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Postby Geneviev » Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:52 pm

If they're parents, they should be listed as parents. I don't think the Supreme Court will become involved in this, though.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:43 pm

Geneviev wrote:If they're parents, they should be listed as parents. I don't think the Supreme Court will become involved in this, though.

I have doubts too. I don’t think Roberts or Gorsch want to open this door .
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Postby Outer Sparta » Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:54 pm

Good old Indiana, the state that's the most southern northern state and an extension to the Bible Belt. Also had Mike Pence as governor!
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Postby Geneviev » Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:56 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Geneviev wrote:If they're parents, they should be listed as parents. I don't think the Supreme Court will become involved in this, though.

I have doubts too. I don’t think Roberts or Gorsch want to open this door .

Which is a good thing, too. Parents being parents is just the way it should be.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:00 pm

Geneviev wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I have doubts too. I don’t think Roberts or Gorsch want to open this door .

Which is a good thing, too. Parents being parents is just the way it should be.

I agree. Roberts is also very concerned about the image and legitimacy of the court. I might not always agree with him but overall hes been an ok chief justice. Gorsuch's opinion in the LGBT employment case suggest he's not open to the idea of overturning LGBT adoption.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:02 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Which is a good thing, too. Parents being parents is just the way it should be.

I agree. Roberts is also very concerned about the image and legitimacy of the court. I might not always agree with him but overall hes been an ok chief justice.

Which may no longer be the case especially concerning extreme partisanship and corporate interests pushing on the court. Roberts could give less of a fuck about the legitimacy of the court and push the GOP partisan agenda whenever possible.
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Postby Geneviev » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:03 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Which is a good thing, too. Parents being parents is just the way it should be.

I agree. Roberts is also very concerned about the image and legitimacy of the court. I might not always agree with him but overall hes been an ok chief justice. Gorsuch's opinion in the LGBT employment case suggest he's not open to the idea of overturning LGBT adoption.

Is this a case about adoption? I might have misunderstood it.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:04 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I agree. Roberts is also very concerned about the image and legitimacy of the court. I might not always agree with him but overall hes been an ok chief justice.

Which may no longer be the case especially concerning extreme partisanship and corporate interests pushing on the court. Roberts could give less of a fuck about the legitimacy of the court and push the GOP partisan agenda whenever possible.


I dont think so. I very much he wants to see a court seen as completely out of touch with the public and having no legitimacy. Oveturning LGBT adoption would do that.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:05 pm

Geneviev wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I agree. Roberts is also very concerned about the image and legitimacy of the court. I might not always agree with him but overall hes been an ok chief justice. Gorsuch's opinion in the LGBT employment case suggest he's not open to the idea of overturning LGBT adoption.

Is this a case about adoption? I might have misunderstood it.


yes the case involves a lesbian couple who conceived via artificial insemination and the state does;t want them recognized as the parents. A lower court said they should be and now the outgoing AG is appealing to the Supreme Court.

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Postby Geneviev » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:09 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Is this a case about adoption? I might have misunderstood it.


yes the case involves a lesbian couple who conceived via artificial insemination and the state does;t want them recognized as the parents. A lower court said they should be and now the outgoing AG is appealing to the Supreme Court.

But then it wasn't adoption, was it? I don't know, I'm confused.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:09 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:Which may no longer be the case especially concerning extreme partisanship and corporate interests pushing on the court. Roberts could give less of a fuck about the legitimacy of the court and push the GOP partisan agenda whenever possible.


I dont think so. I very much he wants to see a court seen as completely out of touch with the public and having no legitimacy. Oveturning LGBT adoption would do that.

I certainly think Roberts will go down that path. Don't count him out for that task.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:12 pm

Geneviev wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
yes the case involves a lesbian couple who conceived via artificial insemination and the state does;t want them recognized as the parents. A lower court said they should be and now the outgoing AG is appealing to the Supreme Court.

But then it wasn't adoption, was it? I don't know, I'm confused.


It technically is.

Outer Sparta wrote:
San Lumen wrote:

I dont think so. I very much he wants to see a court seen as completely out of touch with the public and having no legitimacy. Oveturning LGBT adoption would do that.

I certainly think Roberts will go down that path. Don't count him out for that task.


I don't think so given his opinion in the two lgbt discrimination cases. I doubt he'd suddenly reverse himself and say LGBT couples can't be recognized as parent
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Postby Free Las Pinas » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:16 pm

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San Lumen wrote:What makes it shocking? Indiana is a very conservative state. I would have thought this issue would be settled.

What? Why have you singled out my post and not these two eh?
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Probably because only your post expressed shock.
Geneviev wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
yes the case involves a lesbian couple who conceived via artificial insemination and the state does;t want them recognized as the parents. A lower court said they should be and now the outgoing AG is appealing to the Supreme Court.

But then it wasn't adoption, was it? I don't know, I'm confused.

From what I understand, the legal father is the sperm donor, so they recognize him as the father.

Disappointing, if I'm understanding correctly.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:17 pm

Free Las Pinas wrote:
North American Imperial State wrote:What? Why have you singled out my post and not these two eh?

Probably because only your post expressed shock.
Geneviev wrote:But then it wasn't adoption, was it? I don't know, I'm confused.

From what I understand, the legal father is the sperm donor, so they recognize him as the father.

Disappointing, if I'm understanding correctly.


I don't think the Supreme Court will touch this and if they do I doubt they rule the way the outgoing AG wants them too.

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Postby Geneviev » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:18 pm

Free Las Pinas wrote:
Geneviev wrote:But then it wasn't adoption, was it? I don't know, I'm confused.

From what I understand, the legal father is the sperm donor, so they recognize him as the father.

Disappointing, if I'm understanding correctly.

That's really disappointing if that's the problem.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:20 pm

Geneviev wrote:
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From what I understand, the legal father is the sperm donor, so they recognize him as the father.

Disappointing, if I'm understanding correctly.

That's really disappointing if that's the problem.


It is and presents a very serious problem if the court ruled how the AG wants them too. A friend of mine was raised by two men. He has no idea who has birth parents are as he was adopted at a very young age. Why should people who he has zero memory of be recognized as his parents over the people who raised him?
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:38 pm

The Supreme court would have to reverse precedent to allow the Indiana AG to do this. And because Gorsuch joined the liberal block in that decision I do not think it looks like they would reverse precedent in this case.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:44 pm

Greed and Death wrote:The Supreme court would have to reverse precedent to allow the Indiana AG to do this. And because Gorsuch joined the liberal block in that decision I do not think it looks like they would reverse precedent in this case.

What precedent would they be reversing? I agree with you on Gorsuch. Roberts joined too. Gorsch wrote the opinion on the Lgbt discrimination case,

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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:50 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:The Supreme court would have to reverse precedent to allow the Indiana AG to do this. And because Gorsuch joined the liberal block in that decision I do not think it looks like they would reverse precedent in this case.

What precedent would they be reversing? I agree with you on Gorsuch. Roberts joined too. Gorsch wrote the opinion on the Lgbt discrimination case,


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Postby Luziyca » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:50 pm

Fuck him, and fuck that proposal.
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F*ck that and F*ck him.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:54 pm

Luziyca wrote:Fuck him, and fuck that proposal.


He won't be attorney General for much longer. He lost renomination at the state convention.

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Postby Luziyca » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:58 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Fuck him, and fuck that proposal.


He won't be attorney General for much longer. He lost renomination at the state convention.

Good.

Hope his successor drops that request, if at all possible.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:03 pm

Luziyca wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
He won't be attorney General for much longer. He lost renomination at the state convention.

Good.

Hope his successor drops that request, if at all possible.


Hopefully he does. The law is not my area of expertise but i suppose its possible his successor could.

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:23 pm

I... don't really see what's so heinous about this. A Birth Certificate isn't some kind of scoreboard or parent card. It's a record that someone was born. DNA from individual A and individual B was combined to make the person to which the certificate refers. Not to mention that you will want to have the donor on their for family medical history purposes in all probability.
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