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Postby Senkaku » Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:47 pm

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I explained why Iran would hold onto Al Qaeda members. I think it is even likely, given how Bin Laden was found in Pakistan and Mullah Omar died in that country as well. Maybe Iran has Al Zawahiri living in luxury.

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Orostan wrote:Iran has the right to all the nukes they want considering what the US has done and is doing to them.

Yes and if they used it on Israel or an Western nation, they will nuked into oblivion.

Mass genocide time (but it's cool because we're Americans) 8)
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Postby Senkaku » Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:50 pm

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Senkaku wrote:Israel bombing Hezbollah irritates the Iranians already; doing it right near Damascus seems like a bit of a slap in the face, and combined with an assassination of a top scientist, it seems pretty clear that they're sending Tehran a message (but I guess if you want to stick your head into some Zionist sand and pretend that isn't what's happening, go ahead)

Yes I'm sure-- the Israelis are famous for their discretion and precision when striking populated areas, just ask the people of Gaza!

Why is it so significant that it happened near Damascus? That may irritate the Syrians, but not sure why that's so significant to Iran.

Tehran supports the Assad government
And while the assassination of Brig. Gen. Mohsen Fakhrizadeh will of course be a message, the airstrike just isn't a part of it.

If you're in the Iranian crisis bunker or whatever in Tehran, and you're told that in the span of two days the Israelis have bombed militant camps you support next to the capital of a regime you support, and killed your top nuclear scientist, what would your interpretation be? They didn't have to schedule the strikes to immediately precede the assassination, but they did, so it's not unreasonable to assume they did so intentionally.

Any source that there was collateral damage in this case? Or is it just your preconceived notion that there must be?

I was trying to ask you the same question but I see my assumptions of comprehension were too generous, I'll remember to just get to the point with you in the future
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Postby Senkaku » Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:53 pm

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Senkaku wrote:And now the Israelis are paving the fucking way for him to do it, by bombing Damascus and killing a scientist to try and force Tehran to retaliate, which could then be used by the US to justify heavier attacks against Iran... I can't believe that sick fuck Bibi is up for the fucking Peace Prize.

The thread on the forums here is deceptive. They didn't bomb Damascus. They used a targeted strike that killed 19 pro-Iran militia fighters (probably Hezbollah) and some of their equipment outside a village.

I'm sure that distinction will be incredibly meaningful to Iranian leaders dealing with said airstrikes and a major assassination in the span of like a day, you're right, I'm sure Tehran will write this off as no big deal, totally unrelated, and not at all worthy of a response!
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Postby Neanderthaland » Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:54 pm

Has Israel actually admitted culpability? Because this seems like it could just as easily be Saudi Arabia.
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Postby Senkaku » Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:55 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:Has Israel actually admitted culpability? Because this seems like it could just as easily be Saudi Arabia.

My assumption was that Israel was more likely because they're more prepared for a war, the Saudis have been in over the head in Yemen for years and I doubt they'd want the US to open a second front (especially with the economic troubles resulting from low oil prices)
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Postby Saiwania » Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:58 pm

Senkaku wrote:And maybe I have a billion dollars left to me by a mysterious old Taiwanese man in a trust fund that will be revealed to me when I turn thirty, who knows! Speculating about things is fun isn't it


I'm sure the people who suspected that Nazis that escaped to Argentina were dismissed, when in fact that is exactly what many former Nazis did, with a lot being able to never get caught or found until after their natural death.

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Postby Neanderthaland » Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:58 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Has Israel actually admitted culpability? Because this seems like it could just as easily be Saudi Arabia.

My assumption was that Israel was more likely because they're more prepared for a war, the Saudis have been in over the head in Yemen for years and I doubt they'd want the US to open a second front (especially with the economic troubles resulting from low oil prices)

I think the assumption is that this will not result in a war. And that would be the case no matter who was responsible.
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Postby Pope Saint Peter the Apostle » Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:58 pm

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Pope Saint Peter the Apostle wrote:Why is it so significant that it happened near Damascus? That may irritate the Syrians, but not sure why that's so significant to Iran.

Tehran supports the Assad government
And while the assassination of Brig. Gen. Mohsen Fakhrizadeh will of course be a message, the airstrike just isn't a part of it.

If you're in the Iranian crisis bunker or whatever in Tehran, and you're told that in the span of two days the Israelis have bombed militant camps you support next to the capital of a regime you support, and killed your top nuclear scientist, what would your interpretation be? They didn't have to schedule the strikes to immediately precede the assassination, but they did, so it's not unreasonable to assume they did so intentionally.

Any source that there was collateral damage in this case? Or is it just your preconceived notion that there must be?

I was trying to ask you the same question but I see my assumptions of comprehension were too generous, I'll remember to just get to the point with you in the future

Given the frequency of targeted bombings, I doubt the bombing will itself be seen as something of particular interest.

As to collateral damage, Syrian state media reported only "material losses" but did not specify. According to Al Jazeera and the Times of Israel, the only deaths appear to be Hezbollah fighters and possibly a small number of Syrian soldiers. None of them reported collateral damage, nor did Syrian state media, who would normally push any sort of collateral damage into their news stories.
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Postby Pope Saint Peter the Apostle » Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:00 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:Has Israel actually admitted culpability? Because this seems like it could just as easily be Saudi Arabia.

"Three intelligence officials" told the NYTimes it was Israel. Wouldn't be surprised if the KSA had foreknowledge.
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Postby Brulave » Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:03 pm

Mannixa Prime wrote:https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2020/11/25/report-israeli-military-braces-for-possibility-trump-attacks-iran-in-final-days-of-presidency/amp/

Well if this report is true the Middle East will suffer even more as the possibility of war with Iran will bring chaos on an untold scale. So far Forbes and Fox News (gross I know) are the two biggest sources I could find but outlets big and small are continuing to swirl rumors around.

So my question is NSG is war with Iran possible in the waning days of the Trump presidency? Will America and Israel go from trying to destabilize Iran to outright invading it?

Personally I think it is very likely, the world is focused on COVID right now and Iran itself has been hit hard by the pandemic. Israel has been stepping up its attacks on Syria and Palestine and we all know they are not afraid to use their military.

Russia, a close ally of Iran is also preoccupied with the Armenia situation.

Either way, with neoconservatives and neoliberals firmly entrenched in both major American political parties the prospect of a peaceful situation (if these rumors are true) is very unlikely.

And finally let us not forget the biggest wildcard of them all. A desperate, unstable, incompetent and isolated President Donald Trump. This might be the perfect opportunity for him to seize an excuse to remain in office and provide a distraction from his various and damning legal issues.


You do have to remember that Russia has a massive military and easy access to Iran via the Caspian Sea. However, Russia has no coast or ports on the Mediterranean so a military attack on Israel will be extremely hard. They can go through the Bosphorous but Turkey probably won't let them. This probably wouldn't lead to world war. It would be rather isolated. If UN peacekeeping forces get involved, then it may lead to world war however. Nukes also probably wouldn't be used as everyone knows the effects of nuclear war but nuclear war isn't out of the question.

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Postby Neanderthaland » Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:04 pm

Pope Saint Peter the Apostle wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Has Israel actually admitted culpability? Because this seems like it could just as easily be Saudi Arabia.

"Three intelligence officials" told the NYTimes it was Israel. Wouldn't be surprised if the KSA had foreknowledge.

Okay. Probably them then.

I mean, there's a short list of like 5 nations who might do something like this. And KSA and Israel are the most likely. But I didn't want to assume.
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Postby The Restored Danelaw » Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:17 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:I hate this year so much.

We started January with the execution of an IRGC terrorist. Apparently we're ending November with another. Not sure why you expected something like this not to happen tbh.
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Postby American Pere Housh » Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:39 pm

Mannixa Prime wrote:https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2020/11/25/report-israeli-military-braces-for-possibility-trump-attacks-iran-in-final-days-of-presidency/amp/

Well if this report is true the Middle East will suffer even more as the possibility of war with Iran will bring chaos on an untold scale. So far Forbes and Fox News (gross I know) are the two biggest sources I could find but outlets big and small are continuing to swirl rumors around.

So my question is NSG is war with Iran possible in the waning days of the Trump presidency? Will America and Israel go from trying to destabilize Iran to outright invading it?

Personally I think it is very likely, the world is focused on COVID right now and Iran itself has been hit hard by the pandemic. Israel has been stepping up its attacks on Syria and Palestine and we all know they are not afraid to use their military.

Russia, a close ally of Iran is also preoccupied with the Armenia situation.

Either way, with neoconservatives and neoliberals firmly entrenched in both major American political parties the prospect of a peaceful situation (if these rumors are true) is very unlikely.

And finally let us not forget the biggest wildcard of them all. A desperate, unstable, incompetent and isolated President Donald Trump. This might be the perfect opportunity for him to seize an excuse to remain in office and provide a distraction from his various and damning legal issues.

Yeah what proof that the United States or Israel is behind the assassination?
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American Pere Housh wrote:
Mannixa Prime wrote:https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2020/11/25/report-israeli-military-braces-for-possibility-trump-attacks-iran-in-final-days-of-presidency/amp/

Well if this report is true the Middle East will suffer even more as the possibility of war with Iran will bring chaos on an untold scale. So far Forbes and Fox News (gross I know) are the two biggest sources I could find but outlets big and small are continuing to swirl rumors around.

So my question is NSG is war with Iran possible in the waning days of the Trump presidency? Will America and Israel go from trying to destabilize Iran to outright invading it?

Personally I think it is very likely, the world is focused on COVID right now and Iran itself has been hit hard by the pandemic. Israel has been stepping up its attacks on Syria and Palestine and we all know they are not afraid to use their military.

Russia, a close ally of Iran is also preoccupied with the Armenia situation.

Either way, with neoconservatives and neoliberals firmly entrenched in both major American political parties the prospect of a peaceful situation (if these rumors are true) is very unlikely.

And finally let us not forget the biggest wildcard of them all. A desperate, unstable, incompetent and isolated President Donald Trump. This might be the perfect opportunity for him to seize an excuse to remain in office and provide a distraction from his various and damning legal issues.

Yeah what proof that the United States or Israel is behind the assassination?


Common sense?
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Postby Romextly » Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:32 pm

-Insaanistan- wrote:
American Pere Housh wrote:Yeah what proof that the United States or Israel is behind the assassination?


Common sense?

But like any solid proof?

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Romextly wrote:
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Common sense?

But like any solid proof?

Other than that, not really.
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Postby Romextly » Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:36 pm

-Insaanistan- wrote:
Romextly wrote:But like any solid proof?

Other than that, not really.

It's probably them but sadly no proof.

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Postby SD_Film Artists » Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:42 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:So many IR trolls on twitter right now


You mean trolls supporting the Islamic Republic? How exactly do you troll people after losing two figures of the IR establishment to assassination in a single year? "Ooohho you think you got us but actually we didn't want those two anyway, you zios have stupidly fallen into our long-game plan! Ha! Sucks to be you! We were one step ahead of you all the time lol lol lol..."
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Postby Rusozak » Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:44 pm

Romextly wrote:
-Insaanistan- wrote:Other than that, not really.

It's probably them but sadly no proof.


The US isn't really in the habit of discreetly killing high value targets in the middle east though. If it was America Trump would probably be tweeting about doing the best hit job ever or something.
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Postby American Pere Housh » Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:51 pm

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Kexholm Karelia wrote:So many IR trolls on twitter right now


You mean trolls supporting the Islamic Republic? How exactly do you troll people after losing two figures of the IR establishment to assassination in a single year? "Ooohho you think you got us but actually we didn't want those two anyway, you zios have stupidly fallen into our long-game plan! Ha! Sucks to be you! We were one step ahead of you all the time lol lol lol..."

That IRGC General was a terrorist that directly or indirectly caused the death of hundreds of American soldiers so he deserved his death. This scientist deserved it as well because if Iran suceeds in getting the bomb, they could use it bomb Israel,Saudi Arabia or any Western allied Gulf State which would cause the United States or Israel to retaliate with equal force.
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American Pere Housh wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:
You mean trolls supporting the Islamic Republic? How exactly do you troll people after losing two figures of the IR establishment to assassination in a single year? "Ooohho you think you got us but actually we didn't want those two anyway, you zios have stupidly fallen into our long-game plan! Ha! Sucks to be you! We were one step ahead of you all the time lol lol lol..."

That IRGC General was a terrorist that directly or indirectly caused the death of hundreds of American soldiers so he deserved his death. This scientist deserved it as well because if Iran suceeds in getting the bomb, they could use it bomb Israel,Saudi Arabia or any Western allied Gulf State which would cause the United States or Israel to retaliate with equal force.

But the US bombing countries and permanently destabilizing them is totally okay.
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Postby Xmara » Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:55 pm

So, what are the odds of WWIII happening?
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Postby Romextly » Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:56 pm

Xmara wrote:So, what are the odds of WWIII happening?

Very little. At least from Iran.
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