Israeli/American Strike on Iran? Now With Murdered Scientist

[The Reformed American Republic]

Does Iran really support Al-Qaeda, because that makes 0 sense to me. In any case, I’d bet (if I were a betting person) it was Israel or my country.

No. Al-Qaeda is Sunni, and Iran is Shia. They hate each other.

[Thermodolia]

I think Israel is trying to get some last minute Screw Up the Middle East events in before Biden takes office. Not that he’ll be much bette on this conflict.

Eh no. This is just more of the same in the Cold War between KSA and Israel against Iran

[Kexholm Karelia]

US or Israel? Or both together? I suppose it doesn't matter.

I can't wait to see all the jingoistic justifications for the murder of a civilian. That it's a totally different thing than if an Iranian assassin took out Elon Musk.

It sounds like you support Iran

[Senkaku]

This is fucking stupid. All it does is undercut the Biden administration's ability to negotiate putting the JCPOA back in place (or future negotiations about missile development), and risk dragging us into a war... which means I'm honestly not sure if it was the Israelis or us, could be either.

[Kexholm Karelia]

This is fucking stupid. All it does is undercut the Biden administration's ability to negotiate putting the JCPOA back in place (or future negotiations about missile development), and risk dragging us into a war... which means I'm honestly not sure if it was the Israelis or us, could be either.

War didn’t happen in January despite the WW3 fearmongering, why would it happen now

[Senkaku]

US or Israel? Or both together? I suppose it doesn't matter.

I can't wait to see all the jingoistic justifications for the murder of a civilian. That it's a totally different thing than if an Iranian assassin took out Elon Musk.

It sounds like you support Iran

"I don't approve of extrajudicial killings"
"SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU SUPPORT THE MULLAHS????"

jesus christ dude lmao

[Senkaku]

This is fucking stupid. All it does is undercut the Biden administration's ability to negotiate putting the JCPOA back in place (or future negotiations about missile development), and risk dragging us into a war... which means I'm honestly not sure if it was the Israelis or us, could be either.

War didn’t happen in January despite the WW3 fearmongering, why would it happen now

Because the Israelis are bombing Damascus and maybe assassinating scientists? Just because it didn't happen doesn't mean it couldn't that is the thought process of a three year old; "Mom yanked me away before I could burn myself, therefore the stove is not hot"

[Thermodolia]

This is fucking stupid. All it does is undercut the Biden administration's ability to negotiate putting the JCPOA back in place (or future negotiations about missile development), and risk dragging us into a war... which means I'm honestly not sure if it was the Israelis or us, could be either.

It was most definitely the Israelis. The US had nothing to do with this. And don’t think the Biden Administration would be against going to war with Iran. Dick Cheney is a member of the transition team mind you

[Senkaku]

This is fucking stupid. All it does is undercut the Biden administration's ability to negotiate putting the JCPOA back in place (or future negotiations about missile development), and risk dragging us into a war... which means I'm honestly not sure if it was the Israelis or us, could be either.

It was most definitely the Israelis. The US had nothing to do with this.

Trump seems perfectly willing to act as a foreign policy saboteur on his way out, so while I think the Israelis are more likely this wouldn't like shock me if it was us you know

And don’t think the Biden Administration would be against going to war with Iran. Dick Cheney is a member of the transition team mind you

Huh?

[Thermodolia]

War didn’t happen in January despite the WW3 fearmongering, why would it happen now

Because the Israelis are bombing Damascus and maybe assassinating scientists? Just because it didn't happen doesn't mean it couldn't that is the thought process of a three year old; "Mom yanked me away before I could burn myself, therefore the stove is not hot"

Israel wants Iran to escalate things. Iran isn’t going to plan into Israel and KSA’s plan. If Iran strikes back with an assassination of the prime Minister or defense staff or other high ranking persons Israel and KSA will run too the US begging for intervention.

Iran knows this. That’s why they’ll only respond with attacks like blowing up diplomats and lobbing missiles at Israel. Basic shit for Israel and nothing we would ever get involved in

[Senkaku]

And now the Israelis are paving the fucking way for him to do it, by bombing Damascus and killing a scientist to try and force Tehran to retaliate, which could then be used by the US to justify heavier attacks against Iran... I can't believe that sick fuck Bibi is up for the fucking Peace Prize.

[Terra and Mankind]

2020 at it again...

[Pope Saint Peter the Apostle]

And now the Israelis are paving the fucking way for him to do it, by bombing Damascus and killing a scientist to try and force Tehran to retaliate, which could then be used by the US to justify heavier attacks against Iran... I can't believe that sick fuck Bibi is up for the fucking Peace Prize.

The thread on the forums here is deceptive. They didn't bomb Damascus. They used a targeted strike that killed 19 pro-Iran militia fighters (probably Hezbollah) and some of their equipment outside a village.

[Thermodolia]

It was most definitely the Israelis. The US had nothing to do with this.

Trump seems perfectly willing to act as a foreign policy saboteur on his way out, so while I think the Israelis are more likely this wouldn't like shock me if it was us you know

It was the Israelis they pretty much admitted to the fact.

Besides we don’t generally like to use men on the ground to assassinate people, we generally prefer to use drones and for the targets to be as far from the homeland as possible

And don’t think the Biden Administration would be against going to war with Iran. Dick Cheney is a member of the transition team mind you

Huh?[/quote]
If you can’t understand what has been plainly stated then it’s your own fault.

Don’t think that an incoming Biden administration will be opposed to war with Iran, Dick Cheney along with hundreds of other war hawks all have roles in the transition team or advisors to the president elect

[Saiwania]

Does Iran really support Al-Qaeda, because that makes 0 sense to me. In any case, I’d bet (if I were a betting person) it was Israel or my country.

It isn't too impossible. Al Qaeda hates the US and Israel as much as Iran does. Iran can use any Al Qaeda they'd captured as bargaining chips or as assets depending on what happens. Diplomacy hasn't gone well with the US or Israel, so Iran would lean towards keeping them on as assets that can enable attacks in the future via Hezbollah or something else Iran controls. It is the same if not similar reason, for why Pakistan provides some safe haven for Taliban's leadership and ignored Bin Laden.

[Senkaku]

Because the Israelis are bombing Damascus and maybe assassinating scientists? Just because it didn't happen doesn't mean it couldn't that is the thought process of a three year old; "Mom yanked me away before I could burn myself, therefore the stove is not hot"

Israel wants Iran to escalate things. Iran isn’t going to plan into Israel and KSA’s plan. If Iran strikes back with an assassination of the prime Minister or defense staff or other high ranking persons Israel and KSA will run too the US begging for intervention.

Iran knows this. That’s why they’ll only respond with attacks like blowing up diplomats and lobbing missiles at Israel. Basic shit for Israel and nothing we would ever get involved in

How do we know it's not something we'll get involved in? If Netanyahu wants a war, and Trump wants to both look strong and hamstring Biden on his way out, forcing the Iranians to retaliate for this/the Damascus airstrikes seems like a great way to do it-- whatever retaliatory measures they take, Bibi and MBS can demand retaliation for them, the White House can use that as justification for some sort of escalation (probably missile or air strikes inside Iran), and then we're off to the races by the time Biden comes in.

And while I don't think they're going to kill any PMs or whatever, would you really be surprised if some Iranian leaders have lost their patience? I mean, we bailed on a deal they were adhering to, punished them as they continued to adhere to it, and now are punishing them for breaking it after we abandoned it-- their economy is getting crushed and we're either killing senior leadership figures ourselves or letting our allies do it. I can't see them just totally restraining themselves after their top nuclear scientist gets whacked.

[Pope Saint Peter the Apostle]

Israel wants Iran to escalate things. Iran isn’t going to plan into Israel and KSA’s plan. If Iran strikes back with an assassination of the prime Minister or defense staff or other high ranking persons Israel and KSA will run too the US begging for intervention.

Iran knows this. That’s why they’ll only respond with attacks like blowing up diplomats and lobbing missiles at Israel. Basic shit for Israel and nothing we would ever get involved in

How do we know it's not something we'll get involved in? If Netanyahu wants a war, and Trump wants to both look strong and hamstring Biden on his way out, forcing the Iranians to retaliate for this/the Damascus airstrikes seems like a great way to do it-- whatever retaliatory measures they take, Bibi and MBS can demand retaliation for them, the White House can use that as justification for some sort of escalation (probably missile or air strikes inside Iran), and then we're off to the races by the time Biden comes in.

And while I don't think they're going to kill any PMs or whatever, would you really be surprised if some Iranian leaders have lost their patience? I mean, we bailed on a deal they were adhering to, punished them as they continued to adhere to it, and now are punishing them for breaking it after we abandoned it-- their economy is getting crushed and we're either killing senior leadership figures ourselves or letting our allies do it. I can't see them just totally restraining themselves after their top nuclear scientist gets whacked.

I'm not sure why you're treating the "Damascus airstrikes", that took place south of Damascus, not in Damascus, as something signficant when it is a regular occurrence for Israel to use targeted strikes against Hezbollah terrorists. (There seems to be no collateral damage.)

[Senkaku]

Trump seems perfectly willing to act as a foreign policy saboteur on his way out, so while I think the Israelis are more likely this wouldn't like shock me if it was us you know

It was the Israelis they pretty much admitted to the fact.

Besides we don’t generally like to use men on the ground to assassinate people, we generally prefer to use drones and for the targets to be as far from the homeland as possible

Must've missed their press release or whatever since I just got up

And don’t think the Biden Administration would be against going to war with Iran. Dick Cheney is a member of the transition team mind you

Huh?

If you can’t understand what has been plainly stated then it’s your own fault.

Don’t think that an incoming Biden administration will be opposed to war with Iran, Dick Cheney along with hundreds of other war hawks all have roles in the transition team or advisors to the president elect[/quote]
I'm still sleepy, I just misread it and missed "against"

Also somehow missed Cheney being on the transition team but not a surprise

Anyways we agree, that's sorta my point-- if Trump starts it, Biden isn't going to really go looking for a way to settle things down

It isn't too impossible.

and it's not "too impossible" that Titania, the largest of the moons of Uranus, is made of Swiss cheese... but we happen to know that it isn't, even though it could be

[Thermodolia]

Israel wants Iran to escalate things. Iran isn’t going to plan into Israel and KSA’s plan. If Iran strikes back with an assassination of the prime Minister or defense staff or other high ranking persons Israel and KSA will run too the US begging for intervention.

Iran knows this. That’s why they’ll only respond with attacks like blowing up diplomats and lobbing missiles at Israel. Basic shit for Israel and nothing we would ever get involved in

How do we know it's not something we'll get involved in? If Netanyahu wants a war, and Trump wants to both look strong and hamstring Biden on his way out, forcing the Iranians to retaliate for this/the Damascus airstrikes seems like a great way to do it-- whatever retaliatory measures they take, Bibi and MBS can demand retaliation for them, the White House can use that as justification for some sort of escalation (probably missile or air strikes inside Iran), and then we're off to the races by the time Biden comes in.

And while I don't think they're going to kill any PMs or whatever, would you really be surprised if some Iranian leaders have lost their patience? I mean, we bailed on a deal they were adhering to, punished them as they continued to adhere to it, and now are punishing them for breaking it after we abandoned it-- their economy is getting crushed and we're either killing senior leadership figures ourselves or letting our allies do it. I can't see them just totally restraining themselves after their top nuclear scientist gets whacked.

They will. Because they know that the incoming administration will have no qualms about continuing or starting a war to remove them. Iran knows that if a war is started Biden is more than willing to finish it.

You’re taking the idea that Biden is opposed to war with Iran, which isn’t the case. Especially since Biden literally asked days after he was elected about his possible military options for Iran. Don’t think that Biden is going to be hamstrung by anything that’s going on right now

[Senkaku]

How do we know it's not something we'll get involved in? If Netanyahu wants a war, and Trump wants to both look strong and hamstring Biden on his way out, forcing the Iranians to retaliate for this/the Damascus airstrikes seems like a great way to do it-- whatever retaliatory measures they take, Bibi and MBS can demand retaliation for them, the White House can use that as justification for some sort of escalation (probably missile or air strikes inside Iran), and then we're off to the races by the time Biden comes in.

And while I don't think they're going to kill any PMs or whatever, would you really be surprised if some Iranian leaders have lost their patience? I mean, we bailed on a deal they were adhering to, punished them as they continued to adhere to it, and now are punishing them for breaking it after we abandoned it-- their economy is getting crushed and we're either killing senior leadership figures ourselves or letting our allies do it. I can't see them just totally restraining themselves after their top nuclear scientist gets whacked.

I'm not sure why you're treating the "Damascus airstrikes", that took place south of Damascus, not in Damascus, as something signficant when it is a regular occurrence for Israel to use targeted strikes against Hezbollah terrorists.

Israel bombing Hezbollah irritates the Iranians already; doing it right near Damascus seems like a bit of a slap in the face, and combined with an assassination of a top scientist, it seems pretty clear that they're sending Tehran a message (but I guess if you want to stick your head into some Zionist sand and pretend that isn't what's happening, go ahead)

(There seems to be no collateral damage.)

Yes I'm sure-- the Israelis are famous for their discretion and precision when striking populated areas, just ask the people of Gaza!

[Alcala-Cordel]

This is fucking stupid. All it does is undercut the Biden administration's ability to negotiate putting the JCPOA back in place (or future negotiations about missile development), and risk dragging us into a war... which means I'm honestly not sure if it was the Israelis or us, could be either.

It was most definitely the Israelis. The US had nothing to do with this. And don’t think the Biden Administration would be against going to war with Iran. Dick Cheney is a member of the transition team mind you

For those of you who thought we could push Biden left, here's more evidence you're wrong.

[Senkaku]

How do we know it's not something we'll get involved in? If Netanyahu wants a war, and Trump wants to both look strong and hamstring Biden on his way out, forcing the Iranians to retaliate for this/the Damascus airstrikes seems like a great way to do it-- whatever retaliatory measures they take, Bibi and MBS can demand retaliation for them, the White House can use that as justification for some sort of escalation (probably missile or air strikes inside Iran), and then we're off to the races by the time Biden comes in.

And while I don't think they're going to kill any PMs or whatever, would you really be surprised if some Iranian leaders have lost their patience? I mean, we bailed on a deal they were adhering to, punished them as they continued to adhere to it, and now are punishing them for breaking it after we abandoned it-- their economy is getting crushed and we're either killing senior leadership figures ourselves or letting our allies do it. I can't see them just totally restraining themselves after their top nuclear scientist gets whacked.

They will. Because they know that the incoming administration will have no qualms about continuing or starting a war to remove them. Iran knows that if a war is started Biden is more than willing to finish it.

I don't have full confidence that thinking that will stop them from doing something that Tel Aviv and Riyadh could use to get us to go to war, if that makes sense.

You’re taking the idea that Biden is opposed to war with Iran, which isn’t the case. Especially since Biden literally asked days after he was elected about his possible military options for Iran. Don’t think that Biden is going to be hamstrung by anything that’s going on right now

I'm taking the idea that he's more opposed to it than Trump, and certainly than Bibi or MBS, and wouldn't want to actively provoke one if he were in office. I don't think those are unreasonable assumptions-- and how would a literal war erupting at the very start of his term not hamstring him? That seems like it would be a dream come true for Trump, stick him with an expensive and unpopular (and probably very difficult) war and watch him burn time and political capital he doesn't have on it for four years

[Saiwania]

and it's not "too impossible" that Titania, the largest of the moons of Uranus, is made of Swiss cheese... but we happen to know that it isn't, even though it could be

I explained why Iran would hold onto Al Qaeda members. I think it is even likely, given how Bin Laden was found in Pakistan and Mullah Omar died in that country as well. Maybe Iran has Al Zawahiri living in luxury.

[American Pere Housh]

Iran has the right to all the nukes they want considering what the US has done and is doing to them.

Yes and if they used it on Israel or an Western nation, they will nuked into oblivion.

[Pope Saint Peter the Apostle]

I'm not sure why you're treating the "Damascus airstrikes", that took place south of Damascus, not in Damascus, as something signficant when it is a regular occurrence for Israel to use targeted strikes against Hezbollah terrorists.

Israel bombing Hezbollah irritates the Iranians already; doing it right near Damascus seems like a bit of a slap in the face, and combined with an assassination of a top scientist, it seems pretty clear that they're sending Tehran a message (but I guess if you want to stick your head into some Zionist sand and pretend that isn't what's happening, go ahead)

(There seems to be no collateral damage.)

Yes I'm sure-- the Israelis are famous for their discretion and precision when striking populated areas, just ask the people of Gaza!

Why is it so significant that it happened near Damascus? That may irritate the Syrians, but not sure why that's so significant to Iran. And while the assassination of Brig. Gen. Mohsen Fakhrizadeh will of course be a message, the airstrike just isn't a part of it.

Any source that there was collateral damage in this case? Or is it just your preconceived notion that there must be?