Indiana AG: LGBT Parents should be stripped of Rights

[Celritannia]

That's just from your religion.
Which is why we cannot have one as the state religion.

We can have one religion but our means to that end must remain good.

Forcing LGBTQ+ to remain celibate, or forcing them into a straight marriage is not "remaining good"

[Kannap]

That's just from your religion.
Which is why we cannot have one as the state religion.

We can have one religion but our means to that end must remain good.

By torturing and oppressing people, we shall achieve true goodness.

[Sundiata]

We can have one religion but our means to that end must remain good.

Literally cannot without killing everyone else.

Again, our means must remain good.

[Neutraligon]

We can have one religion but our means to that end must remain good.

Forcing LGBTQ+ to remain celibate, or forcing them into a straight marriage is not "remaining good"

I love that they are still ignoring the harm they are doing to children.

[Adamede]

Literally cannot without killing everyone else.

Again, our means must remain good.

Forcing people into loveless marriages isn’t good.

[Kannap]

If I walk into your driveway and say I own your car, do I actually own your car?

Why does the Catholic church suddenly have ownership of marriage?

Because the Catholic Church is the church that Jesus founded and that St. Peter (the first Pope) is the rock of. Christ himself elevated marriage and its importance.

Sounds like a good enough reason to oppress people and be hateful towards people, I suppose. As Jesus commanded of course. Jesus sure encouraged hate and intolerance and being a vessel for harm.

[Loben III]

Again, our means must remain good.

Forcing people into loveless marriages isn’t good.

happens all the time, look at the divorce rate.

[Neutraligon]

Forcing people into loveless marriages isn’t good.

happens all the time, look at the divorce rate.

I was not aware that everyone who divorced entered the marriage unwillingly.

[Adamede]

Forcing people into loveless marriages isn’t good.

happens all the time, look at the divorce rate.

Murder and rape happen all the time too, does that make them good?

Just because something happens a lot doesn’t mean it should happen at all.

[Kannap]

Forcing people into loveless marriages isn’t good.

happens all the time, look at the divorce rate.

I'd bet money the overwhelming majority of those people willingly got married, ya know, and weren't forced to do so.

[San Lumen]

Literally cannot without killing everyone else.

Again, our means must remain good.

Why should Lgbt people be forced to chose between two awful options neither of which will make them happy? It would cause misery and mental harm.

[Loben III]

happens all the time, look at the divorce rate.

I'd bet money the overwhelming majority of those people willingly got married, ya know, and weren't forced to do so.

emphasis on loveless marriage.

[Celritannia]

Literally cannot without killing everyone else.

Again, our means must remain good.

What you think is "good", is causing mental strain and depression for others.
This sort of thing happened a lot in our recent history, secretly gay men and women in loveless marriages who either ended up with their lovers in secret or drank to numb their depression.

[Sundiata]

Because the Catholic Church is the church that Jesus founded and that St. Peter (the first Pope) is the rock of. Christ himself elevated marriage and its importance.

Sounds like a good enough reason to oppress people and be hateful towards people, I suppose. As Jesus commanded of course. Jesus sure encouraged hate and intolerance and being a vessel for harm.

Christ was not a politican.

[Loben III]

Sounds like a good enough reason to oppress people and be hateful towards people, I suppose. As Jesus commanded of course. Jesus sure encouraged hate and intolerance and being a vessel for harm.

Christ was not a politican.

nor was he a hippie, despite certain peoples ramblings.

[Sundiata]

Christ was not a politican.

nor was he a hippie, despite certain peoples ramblings.

Exactly.

[Neutraligon]

Sounds like a good enough reason to oppress people and be hateful towards people, I suppose. As Jesus commanded of course. Jesus sure encouraged hate and intolerance and being a vessel for harm.

Christ was not a politican.

That is a lovely non-sequitur.

[Kannap]

I'd bet money the overwhelming majority of those people willingly got married, ya know, and weren't forced to do so.

emphasis on loveless marriage.

Sundiata wants to force homosexuals to marry people of the opposite sex and procreate to find fulfillment.

The emphasis of the sentence was on the idea of being forced into a loveless marriage, not the loveless marriage itself.

[Kannap]

Sounds like a good enough reason to oppress people and be hateful towards people, I suppose. As Jesus commanded of course. Jesus sure encouraged hate and intolerance and being a vessel for harm.

Christ was not a politican.

Not sure how that holds any relevance.

[Necroghastia]

Do you honestly believe that a loving creator, that gave its creations free will and the capacity for reason, would rather they not exercise those gifts?

Reason is not to be utilized for its own narrow sake, but for the sake of sanctification. We have free will so we can adequately love God in return. It's a choice, ideally a reasonable choice to marry a man and woman.

And what makes that choice any more reasonable than a two women marrying? Two men? And that's without getting into NB people, as well...

[Sundiata]

Reason is not to be utilized for its own narrow sake, but for the sake of sanctification. We have free will so we can adequately love God in return. It's a choice, ideally a reasonable choice to marry a man and woman.

And what makes that choice any more reasonable than a two women marrying? Two men? And that's without getting into NB people, as well...

Easy and not so easy. Natural law in accordance with divine law and will.

[Loben III]

And what makes that choice any more reasonable than a two women marrying? Two men? And that's without getting into NB people, as well...

Easy and not so easy. Natural law in accordance with divine law and will.

im going to have to stop you there.

what if the two men are married in accordance with civil law?

[Neutraligon]

And what makes that choice any more reasonable than a two women marrying? Two men? And that's without getting into NB people, as well...

Easy and not so easy. Natural law in accordance with divine law.

Does not answer the question. You are still ignoring the harm you are doing to children, let alone to the same sex parents.

[Sundiata]

Easy and not so easy. Natural law in accordance with divine law and will.

im going to have to stop you there.

what if the two men are married in accordance with civil law?

Then the marriage is legally valid. Not divinely. I want marriages to be both divinely and legally valid.

[Kannap]

Easy and not so easy. Natural law in accordance with divine law and will.

im going to have to stop you there.

what if the two men are married in accordance with civil law?

That civil law is obviously incompatible and illegitimate in Sundiata's global Catholic theocracy.