Northumbrian/Northern nationalism: NOW A REALITY?

[New haven america]

4th times a charm.

Are you just going to ignore the mass explosion in popular support for this?

From 1 supporter to 12 supporters.

Congrats, you just got the double digits.

[Thermodolia]

Are you just going to ignore the mass explosion in popular support for this?

From 1 supporter to 12 supporters.

Congrats, you just got the double digits.

But that’s a 1200% increase!!!

[Washington Resistance Army]

Forget Northumbria, when are we gonna let Mann, Kernow, Cyrmu and Alba be free?

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Northumbrian independence is about as likely as an asteroid, gamma ray burst, zombie virus, Yellowstone super eruption, alien invasion, the Sun going red giant and Skynet befalling the Earth all at the same time.

Are you just going to ignore the mass explosion in popular support for this?

From 1 supporter to 12 supporters.

Congrats, you just got the double digits.

12 supporters? Then this is done deal!

[Andsed]

Are you just going to ignore the mass explosion in popular support for this?

From 1 supporter to 12 supporters.

Congrats, you just got the double digits.

IIRC aren't there like around 7 million people living in Northern England? If we take that 13k followers being used to support this idea of their being a large amount of support for it and multiply it by 20(which is very generous imo) that would only put it around 260k. Which is a lot but no where near a majority. And again that is being very generous. It is likely far lower than that. So this whole "independence movement" still seems pretty fringe ngl.

[The Reformed American Republic]

I see maybe a small movement that emerges and makes noise, but there are much more popular movements that fail, so I think this one will too, though I do think a New Northumbria would be cool.

[Esalia]

From 1 supporter to 12 supporters.

Congrats, you just got the double digits.

IIRC aren't there like around 7 million people living in Northern England? If we take that 13k followers being used to support this idea of their being a large amount of support for it and multiply it by 20(which is very generous imo) that would only put it around 260k. Which is a lot but no where near a majority. And again that is being very generous. It is likely far lower than that. So this whole "independence movement" still seems pretty fringe ngl.

If we go by Northumbria meaning "the entirety of the North" (a usage I've never encountered, as an anecdotal aside from somebody in the North of England), it's about 15 million. If by just the North East region, it's about 2.5 million.

So if we're being super generous by assuming 260k supporters and Northumbria just being the North East, that's about 10% support. If we're not (only 13k supporters out of 15 million, which is still pretty generous considering we can't be sure that the 13k actually support independence), that's <0.1%.

So, <0.1%-10% support depending on what is Northumbria and how generous we are with support. Yeah, I'd call that pretty fringe.

[Thermodolia]

Forget Northumbria, when are we gonna let Mann, Kernow, Cyrmu and Alba be free?

Seriously I’d rather to see a free Kernow, Mann, or Cyrmu before Northumbria

[Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire]

They said this about us Californians getting independence too, and look what happened. Those pro-independence Californians fell flat on their face.

I just don't see much coming out of this.

Thing is, this hasn't come right after an election with a result that was very unpopular in the region seeking independence (see also: we're actually getting a lot of flak from London Labour-supporting people for being the 'Tory North' and the sort ). I think this and the Californian independence are very different things.

Northumbrian independence has the same prospects as Californian independence for the same reason: economy. Here in California, even though we're the largest economy by state in the United States, we still lack some critical necessities to maintain our massive population. In addition, California's economy is heavily reliant on technology and trade, two things that, without the rest of the US, wouldn't find such a vast market and would likely suffer. Northern England's prospects are even worse since, unlike California, it lost it's economic dominance over the south following the 20th century, and thus would likely suffer with independence in the reverse way that California would. Similar situations, opposite outcomes. That is what differentiates the two at heart. No more. No less.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

I've already addressed this one several times.

Then alter the title of the thread at least.

Done.

Y'know guys, because the North, the Midlands, Wales, and the South West are all suffering under Tory England, we should all unite:

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You're the one bringing up political borders from 1500 years ago, not us.

No.

Take your fanfic elsewhere Monk.

In this thread I have shown that there is in fact support for independence, something that has been denied by opponents of Northumbrian/Northern independence in the past. Are you going to address this, or insist that circumstances have not changed?

I'd also like to join in the mocking of Northumbrian independence.

It's deeply unfortunate that this appears to be the attitude of most people here. I was hoping we could have a reasonable discussion about the merits of Northumbrian independence in light of the fact that mass support has now been demonstrated.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

Oh, are we doing this again?

Circumstances have changed.

Northumbria has not existed for over a thousand years. I have seen no where near enough evidence to suggest the majority of people in the region want to bring it back. You can find a few thousand people who support fringe ideas pretty easily.

Nobody supports Northumbrian nationalism
Nobody supports Northumbrian nationalism except you
Northumbria is a dead country that hasn't existed for over a thousand years
Northumbria is a joke
There is no reason to identify as Northumbrian
A Northumbrian nationalist movement won't get anywhere
The Northumbrian nationalist movement won't get any attention
The Northumbrian nationalist movement will fizzle out after a few days
The Northumbrian nationalist movement won't get mainstream media attention
The Northumbrian nationalist movement won't appear on national news
The Northern Independence Party won't get 5k Twitter followers in less than a week
Nobody will actually support the Northern Independence Party in real life
The Northern Independence Party won't get 10k Twitter followers in less than a month
The mass support for Northumbrian/Northern independence from the 'ordinary people' sections of Twitter doesn't mean anything <- YOU ARE HERE
The Northern Independence Party won't win a single seat at the 2021 locals
The Northern Independence Party won't win a landslide at the 2021 locals
The Northern Independence Party won't win a single seat at the 2024 general election
The Northern Independence Party won't win a landslide in the North at the 2024 general election
The Northumbrian/Northern independence referendum will fail
Northumbrian independence will be stopped by a second referendum
"Northumbrian independence hasn't actually happened yet because..."

[Nationalist Northumbria]

Notice that it has received no coverage in the Hexham Courant, the beloved and endearingly crap newspaper that has devotedly and incompetently served Tynedale since 1864. Nor has this been mentioned in the slightly more legitimate Evening Chronicle or Newcastle Journal. Unsurprisingly, the only local newspaper to cover it is the Northern Echo, which covers Wearside and Teeside, because the founder of this ridiculous party is from County Durham. This is unsurprising because Durham is a very economically deprived area that was formerly the seat of power in the North East, but was wholly eclipsed by Newcastle and Sunderland in the 19th century, although the importance of the latter waned greatly in the industrial decline of the 1980s. This is not something that has any relevance or interest to anyone in the North East outside of a narrow band of people desperately clinging to the idea that the city of Durham might once again rise to be some kind of leader within the region, couched in a backwards looking view that refuses to acknowledge the realities of the modern political and economic landscape. It is beyond little England; it's little Durham. Regional devolution in the North East is best kept separated because Northumberland, Tyneside, Wearside and Teeside all have wildly differing needs that an unwieldy central authority wouldn't be able to cater for. What is actually required is proper investment in our county councils from Westminster, to provide the services necessary to allow each region to solve the problems that face it.

I'm sorry but this is not at all the case with the movement and I don't know where you got this from.

Lol this dude is back.

Are you going to ignore the support that has been demonstrated?

And its an ideology that deserves to be put down with extreme rhetorical prejudice whenever it rears its head anyway.

Why?

Are you just going to ignore the mass explosion in popular support for this?

From 1 supporter to 12 supporters.

Congrats, you just got the double digits.

More like thousands of people who have openly demonstrated their support, and a thousand who have registered as being willing to help out by campaigning IRL once the coronavirus is done.

From 1 supporter to 12 supporters.

Congrats, you just got the double digits.

IIRC aren't there like around 7 million people living in Northern England? If we take that 13k followers being used to support this idea of their being a large amount of support for it and multiply it by 20(which is very generous imo) that would only put it around 260k. Which is a lot but no where near a majority. And again that is being very generous. It is likely far lower than that. So this whole "independence movement" still seems pretty fringe ngl.

I think the closest comparison would actually be to the social media success UKIP saw in the runup to 2014.

[Vassenor]

More like thousands of people who have openly demonstrated their support, and a thousand who have registered as being willing to help out by campaigning IRL once the coronavirus is done.

I mean they followed a Twitter account. That's all it takes, right?

Pull the other one, it rings.

[Crysuko]

This is truly impressive. the sheer strength and coherence of this delusion

[The Free Joy State]

IIRC aren't there like around 7 million people living in Northern England? If we take that 13k followers being used to support this idea of their being a large amount of support for it and multiply it by 20(which is very generous imo) that would only put it around 260k. Which is a lot but no where near a majority. And again that is being very generous. It is likely far lower than that. So this whole "independence movement" still seems pretty fringe ngl.

I think the closest comparison would actually be to the social media success UKIP saw in the runup to 2014.

Which, in the next FPTP election in 2015 gained all of... one seat.

Much success.

And by 2017... no seats.

And I don't imagine this will be the same... erm... rip-roaring success. For a start, it would only be targeting the North (and there are plenty of local interest parties there that lose their deposit every election).

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

It's deeply unfortunate that this appears to be the attitude of most people here. I was hoping we could have a reasonable discussion about the merits of Northumbrian independence in light of the fact that mass support has now been demonstrated.

Yet you haven't listed any substantial merits on Northumbrian independence beyond your just wanting a medieval kingdom that hasn't existed in well over a millennium to gain independence for some reason.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

More like thousands of people who have openly demonstrated their support, and a thousand who have registered as being willing to help out by campaigning IRL once the coronavirus is done.

Still incredibly niche and not the "mass support" that you claim, we aren't seeing millions, or even hundreds of thousands, coming out in support of this.

[Roegerland]

Forget Northumbria, when are we gonna let Mann, Kernow, Cyrmu and Alba be free?

That's even funnier than Northumbrian independence

[Adamede]

If the UK falls apart I doubt Northern England is going to be the breaking point.

[Albrenia]

Just, why, though?

Besides making yourselves smaller and weaker, what goal is accomplished by dividing into a smaller piece?

[Crysuko]

Just, why, though?

Besides making yourselves smaller and weaker, what goal is accomplished by dividing into a smaller piece?

because it got some likes on twitter, theres some LARPers and allegedly a culture which he fails to elaborate on

[Pasong Tirad]

Oh, this again. Alright.

[Adamede]

Just, why, though?

Besides making yourselves smaller and weaker, what goal is accomplished by dividing into a smaller piece?

Some peole hate even the smallest and most minute differences in culture and politics and so want to burn the whole thing down.

[Albrenia]

Oh, this again. Alright.

I kind of like that we have certain weirdly specific topics which occasionally pop up. Like dancing bees and bananas.

[Pasong Tirad]

Oh, this again. Alright.

I kind of like that we have certain weirdly specific topics which occasionally pop up. Like dancing bees and bananas.

It's like Haley's Comet or Old Faithful. You just know it's gonna pop up again one way or another.