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Postby Geneviev » Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:37 am

Turelisa- wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And you reasonably expect any Lgbt person to do that? Plus why should they have to?


There are people who have forsaken homosexuality and declare they're happier and more contented than before .

https://youtu.be/ckrxPyFrPdo

Okay, but why doesn't God make it possible for everyone to change? It's not guaranteed to work.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:39 am

Geneviev wrote:
Turelisa- wrote:
There are people who have forsaken homosexuality and declare they're happier and more contented than before .

https://youtu.be/ckrxPyFrPdo

Okay, but why doesn't God make it possible for everyone to change? It's not guaranteed to work.

And to be fair the vid guy is prob totes lying. I bet if you watched him like a hawk you'd find that he was meeting his bear after that interview.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:39 am

Turelisa- wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And you reasonably expect any Lgbt person to do that? Plus why should they have to?


There are people who have forsaken homosexuality and declare they're happier and more contented than before .

https://youtu.be/ckrxPyFrPdo


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Postby Esalia » Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:41 am

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Esalia wrote:I see functionally little difference between the homophobe and the Christian. If either of them get their way, gay people will be oppressed. That the Christian wraps up their hatred in patronising """care""" for the gay person changes nothing.

No man, no.

I am very hurt that you think this. Everyone, including people who experience same-sex attraction are valuable for being themselves. You make each day matter because you're you.

We like you for being you. That's sincere. Speaking as a Christian, the last thing we want is to lose you. We know it's not easy. But we love you, we really do love you, and most importantly God loves you.


(I should clarify up here: by Christian in my other post, I'm specifically talking about Christians with a "moral opposition" to homosexuality, and are willing to write that into law if they could. There's almost certainly Christian denominations that fall outside of that (i.e ones that aren't homophobic and don't wish to implement anything homophobic).)

You might genuinely not hate gay people (you at least say you don't). But, at the end of the day, an action done is an action done: a smashed window is still a smashed window, regardless of if it was broken on accident or on purpose. Anti-gay policies and beliefs are anti-gay policies and beliefs, regardless of if the holder is an out-and-out homophobe who genuinely hates gay people, or someone whose actions come from a place of claimed love.

I'm not necessarily calling you homophobic/anti-gay, nor your proposals/beliefs homophobic/anti-gay (though I'm also not saying they're not homophobic/anti-gay). Simply that it doesn't change the end result to me whether something anti-gay is motivated by a claimed love of gay people or an open hatred of gay people (or any other possible motivation): it's still homophobic.
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Postby Sundiata » Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:42 am

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Pride is sin.

All sins, past, present, and future, have been forgiven by God when he sent his son Jesus to die on the cross.

Also, the 7 Deadly Sins are made up Catholic bullshit.

Come on man, that's a really mean spirited thing to say. You're free to disagree with the teachings of my church but you don't have to be so rude, please.
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Postby Esalia » Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:44 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Okay, but why doesn't God make it possible for everyone to change? It's not guaranteed to work.

And to be fair the vid guy is prob totes lying. I bet if you watched him like a hawk you'd find that he was meeting his bear after that interview.


There's also the fact that, if we're allowing mostly-unverifiable anecdotes as a point (we can't exactly tell whether someone has genuinely "renounced homosexuality" and are genuinely happier for it, just by a potentially-biased video), there's a million and one anecdotes of gay people (or people of any sexuality other than straight) who are much happier now that they're no longer pretending that they're straight.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:48 am

Turelisa- wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And you reasonably expect any Lgbt person to do that? Plus why should they have to?


There are people who have forsaken homosexuality and declare they're happier and more contented than before .

https://youtu.be/ckrxPyFrPdo

Sorry but your going to have to do better than that. Plus you didn’t address my question.
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Postby Atheris » Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:51 am

Sundiata wrote:
Johto- wrote:All sins, past, present, and future, have been forgiven by God when he sent his son Jesus to die on the cross.

Also, the 7 Deadly Sins are made up Catholic bullshit.

Come on man, that's a really mean spirited thing to say. You're free to disagree with the teachings of my church but you don't have to be so rude, please.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm personally fine with a lot of things the Church does but the teachings of the Cardinal Sins alongside indulgences are blatant attempts at population control and extortion in a pseudo-cult manner that I hold no sympathy for.
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Postby Kungsu » Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:52 am

Turelisa- wrote:
Esalia wrote:
Yes. And?

What made you go "what on earth are you talking about?"



Harry S Truman is not infallible, and I do not care if you think you have respect for humanity.


You apparently conflate racism with both homophobia and moral opposition to homosexuality.

A racist thinks a black person is inferior based on his emotive reaction to his racial features and hates black people as an existential threat. His hatred is objectified in violence against black people, which is perversion.
A homophobic person thinks a homosexual is inferior based on his emotive reaction to his homosexual behaviour, and hates homosexuals as an existential threat. His hatred is objectified as violence against homosexuals, which is perversion.
A Christian thinks homosexual behaviour is an existential threat to the homosexual person and criticises their behaviour, which is perversion, because he is a Christian who hates perversion.

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"So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." -John 8:7 (KJV)

"There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?" -James 4:12 (KJV)

At no point, WHATSOEVER, does Christ condone casting judgment on others for their sins. Rather, He goes out of His way to express that we are NOT to do so. All this Holier-Than-Thou bullshit is completely and totally against Christ's doctrine, plain and simple. If people are committing sins, let God be the judge of that. It is not your place to force all to be Christian with fire and sword. Period. Christ's doctrine is one of love and tolerance, and forcing others to confirm has never been Christ's way. Whether your neighbor commits a sin or not is none of your concern.

There is nothing Christian about suppressing others for their beliefs. There never will be.
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Postby Geneviev » Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:55 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Okay, but why doesn't God make it possible for everyone to change? It's not guaranteed to work.

And to be fair the vid guy is prob totes lying. I bet if you watched him like a hawk you'd find that he was meeting his bear after that interview.

I don't know enough to assume that about him. But there are enough people who do have to lie.
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Postby Sundiata » Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:57 am

Atheris wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Come on man, that's a really mean spirited thing to say. You're free to disagree with the teachings of my church but you don't have to be so rude, please.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm personally fine with a lot of things the Church does but the teachings of the Cardinal Sins alongside indulgences are blatant attempts at population control and extortion in a pseudo-cult manner that I hold no sympathy for.

Ok, I would like to talk to you more about the history and teachings of the church that don't relate to the OP but this thread is not the place. Please see me in the Christian Discussion Thread if you have any further questions.

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Postby Kernen » Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:23 pm

Sundiata wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No it hasn't. Im still at a loss to understand why two men or woman being in love and getting married and possibly adopting children is such a big deal to people. How does it affect you in any way?

It's not really a "big deal" per say. It's just that morally speaking, a child should be raised by a mother and father. Homosexuals aren't bad people or even poor parents with respect to physical or material concerns but material concerns aren't the end-all-be-all to people with concerns like mine. There's a larger agenda we're working on here.

An antipathy against homosexuals if ever there was any. I don't appreciate homophobia being used as a catchall phrase, but since society elected to use it thusly, I gotta say how homophobic that is.
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Postby Kungsu » Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:29 pm

Sundiata wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No it hasn't. Im still at a loss to understand why two men or woman being in love and getting married and possibly adopting children is such a big deal to people. How does it affect you in any way?

It's not really a "big deal" per say. It's just that morally speaking, a child should be raised by a mother and father. Homosexuals aren't bad people or even poor parents with respect to physical or material concerns but material concerns aren't the end-all-be-all to people with concerns like mine. There's a larger agenda we're working on here.

Surely children growing up in orphanages, on the streets, or in bad/abusive households would be worse then, no? Why is there a great cry to fight homosexual parentage but barely a whisper on other issues that are more destructive for a child's upbringing? At least a household with homosexual parents offers some level of stability.
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Postby Kernen » Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:39 pm

Kungsu wrote:
Sundiata wrote:It's not really a "big deal" per say. It's just that morally speaking, a child should be raised by a mother and father. Homosexuals aren't bad people or even poor parents with respect to physical or material concerns but material concerns aren't the end-all-be-all to people with concerns like mine. There's a larger agenda we're working on here.

Surely children growing up in orphanages, on the streets, or in bad/abusive households would be worse then, no? Why is there a great cry to fight homosexual parentage but barely a whisper on other issues that are more destructive for a child's upbringing? At least a household with homosexual parents offers some level of stability.

But not a moral upbringing. Which is apparently worth more than a loving environment.
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You apparently conflate racism with both homophobia and moral opposition to homosexuality.

A racist thinks a black person is inferior based on his emotive reaction to his racial features and hates black people as an existential threat. His hatred is objectified in violence against black people, which is perversion.
A homophobic person thinks a homosexual is inferior based on his emotive reaction to his homosexual behaviour, and hates homosexuals as an existential threat. His hatred is objectified as violence against homosexuals, which is perversion.
A Christian thinks homosexual behaviour is an existential threat to the homosexual person and criticises their behaviour, which is perversion, because he is a Christian who hates perversion.

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"So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." -John 8:7 (KJV)

"There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?" -James 4:12 (KJV)

At no point, WHATSOEVER, does Christ condone casting judgment on others for their sins. Rather, He goes out of His way to express that we are NOT to do so. All this Holier-Than-Thou bullshit is completely and totally against Christ's doctrine, plain and simple. If people are committing sins, let God be the judge of that. It is not your place to force all to be Christian with fire and sword. Period. Christ's doctrine is one of love and tolerance, and forcing others to confirm has never been Christ's way. Whether your neighbor commits a sin or not is none of your concern.

There is nothing Christian about suppressing others for their beliefs. There never will be.


It's not judgmental to preach God's condemnation of homosexuality, which is expressed in Scripture (LEV 18 and 20; ROM 1:26–27; CORIN 6:9–11; 1; TIM 1:8–11) and where a society is blindly accepting of something which the Bible unequivocally condems, it is a Christian's duty to oppose it respectfully and peacefully. The Bible tells us to rebuke our neighbour (LEV 19:17)

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:42 pm

Sundiata wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No it hasn't. Im still at a loss to understand why two men or woman being in love and getting married and possibly adopting children is such a big deal to people. How does it affect you in any way?

It's not really a "big deal" per say. It's just that morally speaking, a child should be raised by a mother and father. Homosexuals aren't bad people or even poor parents with respect to physical or material concerns but material concerns aren't the end-all-be-all to people with concerns like mine. There's a larger agenda we're working on here.

Why should they? I don’t understand what your issue is with same sex parents.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:43 pm

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San Lumen wrote:So as long as someone doesn’t act on said desires and lives a life completely alone it’s ok to you?

Not completely alone, no. Stop that.

Yet you don’t want them to be in a relationship or have children.

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Postby Atheris » Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:46 pm

Turelisa- wrote:
Kungsu wrote:"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." -Matthew 7:1-5 (KJV)

"So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." -John 8:7 (KJV)

"There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?" -James 4:12 (KJV)

At no point, WHATSOEVER, does Christ condone casting judgment on others for their sins. Rather, He goes out of His way to express that we are NOT to do so. All this Holier-Than-Thou bullshit is completely and totally against Christ's doctrine, plain and simple. If people are committing sins, let God be the judge of that. It is not your place to force all to be Christian with fire and sword. Period. Christ's doctrine is one of love and tolerance, and forcing others to confirm has never been Christ's way. Whether your neighbor commits a sin or not is none of your concern.

There is nothing Christian about suppressing others for their beliefs. There never will be.


It's not judgmental to preach God's condemnation of homosexuality, which is expressed in Scripture (LEV 18 and 20; ROM 1:26–27; CORIN 6:9–11; 1; TIM 1:8–11) and where a society is blindly accepting of something which the Bible unequivocally condems, it is a Christian's duty to oppose it respectfully and peacefully. The Bible tells us to rebuke our neighbour (LEV 19:17)

I've debated it before, and I will again.

LEV 18 and 20, ROM 1:26-27, CORIN 6:9-11, and TIM 1:8-11 were only read to mean homosexuality in Protestant adaptations after 1949 and in Catholic interpretations in the 60's, if I remember correctly. You can read more here or translate it from an accurate rendition of a 1912 German bible here!

The original renditions referred to older men having sex with younger men, also known as pedantry or pedophilia.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:49 pm

Turelisa- wrote:
Kungsu wrote:"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." -Matthew 7:1-5 (KJV)

"So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." -John 8:7 (KJV)

"There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?" -James 4:12 (KJV)

At no point, WHATSOEVER, does Christ condone casting judgment on others for their sins. Rather, He goes out of His way to express that we are NOT to do so. All this Holier-Than-Thou bullshit is completely and totally against Christ's doctrine, plain and simple. If people are committing sins, let God be the judge of that. It is not your place to force all to be Christian with fire and sword. Period. Christ's doctrine is one of love and tolerance, and forcing others to confirm has never been Christ's way. Whether your neighbor commits a sin or not is none of your concern.

There is nothing Christian about suppressing others for their beliefs. There never will be.


It's not judgmental to preach God's condemnation of homosexuality, which is expressed in Scripture (LEV 18 and 20; ROM 1:26–27; CORIN 6:9–11; 1; TIM 1:8–11) and where a society is blindly accepting of something which the Bible unequivocally condems, it is a Christian's duty to oppose it respectfully and peacefully. The Bible tells us to rebuke our neighbour (LEV 19:17)


God also condemns the eating of bacon (LEV 11).
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Postby Telconi » Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:49 pm

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Sundiata wrote:Not completely alone, no. Stop that.

Yet you don’t want them to be in a relationship or have children.


People can have friends.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:49 pm

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Kungsu wrote:"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." -Matthew 7:1-5 (KJV)

"So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." -John 8:7 (KJV)

"There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?" -James 4:12 (KJV)

At no point, WHATSOEVER, does Christ condone casting judgment on others for their sins. Rather, He goes out of His way to express that we are NOT to do so. All this Holier-Than-Thou bullshit is completely and totally against Christ's doctrine, plain and simple. If people are committing sins, let God be the judge of that. It is not your place to force all to be Christian with fire and sword. Period. Christ's doctrine is one of love and tolerance, and forcing others to confirm has never been Christ's way. Whether your neighbor commits a sin or not is none of your concern.

There is nothing Christian about suppressing others for their beliefs. There never will be.


It's not judgmental to preach God's condemnation of homosexuality, which is expressed in Scripture (LEV 18 and 20; ROM 1:26–27; CORIN 6:9–11; 1; TIM 1:8–11) and where a society is blindly accepting of something which the Bible unequivocally condems, it is a Christian's duty to oppose it respectfully and peacefully. The Bible tells us to rebuke our neighbour (LEV 19:17)


Since you quoted Leviticus I have a few questions for you.

I'm interested in selling my youngest daughter into slavery as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. She's a Georgetown sophomore, speaks fluent Italian, always cleaned the table when it was her turn. What would a good price for her be?"
"My chief of staff, Leo McGarry, insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly says he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself or is it okay to call the police?"
"Here's one that's really important cause we've got a lot of sports fans in this town: touching the skin of a dead pig makes one unclean. Leviticus 11:7 If they promise to wear gloves can the Washington Redskins still play football? Can Notre Dame? Can West Point?
"Does the whole town really have to be together to stone my brother, John, for planting different crops side by side? Can I burn my mother in a small family gathering for wearing garments made from two different threads?
"Think about those questions, would you?"

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Postby Turelisa- » Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:51 pm

I read the new Hebrew Bible, translated by Robert Alter.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:59 pm

Turelisa- wrote:I read the new Hebrew Bible, translated by Robert Alter.


And your point is?

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Postby Necroghastia » Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:10 pm

Turelisa- wrote:
Kungsu wrote:"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." -Matthew 7:1-5 (KJV)

"So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." -John 8:7 (KJV)

"There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?" -James 4:12 (KJV)

At no point, WHATSOEVER, does Christ condone casting judgment on others for their sins. Rather, He goes out of His way to express that we are NOT to do so. All this Holier-Than-Thou bullshit is completely and totally against Christ's doctrine, plain and simple. If people are committing sins, let God be the judge of that. It is not your place to force all to be Christian with fire and sword. Period. Christ's doctrine is one of love and tolerance, and forcing others to confirm has never been Christ's way. Whether your neighbor commits a sin or not is none of your concern.

There is nothing Christian about suppressing others for their beliefs. There never will be.


It's not judgmental to preach God's condemnation of homosexuality, which is expressed in Scripture (LEV 18 and 20; ROM 1:26–27; CORIN 6:9–11; 1; TIM 1:8–11) and where a society is blindly accepting of something which the Bible unequivocally condems, it is a Christian's duty to oppose it respectfully and peacefully. The Bible tells us to rebuke our neighbour (LEV 19:17)

And for what reason is it condemned? Have you considered perhaps that instead of society, it is Christians such as yourself who are blindly rejecting things without good reason?
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Postby Kungsu » Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:46 pm

Turelisa- wrote:
Kungsu wrote:"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." -Matthew 7:1-5 (KJV)

"So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." -John 8:7 (KJV)

"There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?" -James 4:12 (KJV)

At no point, WHATSOEVER, does Christ condone casting judgment on others for their sins. Rather, He goes out of His way to express that we are NOT to do so. All this Holier-Than-Thou bullshit is completely and totally against Christ's doctrine, plain and simple. If people are committing sins, let God be the judge of that. It is not your place to force all to be Christian with fire and sword. Period. Christ's doctrine is one of love and tolerance, and forcing others to confirm has never been Christ's way. Whether your neighbor commits a sin or not is none of your concern.

There is nothing Christian about suppressing others for their beliefs. There never will be.


It's not judgmental to preach God's condemnation of homosexuality, which is expressed in Scripture (LEV 18 and 20; ROM 1:26–27; CORIN 6:9–11; 1; TIM 1:8–11) and where a society is blindly accepting of something which the Bible unequivocally condems, it is a Christian's duty to oppose it respectfully and peacefully. The Bible tells us to rebuke our neighbour (LEV 19:17)

As many have already pointed out, the archaic and Judaic laws of Moses have been superseded by Christ's doctrine. No longer are we to follow the brutal laws of "an eye for an eye" but instead we have been instructed that the two greatest commandment are:

"[...] Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." -Matthew 22:34-40 (KJV) (Note how Christ does not put any stipulations on love {i.e. Love your neighbor, so long as they be not homosexual.})

And preaching is not the same as forcing one to conform to your beliefs. By all means, feel free to tell everyone how much homosexuality is a sin. But leave it out of legislation. In fact, Romans 14 covers this subject entirely:

"Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind." -Romans 14:1-5

So no. We are, in fact, taught to not force our beliefs onto others and to be compassionate, loving, and forgiving of those we perceive as sinful. Don't be so caught up in what others are preaching that you let Christ and the Bible go by the wayside.
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