Israel Attacks Southern Damascus: Oh Dear!

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Terror groups aren't comparable to terror groups? That doesn't sound right...

Hezbollah is not a terrorist group

According to a dictionary, they are.

[Greater Cesnica]

Show me where Hezbollah and Hamas commit mass rape, where they have a policy of killing Christians, where they advocate for the slavery of women, where they are armed by the Gulf nations/Turkey and other associated entities, where they kill other Muslims for not conforming to a very strict, puritan, degenerate strain of Salafism?

Terrorists are terrorists. Some are worse than others, but at the end of the day they're all the same kind of scum: murderous butchers and gutless cowards. It's not a competition.

But the comparison is still not valid. One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist group. Whereas ISIS is universally condemned, groups like Hezbollah and Hamas are not. What about the IRA? Many consider them to be freedom fighters too, even though they've been designated as terrorists by numerous bodies. This is getting into a discussion of objective morality I think.

[Mannixa Prime]

Hezbollah is not a terrorist group

According to a dictionary, they are.

According to reality and common sense they are not.

The American government is then biggest sponsor of terror along with Israel and Saudi Arabia.

Iran, Syria, and Palestinian are victims responsidng to unwarranted aggression.

[Greater Cesnica]

According to a dictionary, they are.

According to reality and common sense they are not.

The American government is then biggest sponsor of terror along with Israel and Saudi Arabia.

Iran, Syria, and Palestinian are victims responsidng to unwarranted aggression.

The only valid targets of any paramilitary or military group should be the armed forces, security agencies, or high political figures. Not ordinary civilians. Using this litmus test, does Hezbollah and Hamas maintain their attacks to these targets?

[Mannixa Prime]

According to reality and common sense they are not.

The American government is then biggest sponsor of terror along with Israel and Saudi Arabia.

Iran, Syria, and Palestinian are victims responsidng to unwarranted aggression.

The only valid targets of any paramilitary or military group should be the armed forces, security agencies, or high political figures. Not ordinary civilians. Using this litmus test, does Hezbollah and Hamas maintain their attacks to these targets?

I understand what your getting at and I realize Israeli citizens are targeted in retaliation after Israel commits their usual war crimes.

They have no choice not to though since the Israeli populace is some shape or form supports their governments actions.

Gaza is the worlds largest open air prison. Israel is not.

[Greater Cesnica]

The only valid targets of any paramilitary or military group should be the armed forces, security agencies, or high political figures. Not ordinary civilians. Using this litmus test, does Hezbollah and Hamas maintain their attacks to these targets?

I understand what your getting at and I realize Israeli citizens are targeted in retaliation after Israel commits their usual war crimes.

They have no choice not to though since the Israeli populace is some shape or form supports their governments actions.

Gaza is the worlds largest open air prison. Israel is not.

"They have no choice not to"

Cringe take. If Hezbollah and Hamas only attacked IDF soldiers, police officers, and high-ranking political officials, then that would be one thing and you could defend them completely, but they also attack civvies, which isn't a moral or ethical thing to do.

[Insaanistan]

HizbAllah and Hamas constantly straddle the border of terrorism, IMO.

[Mannixa Prime]

I understand what your getting at and I realize Israeli citizens are targeted in retaliation after Israel commits their usual war crimes.

They have no choice not to though since the Israeli populace is some shape or form supports their governments actions.

Gaza is the worlds largest open air prison. Israel is not.

"They have no choice not to"

Cringe take. If Hezbollah and Hamas only attacked IDF soldiers, police officers, and high-ranking political officials, then that would be one thing and you could defend them completely, but they also attack civvies, which isn't a moral or ethical thing to do.

The only cringe take I see is thinking war is moral or ethical.

I’m not joking or being an edgelord when I say Israel is a terrorist state.

America has bombed and killed hundreds of thousands of civilians at the behest of Israel and you expect organizations like Hezbollah and Hamas to be ethical?

[Greater Cesnica]

"They have no choice not to"

Cringe take. If Hezbollah and Hamas only attacked IDF soldiers, police officers, and high-ranking political officials, then that would be one thing and you could defend them completely, but they also attack civvies, which isn't a moral or ethical thing to do.

The only cringe take I see is thinking war is moral or ethical.

I’m not joking or being an edgelord when I say Israel is a terrorist state.

America has bombed and killed hundreds of thousands of civilians at the behest of Israel and you expect organizations like Hezbollah and Hamas to be ethical?

I agree Israel and America can be considered terrorist states. Two wrongs doesn't make a right. If American soldiers rape Muslim women is it okay for Hezbollah militants to rape Israeli women? Of course not.

[Mannixa Prime]

The only cringe take I see is thinking war is moral or ethical.

I’m not joking or being an edgelord when I say Israel is a terrorist state.

America has bombed and killed hundreds of thousands of civilians at the behest of Israel and you expect organizations like Hezbollah and Hamas to be ethical?

I agree Israel and America can be considered terrorist states. Two wrongs doesn't make a right. If American soldiers rape Muslim women is it okay for Hezbollah militants to rape Israeli women? Of course not.

I agree especially with that example that two wrongs don’t make a right.

What I’m trying to say is that I personally don’t think Hezbollah and Hamas are hyper focused on attacking civilians to sow terror, which I believe Israel and their allies do all the time.

Again I’m not saying Iran and Syria are cuddly bunnies, but they sure as hell are justified to respond to any acts of violence when they themselves did nothing to warrant such crimes.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Terrorists are terrorists. Some are worse than others, but at the end of the day they're all the same kind of scum: murderous butchers and gutless cowards. It's not a competition.

But the comparison is still not valid. One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist group. Whereas ISIS is universally condemned, groups like Hezbollah and Hamas are not. What about the IRA? Many consider them to be freedom fighters too, even though they've been designated as terrorists by numerous bodies. This is getting into a discussion of objective morality I think.

It's really not.

If you commit a terrorist attack, you are a terrorist. Plain and simple. The IRA are terrorists. Hezbollah are terrorists. Hamas are terrorists. ISIS are terrorists. There is a distinct difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorist: one attacks civilian targets, the other does not. Guess which one is which?

Newsflash: all the aforementioned organizations have attacked civilians in acts of terror. That makes them terrorists.

According to reality and common sense they are not.

Pretty sure reality is on the side of the dictionary, but okay.

The American government is then biggest sponsor of terror along with Israel and Saudi Arabia.

...And Iran, and Palestine, and Russia, and China.

Iran, Syria, and Palestinian are victims responsidng to unwarranted aggression.

By bombing hospitals, schools, synagogues, embassies, planes, and ambulances?

I find it morally repugnant that you're so callously sweeping Iranian, Syrian, and Palestinian crimes under the rug just because you support them. I accept and denounce the crimes of Israel, America, and Saudi Arabia. I don't support either side in this long-standing feud because both sides have too much innocent blood on their hands. Whether you agree Israel should be a country or not is really irrelevant. Both sides are killing civilians, intentionally and recklessly. There are no "good guys" or "bad guys" in this war and mediation is the only course that can end the senseless bloodshed.

Your blatant disregard for the lives of Israeli civilians and calls for blood against the State of Israel is the kind of mentality that is fueling this senseless butchery. You can cling to your moral high horse all you like, but you don't have a leg to stand on as long as you refuse to acknowledge the crimes the side you've chosen to back has committed. Feel free to keep calling for more war and destruction. I'm sure everyone who actually lives in the region will thank you for turning a blind eye to butchery just because it was under a different flag.

In the mean time, have fun on my Foes List. I'm done with your pro-ultranationalist partisan nonsense.

[SD_Film Artists]

Syrian state media has reported that Israel has attacked southern Damascus from the Golan Heights using Warplanes. This is the second attack in a week.

”At exactly 11:50pm … the Zionist enemy launched an air raid from the direction of the occupied Golan Heights towards southern Damascus,” resulting in “material losses”, the source was quoted as saying.

At least eight fighters operating in pro-Iran militias were killed, the UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said, adding the attacks targeted an arms depot and a position held by Iranian forces and their Lebanese ally Hezbollah. The nationalities of the dead were not immediately known.

Is Israel trying to scare Syria into recognizing them? Is it trying to take more of Syria? Or is it just Israel being Israel: that is, screwing up the Middle East, violating UN resolutions, and trying to instigate a conflict where they inevitably come out on top based on the senseless sectarianism, racism, and tribalism that will over take any Arab attempts to unite against Israel (that and US funded weapons)?

It's just airstrikes? Then it's not news. Call me when Merkava tanks are rolling into Syria-proper. As for "Israel being Israel: that is, screwing up the Middle East" I find that rather ironic considering that by your own admission the alturnative rulers of the ME have a lot of senseless sectarianism, racism, and tribalism.

[Greater Cesnica]

I agree Israel and America can be considered terrorist states. Two wrongs doesn't make a right. If American soldiers rape Muslim women is it okay for Hezbollah militants to rape Israeli women? Of course not.

I agree especially with that example that two wrongs don’t make a right.

What I’m trying to say is that I personally don’t think Hezbollah and Hamas are hyper focused on attacking civilians to sow terror, which I believe Israel and their allies do all the time.

Again I’m not saying Iran and Syria are cuddly bunnies, but they sure as hell are justified to respond to any acts of violence when they themselves did nothing to warrant such crimes.

But attacking civilians period is bad. Agree or disagree?

[Mannixa Prime]

I agree especially with that example that two wrongs don’t make a right.

What I’m trying to say is that I personally don’t think Hezbollah and Hamas are hyper focused on attacking civilians to sow terror, which I believe Israel and their allies do all the time.

Again I’m not saying Iran and Syria are cuddly bunnies, but they sure as hell are justified to respond to any acts of violence when they themselves did nothing to warrant such crimes.

But attacking civilians period is bad. Agree or disagree?

I one hundred and ten percent agree with you that attacking civilians is bad.

[Greater Cesnica]

But attacking civilians period is bad. Agree or disagree?

I one hundred and ten percent agree with you that attacking civilians is bad.

Therefore Hezbollah and Hamas = bad, at least in this regard. Nowhere near as bad as Daesh, Boko Haram, and Al-Qaeda, sure. They're like IRA-tier on the morality index.

[Alien Overlord]

On a serious note though, Israel has been harassed by it's neighbors for so long that quite frankly this attack is not unjustified or unwarranted. This is especially true against the Syrian regime which refuses democracy and supports terrorism across the region.

The only cringe take I see is thinking war is moral or ethical.

I’m not joking or being an edgelord when I say Israel is a terrorist state.

America has bombed and killed hundreds of thousands of civilians at the behest of Israel and you expect organizations like Hezbollah and Hamas to be ethical?

I agree Israel and America can be considered terrorist states. Two wrongs doesn't make a right. If American soldiers rape Muslim women is it okay for Hezbollah militants to rape Israeli women? Of course not.

American troops don't rape Muslim women, in fact plenty of American troops are themselves Muslims or of Middle Eastern descent. Israel has made plenty of overtures for peace since it's creation, it's primarily the Muslim states around it that are the aggressors.

[Shofercia]

Syrian state media has reported that Israel has attacked southern Damascus from the Golan Heights using Warplanes. This is the second attack in a week.

”At exactly 11:50pm … the Zionist enemy launched an air raid from the direction of the occupied Golan Heights towards southern Damascus,” resulting in “material losses”, the source was quoted as saying.

At least eight fighters operating in pro-Iran militias were killed, the UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said, adding the attacks targeted an arms depot and a position held by Iranian forces and their Lebanese ally Hezbollah. The nationalities of the dead were not immediately known.

Is Israel trying to scare Syria into recognizing them? Is it trying to take more of Syria? Or is it just Israel being Israel: that is, screwing up the Middle East, violating UN resolutions, and trying to instigate a conflict where they inevitably come out on top based on the senseless sectarianism, racism, and tribalism that will over take any Arab attempts to unite against Israel (that and US funded weapons)?

Nope, Israel is continuing to target Hezbollah. From the quote:

At least eight fighters operating in pro-Iran militias were killed

Whether or not Israel, who's not invited to Syria, has a right to take out Hezbollah, who were legitimately invited to Syria, is a different story, but in the Middle East might makes right. It's a dangerous gamble for Israel though, because if Israel fails, Hezbollah is going to direct its ire at Israel, rather than attempting to dominate certain aspects of Syria and a good chunk of Lebanon.

[SD_Film Artists]

Syrian state media has reported that Israel has attacked southern Damascus from the Golan Heights using Warplanes. This is the second attack in a week.

Is Israel trying to scare Syria into recognizing them? Is it trying to take more of Syria? Or is it just Israel being Israel: that is, screwing up the Middle East, violating UN resolutions, and trying to instigate a conflict where they inevitably come out on top based on the senseless sectarianism, racism, and tribalism that will over take any Arab attempts to unite against Israel (that and US funded weapons)?

Nope, Israel is continuing to target Hezbollah. From the quote:

At least eight fighters operating in pro-Iran militias were killed

Whether or not Israel, who's not invited to Syria, has a right to take out Hezbollah, who were legitimately invited to Syria, is a different story, but in the Middle East might makes right. It's a dangerous gamble for Israel though, because if Israel fails, Hezbollah is going to direct its ire at Israel, rather than attempting to dominate certain aspects of Syria and a good chunk of Lebanon.

Indeed, the normaly good relations between Israel and Hezbollah may get a bit frosty; they could end up closing embassys or even voting down eachother in the European Song Contest Edit: my mistake, only Israel is in the ESC and not Hezbollah.

[Insaanistan]

Syrian state media has reported that Israel has attacked southern Damascus from the Golan Heights using Warplanes. This is the second attack in a week.

Is Israel trying to scare Syria into recognizing them? Is it trying to take more of Syria? Or is it just Israel being Israel: that is, screwing up the Middle East, violating UN resolutions, and trying to instigate a conflict where they inevitably come out on top based on the senseless sectarianism, racism, and tribalism that will over take any Arab attempts to unite against Israel (that and US funded weapons)?

Nope, Israel is continuing to target Hezbollah. From the quote:

At least eight fighters operating in pro-Iran militias were killed

Whether or not Israel, who's not invited to Syria, has a right to take out Hezbollah, who were legitimately invited to Syria, is a different story, but in the Middle East might makes right. It's a dangerous gamble for Israel though, because if Israel fails, Hezbollah is going to direct its ire at Israel, rather than attempting to dominate certain aspects of Syria and a good chunk of Lebanon.

It also targeted a village and some Syrian non-Iranian backed sites.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Last thing the Middle east needs is another war with all the current shit going on, especially in Syria. Are there any other sources confirming this yet or is it just the state media in syria? As far as i am aware other networks are just reporting what they said initially.

[North American Imperial State]

Terror groups aren't comparable to terror groups? That doesn't sound right...

Hezbollah is not a terrorist group

Oh but it is
Tell us why you think they are not a terror group

[SD_Film Artists]

Hezbollah is not a terrorist group

Oh but it is
Tell us why you think they are not a terror group

I've got £10 on a whataboutism regarding America.

[Farnhamia]

The only valid targets of any paramilitary or military group should be the armed forces, security agencies, or high political figures. Not ordinary civilians. Using this litmus test, does Hezbollah and Hamas maintain their attacks to these targets?

I understand what your getting at and I realize Israeli citizens are targeted in retaliation after Israel commits their usual war crimes.

They have no choice not to though since the Israeli populace is some shape or form supports their governments actions.

Gaza is the worlds largest open air prison. Israel is not.

You might want to think about how you express your disdain for Israel and the US. Several of your posts here have been borderline trolling.

[North American Imperial State]

Oh but it is
Tell us why you think they are not a terror group

I've got £10 on a whataboutism regarding America.

I will raise it to £20

[Insaanistan]

I've got £10 on a whataboutism regarding America.

I will raise it to £20

If I were a betting person, I’d bet 40 bucks.