Indiana AG: LGBT Parents should be stripped of Rights

[Atheris]

Im not giving you one.

Id like hard evidence of your claims of how having same sex parents hurts children. Science says it doesnt.

Right..

What do you mean?

[San Lumen]

Im not giving you one.

Id like hard evidence of your claims of how having same sex parents hurts children. Science says it doesnt.

Right..

What is that supposed to mean?

[Turelisa-]

Right..

What is that supposed to mean?

Right. I accept your answer.

[Sundiata]

If sodomy is morally wrong and it is wrong for homosexuals then it is wrong for heterosexuals as well. We shouldn't be biased towards homosexuals for being attracted to members of their own sex.

If.

A single word there invalidates your entire argument.

Well, if you think that we should be legally biased towards homosexuals for no other reason than their involuntary sexual preferences then that is your perogative, not mine.

I, for one am opposed to a notion that violates any person's fundamental, universal, and inalienable rights. To imprison someone for being attracted to members of their own sex is morally reprehensible.

[San Lumen]

What is that supposed to mean?

Right. I accept your answer.

Ok.

Would you mind sharing credible scientific evidence of how having same sex parents harms children? I know someone who has two dads and he turned out just fine.

[New Visayan Islands]

Why should it be? Being done in public is one thing but everywhere else it’s quite frankly none of your business.

Lgbt people should be able to be parents. There is zero credible evidence it harms children in any way. As I’ve said before I went to college with someone who had two dads. They are the only family he’s ever known and he turned out just fine. I even met his parents once.

Have you ever been in a loving relationship with another man, and sodomy has formed the way in which you and he have expressed the physical side of your relationship? I know you are openly homosexual, but not all homosexuals like it, and I don't want to judge.

Im not going to discuss my private life here.

I'd like to know what credible scientific evidence you have for why LGBT people shouldnt be parents other than the bogus study you shared.

The answer required is either yes or no. I certainly don't want to discuss what you do in your bed. As I said, some homosexuals eschew sodomy. I have never approved of it.

Take the *** warning for harassment *** I am issuing you as a reminder that these questions stop. Now.

Everyone else, let's try to keep this thread on track.

Thanks!
NVI

[Odreria]

lol gay

[Enjuku]

I want to be surprised by this tangent about sodomy, but Lawrence v. Texas legalized sodomy in 2003; not even 2 decades ago. LGBTQ rights are still relatively new in America.

Even though much of American society is progressing toward viewing LGBTQ as individuals first, people who do sexy-times different second, there's this loud minority that wants to define LGBTQ exclusively by what they do in the bedroom. And for whatever reason, that thought process seeps into their view of LGBTQ people doing things outside sex, like raising children.

It's not surprising the Indiana AG did this. Too many Republican voters who think LGBTQ rights are some kind of existential threat. I'm thinking we have to wait for another generation or two before LGBTQ stigma goes away. There are too many people in America who remember when calling someone a f*g or mocking "a guy in a dress" was "normal".

[Sundiata]

I want to be surprised by this tangent about sodomy, but Lawrence v. Texas legalized sodomy in 2003; not even 2 decades ago. LGBTQ rights are still relatively new in America.

Even though much of American society is progressing toward viewing LGBTQ as individuals first, people who do sexy-times different second, there's this loud minority that wants to define LGBTQ exclusively by what they do in the bedroom. And for whatever reason, that thought process seeps into their view of LGBTQ people doing things outside sex, like raising children.

It's not surprising the Indiana AG did this. Too many Republican voters who think LGBTQ rights are some kind of existential threat. I'm thinking we have to wait for another generation or two before LGBTQ stigma goes away. There are too many people in America who remember when calling someone a f*g or mocking "a guy in a dress" was "normal".

Whether black or white, gay or straight, everyone deserves a shot.

With respect to LGBTQ rights, I also think that it would be an egregious mistake to define people by sexual acts alone. Furthermore, things are still so bad that people who experience same-sex attraction still feel compelled to even define themselves on that basis. I can't really speak with respect to Republican voters. I also stand with you, I'd like the stigma towards homosexuals to go away but our country and world have a long way to go. The old days that you referred to aren't so old for me. In fact, in my experience these things are still unfortunately pretty normal.

[Neutraligon]

Oh boy....

The state should not imprison people for being attracted to persons of the same-sex.

I see nothing about whether you think they should be imprisoned or lose their parental rights should they act on that attraction.

[Kungsu]

I want to be surprised by this tangent about sodomy, but Lawrence v. Texas legalized sodomy in 2003; not even 2 decades ago. LGBTQ rights are still relatively new in America.

Even though much of American society is progressing toward viewing LGBTQ as individuals first, people who do sexy-times different second, there's this loud minority that wants to define LGBTQ exclusively by what they do in the bedroom. And for whatever reason, that thought process seeps into their view of LGBTQ people doing things outside sex, like raising children.

It's not surprising the Indiana AG did this. Too many Republican voters who think LGBTQ rights are some kind of existential threat. I'm thinking we have to wait for another generation or two before LGBTQ stigma goes away. There are too many people in America who remember when calling someone a f*g or mocking "a guy in a dress" was "normal".

And unfortunately those people are the old white men currently in most positions of power. Though it does seem to be a trend, the elderly trying to cling on to the societal norms of the past while the youthful push to be free of such bonds. I think I remember an anecdote from Ancient Greece/Rome where an elderly man was complaining about how the youth were rebellious and didn't respect traditions. If I am able to find it, I will post it here.

But yeah, at least for now it looks like things are going to get better with each passing generation. It may not end suffering now, and we definitely shouldn't give up on fighting for people's rights, but at least things are looking up in the not-too-distant future.

[Celritannia]

Oh boy....

The state should not imprison people for being attracted to persons of the same-sex.

But they should not be happy with the people that they love, or adopt children for their loving family?

[Minarchatopia]

I personally don't think gay couples should be allowed under law to adopt children. It offends my personal beliefs and it also offends my personal beliefs.

[Geneviev]

I personally don't think gay couples should be allowed under law to adopt children. It offends my personal beliefs and it also offends my personal beliefs.

Why is that?

[Kernen]

I think sodomy is wrong, whether it is homosexual or heterosexual. The fact remains it is the modus operandi of homosexuals, it is an essential part of homosexuality, and its promotion is bound up with activism for equal rights for homosexuals. Opposition to it is conflated with discrimination and hatred against homosexuals, and that's not fair.

Sodomy does not follow from same-sex attraction. It's not an essential part of being attracted to someone of the same sex. A homosexual man could be married to a homosexual woman or a heterosexual woman and still practice sacramental marital conduct. Everyone deserves a shot to lead a virtuous life. If we expect fairness from our detractors we've got to treat them with fairness too.

With respect to this thread, what do you think the implications would be of the AG's policy proposal?

It's always concerning to see people advocate for other folks to marry and have sex with people they aren't attracted to out of an assumed sense of what is best for folks. You may as well let me tell you how to tune up your car for all the respective authority and knowledge at play.

Given that people are wildly different, it seems a much better strategy to let people live as they choose and not try to shoehorn them into a single, limited version of the human ideal.

[Minarchatopia]

I personally don't think gay couples should be allowed under law to adopt children. It offends my personal beliefs and it also offends my personal beliefs.

Why is that?

Idk, it just makes me feel weird.

[San Lumen]

Why is that?

Idk, it just makes me feel weird.

Ok but that’s not a good reason for why it shouldn’t be allowed.

[Kernen]

Why is that?

Idk, it just makes me feel weird.

Eggplant offends me. Should we ban it?

[Minarchatopia]

Idk, it just makes me feel weird.

Ok but that’s not a good reason for why it shouldn’t be allowed.

I think my personal feelings come before whatever other people want. I dont like it and it should not be allowed because it makes me as well as some other people feel uncomfortable.

[Minarchatopia]

Idk, it just makes me feel weird.

Eggplant offends me. Should we ban it?

Eggplants dont offend me though

[Kernen]

Ok but that’s not a good reason for why it shouldn’t be allowed.

I think my personal feelings come before whatever other people want. I dont like it and it should not be allowed because it makes me as well as some other people feel uncomfortable.

By this logic, nothing would be allowed. This is a severely underdeveloped opinion without supporting rationale.

[Minarchatopia]

I think my personal feelings come before whatever other people want. I dont like it and it should not be allowed because it makes me as well as some other people feel uncomfortable.

By this logic, nothing would be allowed. This is a severely underdeveloped opinion without supporting rationale.

The supporting rationale is that some people don't like it.

[Raynlandia]

It is insanity that people who have different beliefs have to have their rights removed. This is unacceptable and the government needs to be accepting or the state will forever remain "unprogressed".

[Esalia]

Eggplant offends me. Should we ban it?

Eggplants dont offend me though

But they do offend Kernen, so let's ban it.

[Esalia]

By this logic, nothing would be allowed. This is a severely underdeveloped opinion without supporting rationale.

The supporting rationale is that some people don't like it.

And those "some people" can quite frankly go fuck themselves.