NATION

PASSWORD

Indiana AG: LGBT Parents should be stripped of Rights

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

User avatar
Esalia
Minister
 
Posts: 2182
Founded: Oct 22, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby Esalia » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:41 pm

Minarchatopia wrote:
Reko Guire wrote:Maybe you surrender to fascism but I do not.


One day they allow gay couples to adopt and the next they'll be deciding whether you have free speech or not. It's a slippery slope from allowing gay couples to adopt to them trampling on our religious freedom and free speech.


And we have now brought out the slippery slope. And this time, the two things have zero connection to each other.

Looks like we might need another landfill to contain your garbage arguments.
Formerly Estanglia.

Pro: Things I think are good.
Anti: Things I think are bad.

User avatar
Kernen
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9967
Founded: Mar 02, 2011
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Kernen » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:41 pm

Minarchatopia wrote:
Reko Guire wrote:Maybe you surrender to fascism but I do not.


One day they allow gay couples to adopt and the next they'll be deciding whether you have free speech or not. It's a slippery slope from allowing gay couples to adopt to them trampling on our religious freedom and free speech.

Gay couples can already adopt.
From the throne of Khan Juk i'Behemoti, Juk Who-Is-The-Strength-of-the-Behemoth, Supreme Khan of the Ogres of Kernen. May the Khan ever drink the blood of his enemies!

Lawful Evil

Get abortions, do drugs, own guns, but never misstate legal procedure.

User avatar
Geneviev
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 16432
Founded: Mar 03, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Geneviev » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:42 pm

Minarchatopia wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:She is not Jewish and does not have “Cohen” as a surname or middle name.


She doesn't?

It's Amy Coney Barrett.
"Above all, keep loving one another earnestly, since love covers a multitude of sins." 1 Peter 4:8

User avatar
Minarchatopia
Attaché
 
Posts: 81
Founded: Dec 01, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby Minarchatopia » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:42 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Minarchatopia wrote:
She doesn't?

It's Amy Coney Barrett.


Why though

User avatar
Boris Cult
Attaché
 
Posts: 70
Founded: May 26, 2020
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Boris Cult » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:42 pm

Minarchatopia wrote:
Geneviev wrote:It's Amy Coney Barrett.


Why though

Because that is her name?

User avatar
Geneviev
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 16432
Founded: Mar 03, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Geneviev » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:43 pm

Kernen wrote:
Minarchatopia wrote:
One day they allow gay couples to adopt and the next they'll be deciding whether you have free speech or not. It's a slippery slope from allowing gay couples to adopt to them trampling on our religious freedom and free speech.

Gay couples can already adopt.

And I hope it stays that way.

Minarchatopia wrote:
Geneviev wrote:It's Amy Coney Barrett.


Why though

Because that's what her name is. It's a fact.
"Above all, keep loving one another earnestly, since love covers a multitude of sins." 1 Peter 4:8

User avatar
Middle Barael
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 439
Founded: Apr 24, 2020
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Middle Barael » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:44 pm

Minarchatopia wrote:
Reko Guire wrote:Maybe you surrender to fascism but I do not.


One day they allow gay couples to adopt and the next they'll be deciding whether you have free speech or not. It's a slippery slope from allowing gay couples to adopt to them trampling on our religious freedom and free speech.

Legally you can be as homophobic as you want, so long as you are not infringing on other people’s rights

This means that while you can be homophobic, you cannot stop LGBTQ+ marriage or adoption
Pro: Environmentalism, fighting climate change, social democracy, co-ops, police reform, LGBTQ rights, abortions, separation of church and state, democracy, assault weapon ban, proportional representation, multi-party states, Two-State Solution, Israel AND Palestine, pacifism, immigration, Anti-Racism, NHS-type Healthcare, culture, science, multiculturalism, UN, EU

Anti: Environmental destruction, fossil fuels, Trump, Laissez-faire economy, communism, far-right, homophobia, “Pro-Life”, dictatorships, one/two-party systems, guns, Netanyahu, Israeli settlements, Hamas, Jihadism, war, racism, anti-immigration, nationalism, fascism, chauvinism,


8Values
Social: Very Progressive
Economic: Social
Civil: Liberal
Foreign: Internationalist

User avatar
Stellar Colonies
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6498
Founded: Mar 27, 2017
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Stellar Colonies » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:44 pm

Minarchatopia wrote:
Reko Guire wrote:Maybe you surrender to fascism but I do not.


One day they allow gay couples to adopt and the next they'll be deciding whether you have free speech or not. It's a slippery slope from allowing gay couples to adopt to them trampling on our religious freedom and free speech.

I have trouble deciding whether you are serious or not.
Floofybit wrote:Your desired society should be one where you are submissive and controlled
Primitive Communism wrote:What bodily autonomy do men need?
Techocracy101010 wrote:If she goes on a rampage those saggy wonders are as deadly as nunchucks
Parmistan wrote:It's not ALWAYS acceptable when we do it, but it's MORE acceptable when we do it.
Theodorable wrote:Jihad will win.
Distruzio wrote:All marriage outside the Church is gay marriage.
Khardsland wrote:Terrorism in its original definition is a good thing.
I try to be objective, but I do have some biases.

North Californian.
Stellar Colonies is a loose galactic confederacy.

The Confederacy & the WA.

Add 1200 years.

User avatar
Reko Guire
Lobbyist
 
Posts: 24
Founded: Dec 01, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby Reko Guire » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:44 pm

Boris Cult wrote:
Reko Guire wrote:Maybe you surrender to fascism but I do not.

Hmmm... you forget that Hitler but LGBTQ people in death camps. LGBTQ isn’t fascism. Check your facts before you say things

The Nazis were gay.

User avatar
Minarchatopia
Attaché
 
Posts: 81
Founded: Dec 01, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby Minarchatopia » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:45 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:
Minarchatopia wrote:
One day they allow gay couples to adopt and the next they'll be deciding whether you have free speech or not. It's a slippery slope from allowing gay couples to adopt to them trampling on our religious freedom and free speech.

I have trouble deciding whether you are serious or not.


Look at how everyone is trampling on my beliefs now? They said this would happen.

User avatar
Kannap
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 67500
Founded: May 07, 2012
Democratic Socialists

Postby Kannap » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:45 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Kernen wrote:Gay couples can already adopt.

And I hope it stays that way.


I want to have kids someday, so I hope so too.
Luna Amore wrote:Please remember to attend the ritualistic burning of Kannap for heresy
T H E M O U N T A I N S A R E C A L L I N G A N D I M U S T G O
G A Y S I N C E 1 9 9 7
.::The List of National Sports::.
27 years old, gay demisexual, they/them agnostic, North Carolinian. Pumpkin Spice everything.
TET's resident red panda
Red Panda Network
Jill Stein 2024

User avatar
Middle Barael
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 439
Founded: Apr 24, 2020
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Middle Barael » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:45 pm

Reko Guire wrote:
Boris Cult wrote:Hmmm... you forget that Hitler but LGBTQ people in death camps. LGBTQ isn’t fascism. Check your facts before you say things

The Nazis were gay.

No they were not, have you even read what Boris Cult just said?
Pro: Environmentalism, fighting climate change, social democracy, co-ops, police reform, LGBTQ rights, abortions, separation of church and state, democracy, assault weapon ban, proportional representation, multi-party states, Two-State Solution, Israel AND Palestine, pacifism, immigration, Anti-Racism, NHS-type Healthcare, culture, science, multiculturalism, UN, EU

Anti: Environmental destruction, fossil fuels, Trump, Laissez-faire economy, communism, far-right, homophobia, “Pro-Life”, dictatorships, one/two-party systems, guns, Netanyahu, Israeli settlements, Hamas, Jihadism, war, racism, anti-immigration, nationalism, fascism, chauvinism,


8Values
Social: Very Progressive
Economic: Social
Civil: Liberal
Foreign: Internationalist

User avatar
Boris Cult
Attaché
 
Posts: 70
Founded: May 26, 2020
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Boris Cult » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:45 pm

Reko Guire wrote:
Boris Cult wrote:Hmmm... you forget that Hitler but LGBTQ people in death camps. LGBTQ isn’t fascism. Check your facts before you say things

The Nazis were gay.

No they weren’t! They killed people just because they were gay!

User avatar
San Lumen
Post Kaiser
 
Posts: 87602
Founded: Jul 02, 2009
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby San Lumen » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:46 pm

Kernen wrote:
Minarchatopia wrote:
One day they allow gay couples to adopt and the next they'll be deciding whether you have free speech or not. It's a slippery slope from allowing gay couples to adopt to them trampling on our religious freedom and free speech.

Gay couples can already adopt.

And it’s going to stay that way. It’s unlikely the court takes up this case.

User avatar
Minarchatopia
Attaché
 
Posts: 81
Founded: Dec 01, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby Minarchatopia » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:46 pm

Middle Barael wrote:
Minarchatopia wrote:
One day they allow gay couples to adopt and the next they'll be deciding whether you have free speech or not. It's a slippery slope from allowing gay couples to adopt to them trampling on our religious freedom and free speech.

Legally you can be as homophobic as you want, so long as you are not infringing on other people’s rights

This means that while you can be homophobic, you cannot stop LGBTQ+ marriage or adoption


But if you allow gay couples to adopt, my personal and private beliefs will be violated and it will hurt my sensitivities.

User avatar
Middle Barael
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 439
Founded: Apr 24, 2020
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Middle Barael » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:47 pm

Minarchatopia wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:I have trouble deciding whether you are serious or not.


Look at how everyone is trampling on my beliefs now? They said this would happen.

You claim to oppose LGBTQ+ couples adopting because of your “freedom of speech”, yet when someone criticizes your belief you claim they are trampling on it?
Pro: Environmentalism, fighting climate change, social democracy, co-ops, police reform, LGBTQ rights, abortions, separation of church and state, democracy, assault weapon ban, proportional representation, multi-party states, Two-State Solution, Israel AND Palestine, pacifism, immigration, Anti-Racism, NHS-type Healthcare, culture, science, multiculturalism, UN, EU

Anti: Environmental destruction, fossil fuels, Trump, Laissez-faire economy, communism, far-right, homophobia, “Pro-Life”, dictatorships, one/two-party systems, guns, Netanyahu, Israeli settlements, Hamas, Jihadism, war, racism, anti-immigration, nationalism, fascism, chauvinism,


8Values
Social: Very Progressive
Economic: Social
Civil: Liberal
Foreign: Internationalist

User avatar
Minarchatopia
Attaché
 
Posts: 81
Founded: Dec 01, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby Minarchatopia » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:47 pm

Boris Cult wrote:
Reko Guire wrote:The Nazis were gay.

No they weren’t! They killed people just because they were gay!


But they also killed Germans so are you suggesting they weren't German as well?

User avatar
Geneviev
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 16432
Founded: Mar 03, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Geneviev » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:47 pm

Kannap wrote:
Geneviev wrote:And I hope it stays that way.


I want to have kids someday, so I hope so too.

Exactly. I want kids to have parents, since that is very important.
"Above all, keep loving one another earnestly, since love covers a multitude of sins." 1 Peter 4:8

User avatar
Ard al Islam
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1145
Founded: Apr 14, 2019
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Ard al Islam » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:47 pm

Minarchatopia wrote:
Kernen wrote:Unfortunately for you, American law says otherwise.


Hopefully Amy Cohen Barett will change the law. She is a Supreme Court Justice, maybe there's something they can do.

Ok, I'm gonna stop your tirade right there. She is a Justice, not a congresswoman. All she can do is rule on legislation proposed by Congress. She can't strike down pro-gay laws on her own, nor can anyone in the Supreme Court create pro-gay laws on their own. She can only act on gay issues if someone else wants to pass legislation on gay issues.

User avatar
Kernen
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9967
Founded: Mar 02, 2011
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Kernen » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:47 pm

Minarchatopia wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:I have trouble deciding whether you are serious or not.


Look at how everyone is trampling on my beliefs now? They said this would happen.

Have less bad beliefs.
From the throne of Khan Juk i'Behemoti, Juk Who-Is-The-Strength-of-the-Behemoth, Supreme Khan of the Ogres of Kernen. May the Khan ever drink the blood of his enemies!

Lawful Evil

Get abortions, do drugs, own guns, but never misstate legal procedure.

User avatar
Nekostan-e Gharbi
Minister
 
Posts: 3197
Founded: Dec 01, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:47 pm

I do think authoritarians who want to shove their morals others disagree with on the rest of the society on any side needs to be separated into their own (Belgian) pillars / (Ottoman) millets. Then they will be happier and so will us. I don’t want to hear people on both sides screaming about endless social issues 24/7 when we have much more serious issues to tackle: tech progress, abolishing China, space fleets etc..
Welcome to the Nekostan-e Gharbi. Our ancestors were a group of genetically enhanced Israeli cats raised by two Iranian Jewish women, Rachel Davidi and Esther Moshel. We are a constitutional monarchy where a line of benevolent and powerless feline queens “guide” the citizens or more precisely are the subject of their constant gossiping.

Current Queen: Sarah IV (House of Moshel)
Current Prime Minister: Dr. Elisheva Cohen (she is fine with Elizabeth for non-Hebrew speakers) from Likud
Cats rule; dogs drool; Israel rocks; China sucks.
Abolish China and save lives.
What is Sinostatism?
Must read on China by David Goldman https://www.tabletmag.com/amp/sections/ ... ina-empire

User avatar
Esalia
Minister
 
Posts: 2182
Founded: Oct 22, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby Esalia » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:48 pm

Minarchatopia wrote:
Middle Barael wrote:Legally you can be as homophobic as you want, so long as you are not infringing on other people’s rights

This means that while you can be homophobic, you cannot stop LGBTQ+ marriage or adoption


But if you allow gay couples to adopt, my personal and private beliefs will be violated and it will hurt my sensitivities.


Good.
Formerly Estanglia.

Pro: Things I think are good.
Anti: Things I think are bad.

User avatar
Middle Barael
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 439
Founded: Apr 24, 2020
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Middle Barael » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:48 pm

Minarchatopia wrote:
Boris Cult wrote:No they weren’t! They killed people just because they were gay!


But they also killed Germans so are you suggesting they weren't German as well?

There is no evidence to suggest that the Nazis were gay

And also they didn’t kill Germans for the sake of the, being German, they killed them for some other reason
Meanwhile they killed the LGBTQ+ community simply because they were LGBTQ+
Pro: Environmentalism, fighting climate change, social democracy, co-ops, police reform, LGBTQ rights, abortions, separation of church and state, democracy, assault weapon ban, proportional representation, multi-party states, Two-State Solution, Israel AND Palestine, pacifism, immigration, Anti-Racism, NHS-type Healthcare, culture, science, multiculturalism, UN, EU

Anti: Environmental destruction, fossil fuels, Trump, Laissez-faire economy, communism, far-right, homophobia, “Pro-Life”, dictatorships, one/two-party systems, guns, Netanyahu, Israeli settlements, Hamas, Jihadism, war, racism, anti-immigration, nationalism, fascism, chauvinism,


8Values
Social: Very Progressive
Economic: Social
Civil: Liberal
Foreign: Internationalist

User avatar
Kernen
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9967
Founded: Mar 02, 2011
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Kernen » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:48 pm

Minarchatopia wrote:
Middle Barael wrote:Legally you can be as homophobic as you want, so long as you are not infringing on other people’s rights

This means that while you can be homophobic, you cannot stop LGBTQ+ marriage or adoption


But if you allow gay couples to adopt, my personal and private beliefs will be violated and it will hurt my sensitivities.

A worthwhile sacrifice for equality under the law.
From the throne of Khan Juk i'Behemoti, Juk Who-Is-The-Strength-of-the-Behemoth, Supreme Khan of the Ogres of Kernen. May the Khan ever drink the blood of his enemies!

Lawful Evil

Get abortions, do drugs, own guns, but never misstate legal procedure.

User avatar
Nekostan-e Gharbi
Minister
 
Posts: 3197
Founded: Dec 01, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:48 pm

Minarchatopia wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:I have trouble deciding whether you are serious or not.


Look at how everyone is trampling on my beliefs now? They said this would happen.


I think you need your own Haredi Jews-like or Amish-like community. We can have several autonomous regions for different Christian denominations, Jewish sects, Muslim groups, hardcore ethnonationalists of whatever race, fascists, communists, SJWs etc. Then we can have a socially more permissive “general society” where there are no harsh moralistic laws where free speech is permitted and coercive behavior as a response to free speech banned.
Last edited by Nekostan-e Gharbi on Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:51 pm, edited 4 times in total.
Welcome to the Nekostan-e Gharbi. Our ancestors were a group of genetically enhanced Israeli cats raised by two Iranian Jewish women, Rachel Davidi and Esther Moshel. We are a constitutional monarchy where a line of benevolent and powerless feline queens “guide” the citizens or more precisely are the subject of their constant gossiping.

Current Queen: Sarah IV (House of Moshel)
Current Prime Minister: Dr. Elisheva Cohen (she is fine with Elizabeth for non-Hebrew speakers) from Likud
Cats rule; dogs drool; Israel rocks; China sucks.
Abolish China and save lives.
What is Sinostatism?
Must read on China by David Goldman https://www.tabletmag.com/amp/sections/ ... ina-empire

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Ancientania, Enormous Gentiles, Ethel mermania, Floppa Lovers, Grinning Dragon, Hidrandia, Pale Dawn, Philjia, Poliski, Roman Khilafa Al Cordoba, Sarolandia, Statesburg, The Republic of Western Sol, The Selkie, Valyxias

Advertisement

Remove ads