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Postby Celritannia » Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:46 pm

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That's just from your religion.
Which is why we cannot have one as the state religion.

We can have one religion but our means to that end must remain good.


Forcing LGBTQ+ to remain celibate, or forcing them into a straight marriage is not "remaining good"

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Postby Kannap » Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:47 pm

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Celritannia wrote:
That's just from your religion.
Which is why we cannot have one as the state religion.

We can have one religion but our means to that end must remain good.


By torturing and oppressing people, we shall achieve true goodness.
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Postby Sundiata » Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:48 pm

Adamede wrote:
Sundiata wrote:We can have one religion but our means to that end must remain good.

Literally cannot without killing everyone else.

Again, our means must remain good.
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:48 pm

Celritannia wrote:
Sundiata wrote:We can have one religion but our means to that end must remain good.


Forcing LGBTQ+ to remain celibate, or forcing them into a straight marriage is not "remaining good"

I love that they are still ignoring the harm they are doing to children.
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Postby Adamede » Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:49 pm

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Adamede wrote:Literally cannot without killing everyone else.

Again, our means must remain good.

Forcing people into loveless marriages isn’t good.
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Postby Kannap » Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:50 pm

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If I walk into your driveway and say I own your car, do I actually own your car?

Why does the Catholic church suddenly have ownership of marriage?

Because the Catholic Church is the church that Jesus founded and that St. Peter (the first Pope) is the rock of. Christ himself elevated marriage and its importance.


Sounds like a good enough reason to oppress people and be hateful towards people, I suppose. As Jesus commanded of course. Jesus sure encouraged hate and intolerance and being a vessel for harm.
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Postby Loben III » Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:50 pm

Adamede wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Again, our means must remain good.

Forcing people into loveless marriages isn’t good.


happens all the time, look at the divorce rate.
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:51 pm

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Adamede wrote:Forcing people into loveless marriages isn’t good.


happens all the time, look at the divorce rate.

I was not aware that everyone who divorced entered the marriage unwillingly.
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Postby Adamede » Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:51 pm

Loben III wrote:
Adamede wrote:Forcing people into loveless marriages isn’t good.


happens all the time, look at the divorce rate.

Murder and rape happen all the time too, does that make them good?

Just because something happens a lot doesn’t mean it should happen at all.
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Postby Kannap » Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:52 pm

Loben III wrote:
Adamede wrote:Forcing people into loveless marriages isn’t good.


happens all the time, look at the divorce rate.


I'd bet money the overwhelming majority of those people willingly got married, ya know, and weren't forced to do so.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:52 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Adamede wrote:Literally cannot without killing everyone else.

Again, our means must remain good.

Why should Lgbt people be forced to chose between two awful options neither of which will make them happy? It would cause misery and mental harm.

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Postby Loben III » Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:52 pm

Kannap wrote:
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happens all the time, look at the divorce rate.


I'd bet money the overwhelming majority of those people willingly got married, ya know, and weren't forced to do so.


emphasis on loveless marriage.
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Postby Celritannia » Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:53 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Adamede wrote:Literally cannot without killing everyone else.

Again, our means must remain good.


What you think is "good", is causing mental strain and depression for others.
This sort of thing happened a lot in our recent history, secretly gay men and women in loveless marriages who either ended up with their lovers in secret or drank to numb their depression.

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Postby Sundiata » Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:56 pm

Kannap wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Because the Catholic Church is the church that Jesus founded and that St. Peter (the first Pope) is the rock of. Christ himself elevated marriage and its importance.


Sounds like a good enough reason to oppress people and be hateful towards people, I suppose. As Jesus commanded of course. Jesus sure encouraged hate and intolerance and being a vessel for harm.

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Postby Loben III » Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:56 pm

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Sounds like a good enough reason to oppress people and be hateful towards people, I suppose. As Jesus commanded of course. Jesus sure encouraged hate and intolerance and being a vessel for harm.

Christ was not a politican.


nor was he a hippie, despite certain peoples ramblings.
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Postby Sundiata » Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:57 pm

Loben III wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Christ was not a politican.


nor was he a hippie, despite certain peoples ramblings.

Exactly.
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:58 pm

Sundiata wrote:
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Sounds like a good enough reason to oppress people and be hateful towards people, I suppose. As Jesus commanded of course. Jesus sure encouraged hate and intolerance and being a vessel for harm.

Christ was not a politican.

That is a lovely non-sequitur.
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Postby Kannap » Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:59 pm

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I'd bet money the overwhelming majority of those people willingly got married, ya know, and weren't forced to do so.


emphasis on loveless marriage.


Sundiata wants to force homosexuals to marry people of the opposite sex and procreate to find fulfillment.

The emphasis of the sentence was on the idea of being forced into a loveless marriage, not the loveless marriage itself.
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Postby Kannap » Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:59 pm

Sundiata wrote:
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Sounds like a good enough reason to oppress people and be hateful towards people, I suppose. As Jesus commanded of course. Jesus sure encouraged hate and intolerance and being a vessel for harm.

Christ was not a politican.


Not sure how that holds any relevance.
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Postby Necroghastia » Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:01 pm

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Necroghastia wrote:Do you honestly believe that a loving creator, that gave its creations free will and the capacity for reason, would rather they not exercise those gifts?

Reason is not to be utilized for its own narrow sake, but for the sake of sanctification. We have free will so we can adequately love God in return. It's a choice, ideally a reasonable choice to marry a man and woman.

And what makes that choice any more reasonable than a two women marrying? Two men? And that's without getting into NB people, as well...
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Postby Sundiata » Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:03 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Reason is not to be utilized for its own narrow sake, but for the sake of sanctification. We have free will so we can adequately love God in return. It's a choice, ideally a reasonable choice to marry a man and woman.

And what makes that choice any more reasonable than a two women marrying? Two men? And that's without getting into NB people, as well...

Easy and not so easy. Natural law in accordance with divine law and will.
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Postby Loben III » Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:04 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:And what makes that choice any more reasonable than a two women marrying? Two men? And that's without getting into NB people, as well...

Easy and not so easy. Natural law in accordance with divine law and will.


im going to have to stop you there.

what if the two men are married in accordance with civil law?
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:04 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:And what makes that choice any more reasonable than a two women marrying? Two men? And that's without getting into NB people, as well...

Easy and not so easy. Natural law in accordance with divine law.

Does not answer the question. You are still ignoring the harm you are doing to children, let alone to the same sex parents.
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Postby Sundiata » Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:08 pm

Loben III wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Easy and not so easy. Natural law in accordance with divine law and will.


im going to have to stop you there.

what if the two men are married in accordance with civil law?

Then the marriage is legally valid. Not divinely. I want marriages to be both divinely and legally valid.
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Postby Kannap » Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:08 pm

Loben III wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Easy and not so easy. Natural law in accordance with divine law and will.


im going to have to stop you there.

what if the two men are married in accordance with civil law?


That civil law is obviously incompatible and illegitimate in Sundiata's global Catholic theocracy.
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