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Postby Kernen » Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:39 pm

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Sundiata wrote:It's not really a "big deal" per say. It's just that morally speaking, a child should be raised by a mother and father. Homosexuals aren't bad people or even poor parents with respect to physical or material concerns but material concerns aren't the end-all-be-all to people with concerns like mine. There's a larger agenda we're working on here.

Surely children growing up in orphanages, on the streets, or in bad/abusive households would be worse then, no? Why is there a great cry to fight homosexual parentage but barely a whisper on other issues that are more destructive for a child's upbringing? At least a household with homosexual parents offers some level of stability.

But not a moral upbringing. Which is apparently worth more than a loving environment.
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Postby Turelisa- » Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:41 pm

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You apparently conflate racism with both homophobia and moral opposition to homosexuality.

A racist thinks a black person is inferior based on his emotive reaction to his racial features and hates black people as an existential threat. His hatred is objectified in violence against black people, which is perversion.
A homophobic person thinks a homosexual is inferior based on his emotive reaction to his homosexual behaviour, and hates homosexuals as an existential threat. His hatred is objectified as violence against homosexuals, which is perversion.
A Christian thinks homosexual behaviour is an existential threat to the homosexual person and criticises their behaviour, which is perversion, because he is a Christian who hates perversion.

"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." -Matthew 7:1-5 (KJV)

"So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." -John 8:7 (KJV)

"There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?" -James 4:12 (KJV)

At no point, WHATSOEVER, does Christ condone casting judgment on others for their sins. Rather, He goes out of His way to express that we are NOT to do so. All this Holier-Than-Thou bullshit is completely and totally against Christ's doctrine, plain and simple. If people are committing sins, let God be the judge of that. It is not your place to force all to be Christian with fire and sword. Period. Christ's doctrine is one of love and tolerance, and forcing others to confirm has never been Christ's way. Whether your neighbor commits a sin or not is none of your concern.

There is nothing Christian about suppressing others for their beliefs. There never will be.


It's not judgmental to preach God's condemnation of homosexuality, which is expressed in Scripture (LEV 18 and 20; ROM 1:26–27; CORIN 6:9–11; 1; TIM 1:8–11) and where a society is blindly accepting of something which the Bible unequivocally condems, it is a Christian's duty to oppose it respectfully and peacefully. The Bible tells us to rebuke our neighbour (LEV 19:17)

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:42 pm

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San Lumen wrote:No it hasn't. Im still at a loss to understand why two men or woman being in love and getting married and possibly adopting children is such a big deal to people. How does it affect you in any way?

It's not really a "big deal" per say. It's just that morally speaking, a child should be raised by a mother and father. Homosexuals aren't bad people or even poor parents with respect to physical or material concerns but material concerns aren't the end-all-be-all to people with concerns like mine. There's a larger agenda we're working on here.

Why should they? I don’t understand what your issue is with same sex parents.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:43 pm

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San Lumen wrote:So as long as someone doesn’t act on said desires and lives a life completely alone it’s ok to you?

Not completely alone, no. Stop that.

Yet you don’t want them to be in a relationship or have children.

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Postby Atheris » Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:46 pm

Turelisa- wrote:
Kungsu wrote:"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." -Matthew 7:1-5 (KJV)

"So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." -John 8:7 (KJV)

"There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?" -James 4:12 (KJV)

At no point, WHATSOEVER, does Christ condone casting judgment on others for their sins. Rather, He goes out of His way to express that we are NOT to do so. All this Holier-Than-Thou bullshit is completely and totally against Christ's doctrine, plain and simple. If people are committing sins, let God be the judge of that. It is not your place to force all to be Christian with fire and sword. Period. Christ's doctrine is one of love and tolerance, and forcing others to confirm has never been Christ's way. Whether your neighbor commits a sin or not is none of your concern.

There is nothing Christian about suppressing others for their beliefs. There never will be.


It's not judgmental to preach God's condemnation of homosexuality, which is expressed in Scripture (LEV 18 and 20; ROM 1:26–27; CORIN 6:9–11; 1; TIM 1:8–11) and where a society is blindly accepting of something which the Bible unequivocally condems, it is a Christian's duty to oppose it respectfully and peacefully. The Bible tells us to rebuke our neighbour (LEV 19:17)

I've debated it before, and I will again.

LEV 18 and 20, ROM 1:26-27, CORIN 6:9-11, and TIM 1:8-11 were only read to mean homosexuality in Protestant adaptations after 1949 and in Catholic interpretations in the 60's, if I remember correctly. You can read more here or translate it from an accurate rendition of a 1912 German bible here!

The original renditions referred to older men having sex with younger men, also known as pedantry or pedophilia.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:49 pm

Turelisa- wrote:
Kungsu wrote:"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." -Matthew 7:1-5 (KJV)

"So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." -John 8:7 (KJV)

"There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?" -James 4:12 (KJV)

At no point, WHATSOEVER, does Christ condone casting judgment on others for their sins. Rather, He goes out of His way to express that we are NOT to do so. All this Holier-Than-Thou bullshit is completely and totally against Christ's doctrine, plain and simple. If people are committing sins, let God be the judge of that. It is not your place to force all to be Christian with fire and sword. Period. Christ's doctrine is one of love and tolerance, and forcing others to confirm has never been Christ's way. Whether your neighbor commits a sin or not is none of your concern.

There is nothing Christian about suppressing others for their beliefs. There never will be.


It's not judgmental to preach God's condemnation of homosexuality, which is expressed in Scripture (LEV 18 and 20; ROM 1:26–27; CORIN 6:9–11; 1; TIM 1:8–11) and where a society is blindly accepting of something which the Bible unequivocally condems, it is a Christian's duty to oppose it respectfully and peacefully. The Bible tells us to rebuke our neighbour (LEV 19:17)


God also condemns the eating of bacon (LEV 11).
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Postby Telconi » Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:49 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Not completely alone, no. Stop that.

Yet you don’t want them to be in a relationship or have children.


People can have friends.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:49 pm

Turelisa- wrote:
Kungsu wrote:"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." -Matthew 7:1-5 (KJV)

"So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." -John 8:7 (KJV)

"There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?" -James 4:12 (KJV)

At no point, WHATSOEVER, does Christ condone casting judgment on others for their sins. Rather, He goes out of His way to express that we are NOT to do so. All this Holier-Than-Thou bullshit is completely and totally against Christ's doctrine, plain and simple. If people are committing sins, let God be the judge of that. It is not your place to force all to be Christian with fire and sword. Period. Christ's doctrine is one of love and tolerance, and forcing others to confirm has never been Christ's way. Whether your neighbor commits a sin or not is none of your concern.

There is nothing Christian about suppressing others for their beliefs. There never will be.


It's not judgmental to preach God's condemnation of homosexuality, which is expressed in Scripture (LEV 18 and 20; ROM 1:26–27; CORIN 6:9–11; 1; TIM 1:8–11) and where a society is blindly accepting of something which the Bible unequivocally condems, it is a Christian's duty to oppose it respectfully and peacefully. The Bible tells us to rebuke our neighbour (LEV 19:17)


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Postby Turelisa- » Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:51 pm

I read the new Hebrew Bible, translated by Robert Alter.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:59 pm

Turelisa- wrote:I read the new Hebrew Bible, translated by Robert Alter.


And your point is?

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Postby Necroghastia » Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:10 pm

Turelisa- wrote:
Kungsu wrote:"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." -Matthew 7:1-5 (KJV)

"So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." -John 8:7 (KJV)

"There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?" -James 4:12 (KJV)

At no point, WHATSOEVER, does Christ condone casting judgment on others for their sins. Rather, He goes out of His way to express that we are NOT to do so. All this Holier-Than-Thou bullshit is completely and totally against Christ's doctrine, plain and simple. If people are committing sins, let God be the judge of that. It is not your place to force all to be Christian with fire and sword. Period. Christ's doctrine is one of love and tolerance, and forcing others to confirm has never been Christ's way. Whether your neighbor commits a sin or not is none of your concern.

There is nothing Christian about suppressing others for their beliefs. There never will be.


It's not judgmental to preach God's condemnation of homosexuality, which is expressed in Scripture (LEV 18 and 20; ROM 1:26–27; CORIN 6:9–11; 1; TIM 1:8–11) and where a society is blindly accepting of something which the Bible unequivocally condems, it is a Christian's duty to oppose it respectfully and peacefully. The Bible tells us to rebuke our neighbour (LEV 19:17)

And for what reason is it condemned? Have you considered perhaps that instead of society, it is Christians such as yourself who are blindly rejecting things without good reason?
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Postby Kungsu » Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:46 pm

Turelisa- wrote:
Kungsu wrote:"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." -Matthew 7:1-5 (KJV)

"So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." -John 8:7 (KJV)

"There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?" -James 4:12 (KJV)

At no point, WHATSOEVER, does Christ condone casting judgment on others for their sins. Rather, He goes out of His way to express that we are NOT to do so. All this Holier-Than-Thou bullshit is completely and totally against Christ's doctrine, plain and simple. If people are committing sins, let God be the judge of that. It is not your place to force all to be Christian with fire and sword. Period. Christ's doctrine is one of love and tolerance, and forcing others to confirm has never been Christ's way. Whether your neighbor commits a sin or not is none of your concern.

There is nothing Christian about suppressing others for their beliefs. There never will be.


It's not judgmental to preach God's condemnation of homosexuality, which is expressed in Scripture (LEV 18 and 20; ROM 1:26–27; CORIN 6:9–11; 1; TIM 1:8–11) and where a society is blindly accepting of something which the Bible unequivocally condems, it is a Christian's duty to oppose it respectfully and peacefully. The Bible tells us to rebuke our neighbour (LEV 19:17)

As many have already pointed out, the archaic and Judaic laws of Moses have been superseded by Christ's doctrine. No longer are we to follow the brutal laws of "an eye for an eye" but instead we have been instructed that the two greatest commandment are:

"[...] Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." -Matthew 22:34-40 (KJV) (Note how Christ does not put any stipulations on love {i.e. Love your neighbor, so long as they be not homosexual.})

And preaching is not the same as forcing one to conform to your beliefs. By all means, feel free to tell everyone how much homosexuality is a sin. But leave it out of legislation. In fact, Romans 14 covers this subject entirely:

"Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind." -Romans 14:1-5

So no. We are, in fact, taught to not force our beliefs onto others and to be compassionate, loving, and forgiving of those we perceive as sinful. Don't be so caught up in what others are preaching that you let Christ and the Bible go by the wayside.
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Postby Kernen » Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:01 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yet you don’t want them to be in a relationship or have children.


People can have friends.

A pale substitute for a partner and spouse.

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Kungsu wrote:"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." -Matthew 7:1-5 (KJV)

"So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." -John 8:7 (KJV)

"There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?" -James 4:12 (KJV)

At no point, WHATSOEVER, does Christ condone casting judgment on others for their sins. Rather, He goes out of His way to express that we are NOT to do so. All this Holier-Than-Thou bullshit is completely and totally against Christ's doctrine, plain and simple. If people are committing sins, let God be the judge of that. It is not your place to force all to be Christian with fire and sword. Period. Christ's doctrine is one of love and tolerance, and forcing others to confirm has never been Christ's way. Whether your neighbor commits a sin or not is none of your concern.

There is nothing Christian about suppressing others for their beliefs. There never will be.


It's not judgmental to preach God's condemnation of homosexuality, which is expressed in Scripture (LEV 18 and 20; ROM 1:26–27; CORIN 6:9–11; 1; TIM 1:8–11) and where a society is blindly accepting of something which the Bible unequivocally condems, it is a Christian's duty to oppose it respectfully and peacefully. The Bible tells us to rebuke our neighbour (LEV 19:17)


A strong argument in favor of not listening to our christian neighbors.
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Postby Commanarme » Thu Dec 03, 2020 3:55 pm

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There are people who have forsaken homosexuality and declare they're happier and more contented than before .

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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Thu Dec 03, 2020 3:57 pm

Authoritarian moralists who want to force their non-universally accepted morals on others need to get their own pillars and stay there. I mean, SJWs can get their SJstan where nobody is allowed to commit microaggressions or whatever. Devoted Catholics can have their Catholic pillar where no religion other than Catholicism is legal and Catholic economic and social teachings are strictly enforced. Nation of Islam can have their NOIstan where everyone must be black, follow NOI teachings and eat bean pies. Neo-Nazis can have their Micro Fourth Reich where everyone must be Aryan and they get to raise the Nazi flag and play Horst-Wessel-Lied every day.

The rest of humanity who are not interested in having these authoritarian things can have the rest of the land where individual freedom is respected. Freedom of speech should be protected regardless of whether others like it and nobody is allowed to be authoritarian of any kind.

Of course sufficiently dangerous places such as Micro Fourth Reich need to be capped from the sky and under the ground so that they won’t try to develop ethnobioweapons and start another Shoah outside the Reich. They also need to be kept at least 50 miles away from regular society.
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Postby Adamede » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:52 pm

Sundiata wrote:
San Lumen wrote:So as long as someone doesn’t act on said desires and lives a life completely alone it’s ok to you?

Not completely alone, no. Stop that.

Then what amount of alone is acceptable?
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:53 pm

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Sundiata wrote:Not completely alone, no. Stop that.

Then what amount of alone is acceptable?


I think the debate is pointless. Devoted Catholics need their own Internet. If they want to have a Latin version for everything so be it.

I said many many many many times that all issues are influenced by religion. Hence people with genuine religious difference pretty much couldn’t agree on a lot of issues due to religious differences. The nominal secularism in most of the English-speaking Internet have made the situation even weirder by curbing genuine religious debates. Hence religious people in order to defend their religion-induced stance on secular topics tend to make up secular defenses that they themselves do not necessarily actually believe at all. Since such defenses are often not what they even believe arguing over them is pointless.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:11 pm

Turelisa- wrote:A Christian thinks homosexual behaviour is an existential threat to the homosexual person and criticises their behaviour, which is perversion, because he is a Christian who hates perversion.

Kindly do not confuse all Christians with your particular beliefs, especially when a sizable majority believe homosexuality is not a sin and should be accepted (with the exception of the Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Pentecostals and Evangelical Prostestants -- although 51% of young Evangelical Protestants think it should be accepted, so that figure will change). Please and thank you.

Now, back to those children, whom research -- already cited -- shows do just as well in a same-sex household as their peers... There's no real reason to deprive them of families but that a small percentage of people wouldn't like it, which seems... insufficient. Really, really insufficient.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:15 pm

Adamede wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Not completely alone, no. Stop that.

Then what amount of alone is acceptable?

Id like to know as well.

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Postby Sundiata » Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:20 pm

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Sundiata wrote:Not completely alone, no. Stop that.

Then what amount of alone is acceptable?

Well, if it were up to me noone would feel alone.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:24 pm

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Adamede wrote:Then what amount of alone is acceptable?

Well, if it were up to me noone would feel alone.


Yet you don't want LGBT to be able get married or have children? Do you even want to allow them to be in relationship because that sounds like you want them to remain alone.

How are they not going to be alone if you arent going to allow those things?
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Postby Sundiata » Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:34 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Well, if it were up to me noone would feel alone.


Yet you don't want LGBT to be able get married or have children? Do you even want to allow them to be in relationship because that sounds like you want them to remain alone.

No. I want people to marry and have children within sacramental marriages and familial structures. That, or practice celibacy in its various forms. I want all people to be an active part of such communities. Beyond family, friendship, romance, there is a love to quote Dante, that "moves the sun and the other stars."
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:49 pm

Sundiata wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Yet you don't want LGBT to be able get married or have children? Do you even want to allow them to be in relationship because that sounds like you want them to remain alone.

No. I want people to marry and have children within sacramental marriages and familial structures. That, or practice celibacy in its various forms. I want all people to be an active part of such communities. Beyond family, friendship, romance, there is a love to quote Dante, that "moves the sun and the other stars."

I don’t follow. You therefore want to allow them to marry and adopt children?

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Postby Sundiata » Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:49 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Sundiata wrote:No. I want people to marry and have children within sacramental marriages and familial structures. That, or practice celibacy in its various forms. I want all people to be an active part of such communities. Beyond family, friendship, romance, there is a love to quote Dante, that "moves the sun and the other stars."

I don’t follow. You therefore want to allow them to marry and adopt children?

Yes, with people of the opposite sex or remain celibate if they so choose.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:51 pm

Sundiata wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I don’t follow. You therefore want to allow them to marry and adopt children?

Yes, with people of the opposite sex or remain celibate if they so choose.

So in other words marry someone they don’t love or never have any relations at all?
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