Indiana AG: LGBT Parents should be stripped of Rights

[Ethel mermania]

There are other means of providing genetic information to the family, that don't require it to be on the birth certificate. Birth certificates generally come with parental rights and responsibilities, most notibly child support. Also what about donors who wish to remain anonymous?

Sure, but there is also this means of providing it. And it's a legally binding means. As for the parental rights associated eith being on a birth certificate, there aren't any necessarily associated, and a donor forfeits parental rights such as it were by default.

I honestly have an issue with the concept of anonymous donors. I can understand not wanting to be involved with the life of the child conceived, but to deny the knowledge of who their biological parent is seems unfair.

I clearly am on the other side of the fence on this, but I do understand what you are saying

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

It’s interesting that people think there is such a thing as “parental rights”. Maybe we should also argue that there is such a thing as the rights of a master to beat and even kill a slave.. Why not call a spade a spade. Power is power, not “rights”.

[Kernen]

It’s interesting that people think there is such a thing as “parental rights”. Maybe we should also argue that there is such a thing as the rights of a master to beat and even kill a slave.. Why not call a spade a spade. Power is power, not “rights”.

Parental rights, while absolutely rights over another human, are necessary so long as children are not legal adults.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

It’s interesting that people think there is such a thing as “parental rights”. Maybe we should also argue that there is such a thing as the rights of a master to beat and even kill a slave.. Why not call a spade a spade. Power is power, not “rights”.

Parental rights, while absolutely rights over another human, are necessary so long as children are not legal adults.

I think we disagree on terminology here. I don’t think there can be rights over other humans while you think they can exist.

Thanks for confirming the widespread but uncomfortable belief that socially children aren’t fully people which has been true from ancient history to the present day.

[Kernen]

Parental rights, while absolutely rights over another human, are necessary so long as children are not legal adults.

I think we disagree on terminology here. I don’t think there can be rights over other humans while you think they can exist.

No, we have the same terminology. My point is pragmatic.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

I think we disagree on terminology here. I don’t think there can be rights over other humans while you think they can exist.

No, we have the same terminology. My point is pragmatic.

Do you agree that that thing should be properly named “authority” or “power”, not “right”? That’s actually a mistake hardcore authoritarians do not tend to make. They don’t deny that they want CONTROL over others, not individual rights.

[Kernen]

No, we have the same terminology. My point is pragmatic.

Do you agree that that thing should be properly named “authority” or “power”, not “right”? That’s actually a mistake hardcore authoritarians do not tend to make. They don’t deny that they want CONTROL over others, not individual rights.

I don't see a need to change terms as currently used. Rights are just the other side of the coin because they vest in the adult.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Do you agree that that thing should be properly named “authority” or “power”, not “right”? That’s actually a mistake hardcore authoritarians do not tend to make. They don’t deny that they want CONTROL over others, not individual rights.

I don't see a need to change terms as currently used. Rights are just the other side of the coin because they vest in the adult.

So only adults are socially and politically fully human?

[Middle Barael]

I don't see a need to change terms as currently used. Rights are just the other side of the coin because they vest in the adult.

So only adults are socially and politically fully human?

I don’t want to but in here, but I just want to remind you guys that this sub has already been warned by the mods to stay on topic, and I don’t want anybody to get banned my the mods

[Ethel mermania]

Parental rights, while absolutely rights over another human, are necessary so long as children are not legal adults.

I think we disagree on terminology here. I don’t think there can be rights over other humans while you think they can exist.

Thanks for confirming the widespread but uncomfortable belief that socially children aren’t fully people which has been true from ancient history to the present day.

They aren't.

They can't feed for themselves, they can't educate themselves. Their physical and mental capacity is diminished compared to an adult. Brain development, emotional and cognitive development is incomplete children are children so long for a reason.

[Kernen]

I don't see a need to change terms as currently used. Rights are just the other side of the coin because they vest in the adult.

So only adults are socially and politically fully human?

Only adults are legally adults.

[Telconi]

I don't see a need to change terms as currently used. Rights are just the other side of the coin because they vest in the adult.

So only adults are socially and politically fully human?

Only adults are socially and politically fully adult.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

So only adults are socially and politically fully human?

Only adults are socially and politically fully adult.

Do you realize that this is tautological? That’s not an argument.

[Necroghastia]

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/2020/11/25/indiana-curtis-hill-asks-supreme-court-take-same-sex-parenting-case/6422495002/

Indiana Attorney General Curtis Hill has submitted a brief to the U.S. Supreme Court arguing that the country's highest tribunal should reverse a lower court decision from earlier this year that allowed same-sex couples in Indiana the right to both be listed as parents on the birth certificate of their children.

The case involves a lesbian couple whom conceived a child via artificial insemination.

I find this very troubling and hope the Supreme Court does not take up this case nor overturn the ruling. LGBT people have a right to be parents and there is absolutely no reason they should not be.

Your Thoughts NSG?

I hope for the opposite.

Why?

[Postauthoritarian America]

The Supreme court would have to reverse precedent to allow the Indiana AG to do this. And because Gorsuch joined the liberal block in that decision I do not think it looks like they would reverse precedent in this case.

What precedent would they be reversing? I agree with you on Gorsuch. Roberts joined too. Gorsch wrote the opinion on the Lgbt discrimination case,

Pavan v. Smith, 582 U.S. ___ (2017).

[San Lumen]

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/2020/11/25/indiana-curtis-hill-asks-supreme-court-take-same-sex-parenting-case/6422495002/

Indiana Attorney General Curtis Hill has submitted a brief to the U.S. Supreme Court arguing that the country's highest tribunal should reverse a lower court decision from earlier this year that allowed same-sex couples in Indiana the right to both be listed as parents on the birth certificate of their children.

The case involves a lesbian couple whom conceived a child via artificial insemination.

I find this very troubling and hope the Supreme Court does not take up this case nor overturn the ruling. LGBT people have a right to be parents and there is absolutely no reason they should not be.

Your Thoughts NSG?

I hope for the opposite.

For what reason?

[San Lumen]

For what reason?

Why do you agree?

[San Lumen]

Why do you agree?

I agree with their stance for their stated reasons.

Why do you agree? Why should same sex couples not be recognized as their parents?

I went to college with someone who was raised by two men. They are the only family he’s ever known. Do you have a problem with same sex adoption in general? If so what is your issue?

[San Lumen]

Why do you agree? Why should same sex couples not be recognized as their parents?

I went to college with someone who was raised by two men. They are the only family he’s ever known. Do you have a problem with same sex adoption in general? If so what is your issue?

For the reasoning provided by Indiana. Not sure why this is complicated for you?

Why do you agree? Your not explaining your reasoning.

[Grenartia]

Parental rights, while absolutely rights over another human, are necessary so long as children are not legal adults.

I think we disagree on terminology here. I don’t think there can be rights over other humans while you think they can exist.

Thanks for confirming the widespread but uncomfortable belief that socially children aren’t fully people which has been true from ancient history to the present day.

Children are not fully developed enough to have the same rights as adults. This should be obvious to anyone who isn't a child.

[Grenartia]

Why do you agree? Why should same sex couples not be recognized as their parents?

I went to college with someone who was raised by two men. They are the only family he’s ever known. Do you have a problem with same sex adoption in general? If so what is your issue?

For the reasoning provided by Indiana. Not sure why this is complicated for you?

Humor me. What is the reasoning provided by Indiana that you agree with?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

It’s interesting that people think there is such a thing as “parental rights”. Maybe we should also argue that there is such a thing as the rights of a master to beat and even kill a slave.. Why not call a spade a spade. Power is power, not “rights”.

How are you more left wing than I, eh?

[Grenartia]

Why do you agree? Your not explaining your reasoning.

I have; you can quite literally take what Indiana said and copy paste it for my thoughts. Again, not sure why this is complicated for you.

Humor me. What is the reasoning provided by Indiana that you agree with?

The least you can do is speak your own words, instead of letting someone else speak and think for you.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Why do you agree? Your not explaining your reasoning.

I have; you can quite literally take what Indiana said and copy paste it for my thoughts. Again, not sure why this is complicated for you.

You unironically think kids will become fucked up from having two dads?

[Grenartia]

I have; you can quite literally take what Indiana said and copy paste it for my thoughts. Again, not sure why this is complicated for you.

You unironically think kids will become fucked up from having two dads?

Imagine how fucked up kids will be from having no parents at all.