Northumbrian/Northern nationalism: NOW A REALITY?

[Nationalist Northumbria]

Northumbrian nationalism has previously been mocked on NSG as having no supporters, as lacking support. But now, with the Northern Independence Party having launched just a month ago and now having more than ten thousand followers on Twitter, as well as having a thousand people registered to help out with the party, it seems as though they have been proven wrong. While you can argue that Twitter is not a representative sample of the population, we have been seeing mass support for Northumbrian independence on "football Twitter" and that's as representative of the Northern youth population as you can get.

There is now broad support for Northumbrian independence, from rightists dissatisfied with Westminster to leftists dissatisfied with Westminster. And "dissatisfied with Westminster" covers a lot of the people here right now, especially as UK PM Boris Johnson has just announced that the North will be stuck under the harshest coronavirus restrictions while worse afflicted areas in the South get off with much less.

The Northern Independence Party has already announced that they plan to stand candidates in the 2021 local elections. This will be a test of Northumbrian nationalism's popular support. But perhaps even before then we will get the opinion poll on independence so many demanded in the past?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQtWblsX7Cc - on radio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVKRl3pIpes - on ITV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CjEMC-TMr0 - a quick overview

https://twitter.com/FreeNorthNow - Twitter
https://www.redpepper.org.uk/the-case-f ... ependence/
https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/ ... ependence/
https://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/pol ... ed-3019241
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13603 ... litics-ont
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 81784.html
https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/read ... ea-3019280
https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7aadq/ ... devolution

Northumbria has a rich history. This ancient kingdom is in the process of being reborn. What are your thoughts, NSG? Personally, I completely support Northumbrian independence and I am proud of the Northumbrian people.

[Heloin]

4th times a charm.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

4th times a charm.

Are you just going to ignore the mass explosion in popular support for this?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Doubt it will get many votes and FPTP guarantees they will make no progress what so ever. Also lol at the idea Northumbria will just take parts of Scotland including its capital, not a chance.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

Doubt it will get many votes and FPTP guarantees they will make no progress what so ever. Also lol at the idea Northumbria will just take parts of Scotland including its capital, not a chance.

See UKIP and the EU referendum.

Nobody's advocating for that right now. We're focused on the independence of the parts currently in England.

[Heloin]

Doubt it will get many votes and FPTP guarantees they will make no progress what so ever. Also lol at the idea Northumbria will just take parts of Scotland including its capital, not a chance.

Nobody's advocating for that right now. We're focused on the independence of the parts currently in England.

“Right now.” It reassuring that in a push for greater regional autonomy, you already have plans for invading Scotland.

[Celritannia]

Didn't the Mods ban you from ever establishing a new thread for this stupid concept of the North-East of England gaining independence?

Shouldn't this really go in the UK politics thread (as much as I don't want it to be discussed more than it has been in there).

[Punished UMN]

way neyd er un cuntray. Am I saying that right?

[Celritannia]

Doubt it will get many votes and FPTP guarantees they will make no progress what so ever. Also lol at the idea Northumbria will just take parts of Scotland including its capital, not a chance.

See UKIP and the EU referendum.

Nobody's advocating for that right now. We're focused on the independence of the parts currently in England.

Who's the "we"?

[Nationalist Northumbria]

Nobody's advocating for that right now. We're focused on the independence of the parts currently in England.

“Right now.” It reassuring that in a push for greater regional autonomy, you already have plans for invading Scotland.

It's up to the people of the historically Northumbrian areas in southern Scotland to decide.

Didn't the Mods ban you from ever establishing a new thread for this stupid concept of the North-East of England gaining independence?

Shouldn't this really go in the UK politics thread (as much as I don't want it to be discussed more than it has been in there).

No, they didn't. And while I know we've had our differences in the past, I just want to remind you that you are a Northumbrian too (this is all of the North, not just the North East, and it's been all of the North from the start) and you are welcome to join us. Labour is no longer a viable party and under Starmer is focused on appealing to the South.

[Ideal Britain]

So people don't like restrictions to save the lives of the North's old people so much they create an independence movement? God Save The Queen!

[The Huskar Social Union]

Doubt it will get many votes and FPTP guarantees they will make no progress what so ever. Also lol at the idea Northumbria will just take parts of Scotland including its capital, not a chance.

See UKIP and the EU referendum.

Nobody's advocating for that right now. We're focused on the independence of the parts currently in England.

"Right now" its never gona happen. Scotland nor the UK is ever going to give an independent Northumbria its capital city and a bunch of land because some Northern English people say so

Also UKIP doesnt exist any more mate in any way that matters. And as for the EU referendum thats not really comparable when the answers are "Yes/No" as opposed to "Conservative/Labour/Liberal Democrats/Greens/Insert local party here"

Also if you are looking at Brexit and going "Yeah we should do that!" then Sigmar have Mercy on you.

[Ideal Britain]

“Right now.” It reassuring that in a push for greater regional autonomy, you already have plans for invading Scotland.

It's up to the people of the historically Northumbrian areas in southern Scotland to decide.

Didn't the Mods ban you from ever establishing a new thread for this stupid concept of the North-East of England gaining independence?

Shouldn't this really go in the UK politics thread (as much as I don't want it to be discussed more than it has been in there).

No, they didn't. And while I know we've had our differences in the past, I just want to remind you that you are a Northumbrian too (this is all of the North, not just the North East, and it's been all of the North from the start) and you are welcome to join us. Labour is no longer a viable party and under Starmer is focused on appealing to the South.

How is it no longer viable? Under Corbyn it was criticised as anti-military and unpatriotic. It is not these things under Sir Keir Starmer. Also whilst the "He hates the Army" stuff lost it working-class votes (and officer class ones), his economic policy lost him middle-class votes. How is Starmer "no longer viable" to the working and middle-classes?

[Nilokeras]

more than ten thousand followers on Twitter,

So less than 5% of the followers amassed by 'Gators Daily', a niche meme account that celebrates crocodilians and popularized Flat Fuck Friday. Truly, it's breaking in to the mainstream.

[Heloin]

“Right now.” It reassuring that in a push for greater regional autonomy, you already have plans for invading Scotland.

It's up to the people of the historically Northumbrian areas in southern Scotland to decide.

Cornwall will become a Soviet People’s Republic before that happens.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

So people don't like restrictions to save the lives of the North's old people so much they create an independence movement? God Save The Queen!

What an insulting attack.

No, it's about what Westminster has done. Look at what happened with Manchester and Andy Burnham. Not enough support when support was needed, then when we complained about that they cut the support even further. And that's continuing. And happening all over the North. If Northumbria was independent we would be able to protect all our people, including the elderly.

[Celritannia]

Didn't the Mods ban you from ever establishing a new thread for this stupid concept of the North-East of England gaining independence?

Shouldn't this really go in the UK politics thread (as much as I don't want it to be discussed more than it has been in there).

No, they didn't. And while I know we've had our differences in the past, I just want to remind you that you are a Northumbrian too (this is all of the North, not just the North East, and it's been all of the North from the start) and you are welcome to join us. Labour is no longer a viable party and under Starmer is focused on appealing to the South.

When you have actually statistics than all of the North wants to be independent, come back to me.
Because Yorkshire will not want to be part of a neo-Northumbria. Neither does the North-West.

Keir Starmer is wanting to federalise the UK, which I agree with.
And he is not appealing to the South, he is holding the Tories to account, which is his primary job for now. HE does not need to go into policies until near the election.

No, I am not a Northumbrian, I am a Yorkshireman. A 1,500 year old map does not make me identify as a Northumbrian.

[Mannixa Prime]

Well since I support the UK breaking up I wish the best of luck to you!

[Ideal Britain]

So people don't like restrictions to save the lives of the North's old people so much they create an independence movement? God Save The Queen!

What an insulting attack.

No, it's about what Westminster has done. Look at what happened with Manchester and Andy Burnham. Not enough support when support was needed, then when we complained about that they cut the support even further. And that's continuing. And happening all over the North. If Northumbria was independent we would be able to protect all our people, including the elderly.

Good point. But how would Northumbrian manufacturing compete with cheaper powers in Asia?

[Nationalist Northumbria]

See UKIP and the EU referendum.

Nobody's advocating for that right now. We're focused on the independence of the parts currently in England.

"Right now" its never gona happen. Scotland nor the UK is ever going to give an independent Northumbria its capital city and a bunch of land because some Northern English people say so

Also UKIP doesnt exist any more mate in any way that matters. And as for the EU referendum thats not really comparable when the answers are "Yes/No" as opposed to "Conservative/Labour/Liberal Democrats/Greens/Insert local party here"

Also if you are looking at Brexit and going "Yeah we should do that!" then Sigmar have Mercy on you.

As I said, this movement is about the independence of the Northumbrian areas currently in England.

No, I'm using Brexit as an example of a party that, while it didn't win under FPTP, forced its policies to get a referendum which then passed. There was also a time in the 1970s when Scottish independence was seen as possible when the SNP made a breakthrough even despite FPTP (and given the current circumstances such a breakthrough could easily be repeated here with Northumbrian nationalism and the Northern Independence Party).

[Heloin]

What an insulting attack.

No, it's about what Westminster has done. Look at what happened with Manchester and Andy Burnham. Not enough support when support was needed, then when we complained about that they cut the support even further. And that's continuing. And happening all over the North. If Northumbria was independent we would be able to protect all our people, including the elderly.

Good point. But how would Northumbrian manufacturing compete with cheaper powers in Asia?

In a previous thread I believe he stated that they’d make Norway subsidise them.

[Celritannia]

"Right now" its never gona happen. Scotland nor the UK is ever going to give an independent Northumbria its capital city and a bunch of land because some Northern English people say so

Also UKIP doesnt exist any more mate in any way that matters. And as for the EU referendum thats not really comparable when the answers are "Yes/No" as opposed to "Conservative/Labour/Liberal Democrats/Greens/Insert local party here"

Also if you are looking at Brexit and going "Yeah we should do that!" then Sigmar have Mercy on you.

As I said, this movement is about the independence of the Northumbrian areas currently in England.

No, I'm using Brexit as an example of a party that, while it didn't win under FPTP, forced its policies to get a referendum which then passed. There was also a time in the 1970s when Scottish independence was seen as possible when the SNP made a breakthrough even despite FPTP (and given the current circumstances such a breakthrough could easily be repeated here with Northumbrian nationalism and the Northern Independence Party).

Northumbrian nationalism does not exist outside of Northumberland.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Good point. But how would Northumbrian manufacturing compete with cheaper powers in Asia?

In a previous thread I believe he stated that they’d make Norway subsidise them.

He also plans to annex a ton of territorial waters in the North sea that belong to other nations and take the oil there.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

No, they didn't. And while I know we've had our differences in the past, I just want to remind you that you are a Northumbrian too (this is all of the North, not just the North East, and it's been all of the North from the start) and you are welcome to join us. Labour is no longer a viable party and under Starmer is focused on appealing to the South.

When you have actually statistics than all of the North wants to be independent, come back to me.
Because Yorkshire will not want to be part of a neo-Northumbria. Neither does the North-West.

Keir Starmer is wanting to federalise the UK, which I agree with.
And he is not appealing to the South, he is holding the Tories to account, which is his primary job for now. HE does not need to go into policies until near the election.

We'll be able to gauge public opinion with the 2021 local elections - or, as I said in the OP, maybe we'll get an opinion poll. A lot of supporters of Northumbrian independence, in fact most of them, come from Yorkshire or the North West. And I'm sorry but he is but that's really a discussion for the UK politics thread.

[Ideal Britain]

As I said, this movement is about the independence of the Northumbrian areas currently in England.

No, I'm using Brexit as an example of a party that, while it didn't win under FPTP, forced its policies to get a referendum which then passed. There was also a time in the 1970s when Scottish independence was seen as possible when the SNP made a breakthrough even despite FPTP (and given the current circumstances such a breakthrough could easily be repeated here with Northumbrian nationalism and the Northern Independence Party).

Northumbrian nationalism does not exist outside of Northumberland.

Does German nationalism exist outside Germany? French nationalism outside France?