Northumbrian/Northern nationalism: NOW A REALITY?

[Heloin]

In a previous thread I believe he stated that they’d make Norway subsidise them.

He also plans to annex a ton of territorial waters in the North sea that belong to other nations and take the oil there.

A truly flawless plan, I can see no possible flaws in it.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

more than ten thousand followers on Twitter,

So less than 5% of the followers amassed by 'Gators Daily', a niche meme account that celebrates crocodilians and popularized Flat Fuck Friday. Truly, it's breaking in to the mainstream.

That account has been running for over a year and has worldwide appeal compared to Northumbrian independence.

[The Huskar Social Union]

"Right now" its never gona happen. Scotland nor the UK is ever going to give an independent Northumbria its capital city and a bunch of land because some Northern English people say so

Also UKIP doesnt exist any more mate in any way that matters. And as for the EU referendum thats not really comparable when the answers are "Yes/No" as opposed to "Conservative/Labour/Liberal Democrats/Greens/Insert local party here"

Also if you are looking at Brexit and going "Yeah we should do that!" then Sigmar have Mercy on you.

As I said, this movement is about the independence of the Northumbrian areas currently in England.

No, I'm using Brexit as an example of a party that, while it didn't win under FPTP, forced its policies to get a referendum which then passed. There was also a time in the 1970s when Scottish independence was seen as possible when the SNP made a breakthrough even despite FPTP (and given the current circumstances such a breakthrough could easily be repeated here with Northumbrian nationalism and the Northern Independence Party).

Difference is there is a far far larger bastion of support for Scottish Independence (as it is across the entirety of Scotland) than there is for Northumbrian Independence.

Everyone of these threads you make you keep making these big sweeping comments about how all these regions are going to secede when there is no basis/support for it whatsoever in those places.

[Ideal Britain]

In a previous thread I believe he stated that they’d make Norway subsidise them.

He also plans to annex a ton of territorial waters in the North sea that belong to other nations and take the oil there.

So like George Bush?

[The New California Republic]

Didn't the Mods ban you from ever establishing a new thread for this stupid concept of the North-East of England gaining independence?

No, they didn't.

Yes they did:

Munk, do not repost.

[Ideal Britain]

No, they didn't.

Yes they did:

Munk, do not repost.

True but this is new circumstances: Northumbrian Independence has been covered in the mainstream press. It's a documented phenomenon now. (albeit a niche one).

[Nationalist Northumbria]

It's up to the people of the historically Northumbrian areas in southern Scotland to decide.

Cornwall will become a Soviet People’s Republic before that happens.

Cool. As I said, it's up to them.

Northumbrian nationalism does not exist outside of Northumberland.

Except it does. The founder of the party, for instance, is from County Durham.

In a previous thread I believe he stated that they’d make Norway subsidise them.

He also plans to annex a ton of territorial waters in the North sea that belong to other nations and take the oil there.

You're talking about stuff from over a year ago. Can we please talk about the current proposals for Northumbrian independence? You can see many of the details in the links provided in the OP.

[Celritannia]

Northumbrian nationalism does not exist outside of Northumberland.

Does German nationalism exist outside Germany? French nationalism outside France?

This has nothing to do with the argument.
Yorkshire does not see itself as Northumbrian. It hasn't for 1,500 years. Neither does the North-West.
So the argument is stupid.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Its not happening mate, your best bet is to push for devolution again. But less than 30% of people voted in favour of that in back in 2004 so you have some work ahead of you.

[Celritannia]

Cornwall will become a Soviet People’s Republic before that happens.

Cool. As I said, it's up to them.

Northumbrian nationalism does not exist outside of Northumberland.

Except it does. The founder of the party, for instance, is from County Durham.

County Durham is on the North-West, so that makes some sense.
But that's just one person.
Yorkshire has a vast cultural identity that is not part of this ancient kingdom you keep spouting.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

No, they didn't.

Yes they did:

Munk, do not repost.

First of all, couldn't remember. Second of all, I think circumstances have changed significantly. As Ideal Britain says, we've even got press coverage! Now, I don't know where you're from in the UK, but you should support Northumbrian independence.

"The Northern Independence Party welcomes all progressive Engish who wish to dedicate themselves to building a free, autonomous and egalitarian Northern Republic.

Stop dreaming of New Zealand and come to Middlesbrough. A New Jerusalem begins North of the Humber!

Join us"

[Ideal Britain]

Does German nationalism exist outside Germany? French nationalism outside France?

This has nothing to do with the argument.
Yorkshire does not see itself as Northumbrian. It hasn't for 1,500 years. Neither does the North-West.
So the argument is stupid.

I disagree with Northumbrian nationalism for the Yorkshire reason. Britain might be an unrepresentative majority for the North but the North doesn't represent Yorkshire, might not represent the Muslims of the North etc.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

Its not happening mate, your best bet is to push for devolution again. But less than 30% of people voted in favour of that in back in 2004 so you have some work ahead of you.

This is about the whole North, not just the North East. And that loss was because the proposed devolution deal didn't have enough power and was seen as a white elephant. This is independence we're talking about. Do you really think the same circumstances would apply?

[Celritannia]

When you have actually statistics than all of the North wants to be independent, come back to me.
Because Yorkshire will not want to be part of a neo-Northumbria. Neither does the North-West.

Keir Starmer is wanting to federalise the UK, which I agree with.
And he is not appealing to the South, he is holding the Tories to account, which is his primary job for now. HE does not need to go into policies until near the election.

We'll be able to gauge public opinion with the 2021 local elections - or, as I said in the OP, maybe we'll get an opinion poll. A lot of supporters of Northumbrian independence, in fact most of them, come from Yorkshire or the North West. And I'm sorry but he is but that's really a discussion for the UK politics thread.

Please provide actual evidence to statics. Because you have only really posted blog pieces.

And Nothumbrian independence isn't a UK discussion topic?

[Nationalist Northumbria]

Does German nationalism exist outside Germany? French nationalism outside France?

This has nothing to do with the argument.
Yorkshire does not see itself as Northumbrian. It hasn't for 1,500 years. Neither does the North-West.
So the argument is stupid.

This Northumbrian identity is a Northern identity. People in Yorkshire and the North West do see themselves as Northern.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Its not happening mate, your best bet is to push for devolution again. But less than 30% of people voted in favour of that in back in 2004 so you have some work ahead of you.

This is about the whole North, not just the North East. And that loss was because the proposed devolution deal didn't have enough power and was seen as a white elephant. This is independence we're talking about. Do you really think the same circumstances would apply?

And the whole north doesnt want it

[Celritannia]

This has nothing to do with the argument.
Yorkshire does not see itself as Northumbrian. It hasn't for 1,500 years. Neither does the North-West.
So the argument is stupid.

I disagree with Northumbrian nationalism for the Yorkshire reason. Britain might be an unrepresentative majority for the North but the North doesn't represent Yorkshire, might not represent the Muslims of the North etc.

And people who want Northumbrian independence do not represent the largest Region of England.
Unless you have actual evidence, this is a pathetic and stupid claim.

[The New California Republic]

Yes they did:

First of all, couldn't remember.

I'm sure it'll get dealt with.

[The Huskar Social Union]

This has nothing to do with the argument.
Yorkshire does not see itself as Northumbrian. It hasn't for 1,500 years. Neither does the North-West.
So the argument is stupid.

This Northumbrian identity is a Northern identity. People in Yorkshire and the North West do see themselves as Northern.

Seeing themselves as Northern does not equal seeing themselves as Northumbrian.

[Heloin]

Its not happening mate, your best bet is to push for devolution again. But less than 30% of people voted in favour of that in back in 2004 so you have some work ahead of you.

This is about the whole North, not just the North East. And that loss was because the proposed devolution deal didn't have enough power and was seen as a white elephant. This is independence we're talking about. Do you really think the same circumstances would apply?

No. Independence is even less likely.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

We'll be able to gauge public opinion with the 2021 local elections - or, as I said in the OP, maybe we'll get an opinion poll. A lot of supporters of Northumbrian independence, in fact most of them, come from Yorkshire or the North West. And I'm sorry but he is but that's really a discussion for the UK politics thread.

Please provide actual evidence to statics. Because you have only really posted blog pieces.

And Nothumbrian independence isn't a UK discussion topic?

As I've said, we don't have any yet. The Northern Independence Party will be running in the 2021 local elections and we'll be able to get a basic idea then.

I think that given how much of an issue it has turned out to be it deserves a thread of its own.

[Celritannia]

This has nothing to do with the argument.
Yorkshire does not see itself as Northumbrian. It hasn't for 1,500 years. Neither does the North-West.
So the argument is stupid.

This Northumbrian identity is a Northern identity. People in Yorkshire and the North West do see themselves as Northern.

Northern, yes.
But that's different than saying "all the north should be in a neo-Northumbrian independent country", which is not accurate.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

This is about the whole North, not just the North East. And that loss was because the proposed devolution deal didn't have enough power and was seen as a white elephant. This is independence we're talking about. Do you really think the same circumstances would apply?

And the whole north doesnt want it

According to..?

I disagree with Northumbrian nationalism for the Yorkshire reason. Britain might be an unrepresentative majority for the North but the North doesn't represent Yorkshire, might not represent the Muslims of the North etc.

And people who want Northumbrian independence do not represent the largest Region of England.
Unless you have actual evidence, this is a pathetic and stupid claim.

I think that the broad support we've seen from all sections of Twitter is a representative sample of the population.

First of all, couldn't remember.

I'm sure it'll get dealt with.

There's no need to be like this.

This Northumbrian identity is a Northern identity. People in Yorkshire and the North West do see themselves as Northern.

Seeing themselves as Northern does not equal seeing themselves as Northumbrian.

We're using the two as synonyms. It's the Northern Independence Party after all.

[Celritannia]

Please provide actual evidence to statics. Because you have only really posted blog pieces.

And Nothumbrian independence isn't a UK discussion topic?

As I've said, we don't have any yet. The Northern Independence Party will be running in the 2021 local elections and we'll be able to get a basic idea then.

I think that given how much of an issue it has turned out to be it deserves a thread of its own.

IF there is no evidence why do you continue to post this nonsense?

The Yorkshire Party has been running since 2014. It has slightly more legitimacy than the NIP.
I highly doubt NIP will be seen as anything more than a nuisance party in Yorkshire.

[The Huskar Social Union]

And the whole north doesnt want it

According to..?

The colossal lack of evidence that suggest they do. Polling, media following, common sense, the people that actually live there etc

Seeing themselves as Northern does not equal seeing themselves as Northumbrian.

We're using the two as synonyms. It's the Northern Independence Party after all.

No YOU are using them as Synonyms, that doesnt make them the same thing.

FFS this is dumb.