romextly » Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:26 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Romextly wrote:"That's stupid.


Says the Catholic who is against pacifists but thinks all lives matter. What would you miss the most: brown people getting blown up on your TV, or being able to buy twice as much stuff with your paycheck?

Not that I think isolationism is good, but more economic independence would mean less urge to intervene around the world ... so a bit more isolation basically.

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Postby Resilient Acceleration » Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:33 pm

Dunno, I'm a wee bit uncomfortable at China taking the US's position as world police, even if only for half of the globe.

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Postby Stellar Colonies » Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:36 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:...

(unless the aliens are hot blue chicks, in which case you can consider me a collaborator. Sorry, fellow humans).

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Blue and green skin looks more weird than attractive. On the other hand, they are the go-to colors for describing our homeworld...

...and unfortunately, the power dynamics of nationstates will always result in some power being on top, unless held in check by others. Having a single country or faction be totally in charge allows them to abuse that power at the expense of others (as the British did before, the US have been doing recently, and China may do again in Asia and the Pacific as their PRC incarnation if they don't have to worry about the US breathing down their neck). Having multiple co-existing countries or factions is unstable and more easily results in major conflicts of interest which may or may not manifest as wars, which is rather unfortunate.

It would be nice if we could have a unipolar and genuinely benevolent global power running the world, but we certainly don't have the capacity for that, or the universal willingness to be governed by it even if it existed.

Even though the current, Western-built framework is not perfect and is certainly beginning to crumble, it may be the best current foundation to build a better version to #MakeThingsBetter, although that better system seems unlikely to happen with the Western foundation or not.

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Postby Adamede » Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:54 pm

Eh I’d rather we all just got along.

However I doubt that we’re long for the age of the American hyperpower being the sole top dog.

I don’t think that the US is going to fall from grace, but rather that we will see the return of the multipolar geopolitical world of the early 1900’s. So little world policemen who don’t like each other all that much.

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Postby Adamede » Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:54 pm

Resilient Acceleration wrote:Dunno, I'm a wee bit uncomfortable at China taking the US's position as world police, even if only for half of the globe.

Sucks for that half.

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Postby Resilient Acceleration » Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:37 pm

That being said, a world without a world police isn't much desireable either. Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia are already sponsoring disastrous proxy wars against each other in the Middle East, and will only get worse as US hegemony declines. Imperialism is bad, but viciously competing imperialisms are even worse, especially when the players are ruled by murderous thugs who don't claim to uphold human rights and liberal values.
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Resilient Acceleration wrote:Dunno, I'm a wee bit uncomfortable at China taking the US's position as world police, even if only for half of the globe.

Sucks for that half.

Even suckier when I'm on "that half".
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:05 pm

Sundiata wrote:Yeah, there should be global law, global law enforcement, a global judicial system, and global government.


...That is not what this thread is about. Please read the full OP next time.
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Stellar Colonies wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:...

(unless the aliens are hot blue chicks, in which case you can consider me a collaborator. Sorry, fellow humans).

...

Blue and green skin looks more weird than attractive.


Okay, wow, so I've never had an archenemy before. Kudos for being my first.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:12 pm

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Postby Sundiata » Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:13 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Yeah, there should be global law, global law enforcement, a global judicial system, and global government.


...That is not what this thread is about. Please read the full OP next time.

I did, I just don't have more to say for now.
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Postby A m e n r i a » Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:13 pm

Actually, for most of us, it's the other way around. USA is the world's bully. They go around exporting their shitty culture and try to erode traditional values, and they invade and/or destabilise countries for resources and to shove their retarded ideology on us.

So on the part that it's a bad thing, yes. It's a horrible thing. If course, I'd rather choose the greatest country in the world over them. China will save us from the menace that is America.
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Postby Odreria » Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:13 pm

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Postby Natangia » Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:17 pm

As an American, I find the "world police" moniker to be an all too accurate description of the United States' foreign policy since WW2, and one we ought to be ashamed of. For a nation which boasts of being "leader of the free world" and the "bastion of democracy", we have a terrible habit of propping up undemocratic regimes and only intervening in situations where our material interests are jeopardized.
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Postby Senkaku » Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:22 pm

well, we need someone, but letting individual states do it seems like a flawed approach for a whole lot of reasons... but I can't see the morass of international dysfunction that is the UN stepping up and becoming a viable option any time soon either, or anyone letting it even if it could

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Senkaku wrote:well, we need someone, but letting individual states do it seems like a flawed approach for a whole lot of reasons... but I can't see the morass of international dysfunction that is the UN stepping up and becoming a viable option any time soon either, or anyone letting it even if it could



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