Northumbrian/Northern nationalism: NOW A REALITY?

[Andsed]

Okay so I did some math. In 2019(according to Wikipedia) the Tories got around 14 million votes in the general election. Their twitter page has around 500k followers. Diviiding 500k from 14 million gave me 28. So I am just going to say they got around 28 times their twitter followers. This is clearly not a rule but I am going to be using it as a baseline anyway cause I am lazy.

As mentioned before this Northern nationalist party has around 13k twitter followers. If we multiply that by 28 then we get around 364k people. A large amount of people but not a majority even if we just count the northeast. So even if we are extremely generous and, ignoring the likelyhood that many of those followers may not even be supporters or even live in the area, its still not even close to a majority. And the chances of there being 28 times the amount of followers on Twitter just hanging out is extremely slim. So this seems like a pretty clear fringe movement.

[The Archregimancy]

Yeah but they have 10k followers on twitter so take that you southerner

Wha are ye callin soothern, laddie?

[Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire]

Thing is, this hasn't come right after an election with a result that was very unpopular in the region seeking independence (see also: we're actually getting a lot of flak from London Labour-supporting people for being the 'Tory North' and the sort ). I think this and the Californian independence are very different things.

Northumbrian independence has the same prospects as Californian independence for the same reason: economy. Here in California, even though we're the largest economy by state in the United States, we still lack some critical necessities to maintain our massive population. In addition, California's economy is heavily reliant on technology and trade, two things that, without the rest of the US, wouldn't find such a vast market and would likely suffer. Northern England's prospects are even worse since, unlike California, it lost it's economic dominance over the south following the 20th century, and thus would likely suffer with independence in the reverse way that California would. Similar situations, opposite outcomes. That is what differentiates the two at heart. No more. No less.

Out of every response Nationalist Northumbria has done, this is the one post they still haven't responded to. The one that focuses on if it actually happened. Quite telling.

[Nuroblav]

Funny how NSG - and specifically these threads - are the only place I've heard of these movements.

As for the movement, as mentioned by SI-CE the north is a rather deprived area compared to the rest of the UK. Sure if it had been done when the North did dominate the economy you might have more luck, but it may not be beneficial unless you plan on changing the economic system.

[Ideal Britain]

Funny how NSG - and specifically these threads - are the only place I've heard of these movements.

As for the movement, as mentioned by SI-CE the north is a rather deprived area compared to the rest of the UK. Sure if it had been done when the North did dominate the economy you might have more luck, but it may not be beneficial unless you plan on changing the economic system.

I've read on this from other sources.

[Ideal Britain]

Okay so I did some math. In 2019(according to Wikipedia) the Tories got around 14 million votes in the general election. Their twitter page has around 500k followers. Diviiding 500k from 14 million gave me 28. So I am just going to say they got around 28 times their twitter followers. This is clearly not a rule but I am going to be using it as a baseline anyway cause I am lazy.

As mentioned before this Northern nationalist party has around 13k twitter followers. If we multiply that by 28 then we get around 364k people. A large amount of people but not a majority even if we just count the northeast. So even if we are extremely generous and, ignoring the likelyhood that many of those followers may not even be supporters or even live in the area, its still not even close to a majority. And the chances of there being 28 times the amount of followers on Twitter just hanging out is extremely slim. So this seems like a pretty clear fringe movement.

It's fringe but also notable (being covered in mainstream Manchester and Sunderland newspapers)

[Celritannia]

Okay so I did some math. In 2019(according to Wikipedia) the Tories got around 14 million votes in the general election. Their twitter page has around 500k followers. Diviiding 500k from 14 million gave me 28. So I am just going to say they got around 28 times their twitter followers. This is clearly not a rule but I am going to be using it as a baseline anyway cause I am lazy.

As mentioned before this Northern nationalist party has around 13k twitter followers. If we multiply that by 28 then we get around 364k people. A large amount of people but not a majority even if we just count the northeast. So even if we are extremely generous and, ignoring the likelyhood that many of those followers may not even be supporters or even live in the area, its still not even close to a majority. And the chances of there being 28 times the amount of followers on Twitter just hanging out is extremely slim. So this seems like a pretty clear fringe movement.

It's fringe but also notable (being covered in mainstream Manchester and Sunderland newspapers)

And as the independent mentioned, would fuck Yorkshire over.
So no thank you.

[Ideal Britain]

I believe in self-determination, If most Northumbrians wish to remain in Britain it should be done. If they want to leave then that should be done. I personally value Manchester is a scientific centre and value the North-East as a source of 1.soldiers and 2. Labour votes (in general) so I would rather they remain, but my wishes do not matter compared to the will of the Northern people.

[Vassenor]

Funny how NSG - and specifically these threads - are the only place I've heard of these movements.

As for the movement, as mentioned by SI-CE the north is a rather deprived area compared to the rest of the UK. Sure if it had been done when the North did dominate the economy you might have more luck, but it may not be beneficial unless you plan on changing the economic system.

I've read on this from other sources.

Name them.

[Ideal Britain]

I've read on this from other sources.

Name them.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... r-19122041 (the Sunderland one appears in the OP)

[Ideal Britain]

Name them.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... r-19122041 (the Sunderland one appears in the OP)

And this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_ ... ence_Party

[Celritannia]

I believe in self-determination, If most Northumbrians wish to remain in Britain it should be done. If they want to leave then that should be done. I personally value Manchester is a scientific centre and value the North-East as a source of 1.soldiers and 2. Labour votes (in general) so I would rather they remain, but my wishes do not matter compared to the will of the Northern people.

"Northumbria" does not mean Yorkshire, Lancashire, and Greater Manchester though.
So it would be difficult for those 3 to even consider in joining an independent country with little linking all of them.

[Vassenor]

Name them.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... r-19122041 (the Sunderland one appears in the OP)

So two acts of vandalism in a single city is proof of a massive political movement?

[Celritannia]

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... r-19122041 (the Sunderland one appears in the OP)

And this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_ ... ence_Party

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. The Manchester Evening News is reporting on the banner, it is not supporting a "United Northern England Independence Movement".

To quote the Wikipedia article:

It identifies the North with the historic Kingdom of Northumbria.[7]

So, no. Let's not force the majority of the North, i.e. Yorkshire, into something they do not want to because a few people from the North West say so.

[Ideal Britain]

And this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_ ... ence_Party

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. The Manchester Evening News is reporting on the banner, it is not supporting a "United Northern England Independence Movement".

To quote the Wikipedia article:

It identifies the North with the historic Kingdom of Northumbria.[7]

So, no. Let's not force the majority of the North, i.e. Yorkshire, into something they do not want to because a few people from the North West say so.

Much of Yorkshire was part of the Anglo-Saxon Kingdom of Northumbria but I agree with you.

[Celritannia]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. The Manchester Evening News is reporting on the banner, it is not supporting a "United Northern England Independence Movement".

To quote the Wikipedia article:


So, no. Let's not force the majority of the North, i.e. Yorkshire, into something they do not want to because a few people from the North West say so.

Much of Yorkshire was part of the Anglo-Saxon Kingdom of Northumbria but I agree with you.

A millennia ago.
But Yorkshire has developed to have its own identity, its own culture, and its own economy.

There is more of a chance Yorkshire to get it's own Parliament than Northumbria uniting and declaring independence.

[Andsed]

Okay so I did some math. In 2019(according to Wikipedia) the Tories got around 14 million votes in the general election. Their twitter page has around 500k followers. Diviiding 500k from 14 million gave me 28. So I am just going to say they got around 28 times their twitter followers. This is clearly not a rule but I am going to be using it as a baseline anyway cause I am lazy.

As mentioned before this Northern nationalist party has around 13k twitter followers. If we multiply that by 28 then we get around 364k people. A large amount of people but not a majority even if we just count the northeast. So even if we are extremely generous and, ignoring the likelyhood that many of those followers may not even be supporters or even live in the area, its still not even close to a majority. And the chances of there being 28 times the amount of followers on Twitter just hanging out is extremely slim. So this seems like a pretty clear fringe movement.

It's fringe but also notable (being covered in mainstream Manchester and Sunderland newspapers)

Being covered in a "mainstream" source does not make something notable. For this movement to be notable it needs to have a much larger base than it currently does, something I find highly unlikely.

[Vassenor]

Much of Yorkshire was part of the Anglo-Saxon Kingdom of Northumbria but I agree with you.

A millennia ago.
But Yorkshire has developed to have its own identity, its own culture, and its own economy.

...Return the old Norse lands to the Norsemen.

[Celritannia]

A millennia ago.
But Yorkshire has developed to have its own identity, its own culture, and its own economy.

...Return the old Norse lands to the Norsemen.

Well, Yorkshire was under Norse control, the Anglo-Saxon Kingdom of Northumbria lost their southern region.
Northumbria was never really truly united.

[The New California Republic]

Much of Yorkshire was part of the Anglo-Saxon Kingdom of Northumbria but I agree with you.

You left out the "1,000 years ago" part. Not really much excuse for you to leave that out buddy.

[The Black Forrest]

Northumbria? Isn’t that where all the Geordies are located?

[The Huskar Social Union]

A millennia ago.
But Yorkshire has developed to have its own identity, its own culture, and its own economy.

...Return the old Norse lands to the Norsemen.

RESTORE THE DANELAW

[Philjia]

Northumbria? Isn’t that where all the Geordies are located?

Only people from Tyneside are Geordies. People from Sunderland are Mackems. People from Durham, Teeside, and Northumberland don't get a special demonym.

[SD_Film Artists]

Northumbria? Isn’t that where all the Geordies are located?

I don't know, but it certainly sounds like one of those northern places with dog racing and "wherekin" men's clubs. I'm from Norfolk so like Wales we don't really get involved in the north/south game.

[North American Imperial State]

Northumbria? Isn’t that where all the Geordies are located?

Oh hell no

Northumbria? Isn’t that where all the Geordies are located?

Only people from Tyneside are Geordies. People from Sunderland are Mackems. People from Durham, Teeside, and Northumberland don't get a special demonym.

*Teesside