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Postby SD_Film Artists » Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:11 pm

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I've got £10 on a whataboutism regarding America.

I will raise it to £20


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North American Imperial State wrote:I will raise it to £20


If I were a betting person, I’d bet 40 bucks.



It's good to have that solidarity there but I like risky bets; if we look at the current NSG bookies' odds it could go either way; 'whataboutism regarding Israel' is going at 8/1, 'something something colonialsm' is at 4/1. 'Quds fanboy' has been in good form lately after previous losses during this season but it's still on an outside chance of 1/5.
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Postby Mannixa Prime » Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:13 pm

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Mannixa Prime wrote:I understand what your getting at and I realize Israeli citizens are targeted in retaliation after Israel commits their usual war crimes.

They have no choice not to though since the Israeli populace is some shape or form supports their governments actions.

Gaza is the worlds largest open air prison. Israel is not.

You might want to think about how you express your disdain for Israel and the US. Several of your posts here have been borderline trolling.

Whoops my bad, Israel is swell and good and totally a normal country.

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:17 pm

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Farnhamia wrote:You might want to think about how you express your disdain for Israel and the US. Several of your posts here have been borderline trolling.

Whoops my bad, Israel is swell and good and totally a normal country.

Those pesky Palestinians am I right?

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Postby Shofercia » Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:11 pm

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Nope, Israel is continuing to target Hezbollah. From the quote:



Whether or not Israel, who's not invited to Syria, has a right to take out Hezbollah, who were legitimately invited to Syria, is a different story, but in the Middle East might makes right. It's a dangerous gamble for Israel though, because if Israel fails, Hezbollah is going to direct its ire at Israel, rather than attempting to dominate certain aspects of Syria and a good chunk of Lebanon.


Indeed, the normaly good relations between Israel and Hezbollah may get a bit frosty; they could end up closing embassys or even voting down eachother in the European Song Contest :unsure: Edit: my mistake, only Israel is in the ESC and not Hezbollah.


That's some fine snark that misses the point - yeah, Israel and Hezbollah hate each others' guts, but the question is "how much?" because Hezbollah might take over Lebanon eventually, and if Hezbollah views Israel as a threat to their very existence, they might focus on harassing Israel rather than improving lives in Lebanon. Israel is making a gamble that they can take out even Hezbollah cells in Syria to allow non-Hezbollah Lebanese forces a chance to stand. What if the gamble fails?


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Nope, Israel is continuing to target Hezbollah. From the quote:



Whether or not Israel, who's not invited to Syria, has a right to take out Hezbollah, who were legitimately invited to Syria, is a different story, but in the Middle East might makes right. It's a dangerous gamble for Israel though, because if Israel fails, Hezbollah is going to direct its ire at Israel, rather than attempting to dominate certain aspects of Syria and a good chunk of Lebanon.


It also targeted a village and some Syrian non-Iranian backed sites.


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Postby Kexholm Karelia » Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:23 pm

This OP is very bad, you should cite something other than Syrian state media because it’s clearly anti-semitic
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Postby La Xinga » Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:27 pm

*US Kills Soleimani*

Is US trying to to take more of Iran?

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Postby Insaanistan » Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:34 pm

Kexholm Karelia wrote:This OP is very bad, you should cite something other than Syrian state media because it’s clearly anti-semitic


What about being against a nation that routinely violates UN Resolutions is anti-Semitic?
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Postby Insaanistan » Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:35 pm

La xinga wrote:*US Kills Soleimani*

Is US trying to to take more of Iran?

Surprise Surprise, Enemies are Enemies. They war.

Yeah, they killed Soleimani. It’s not like the US bombed Tehran twice in two weeks, a couple years after they illegally annexed Khuzestan and parts of the surrounding countries.
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Postby Adamede » Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:53 pm

Middle East is a shit show, has been since the Ottoman Empire was divided up after WW1.

However these sorts of incidents have been ongoing for a while, and it won’t end until one (or both) is destroyed.
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Postby La Xinga » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:01 pm

Insaanistan wrote:
La xinga wrote:*US Kills Soleimani*

Is US trying to to take more of Iran?

Surprise Surprise, Enemies are Enemies. They war.

Yeah, they killed Soleimani. It’s not like the US bombed Tehran twice in two weeks, a couple years after they illegally annexed Khuzestan and parts of the surrounding countries.

War exists.

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Postby North American Imperial State » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:29 pm

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Insaanistan wrote:Yeah, they killed Soleimani. It’s not like the US bombed Tehran twice in two weeks, a couple years after they illegally annexed Khuzestan and parts of the surrounding countries.

War exists.

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Postby Rusozak » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:31 pm

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Kexholm Karelia wrote:This OP is very bad, you should cite something other than Syrian state media because it’s clearly anti-semitic


What about being against a nation that routinely violates UN Resolutions is anti-Semitic?


Well, "Zionist enemy" for one. That phrase is like, anti-Semitism 101.
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Postby Novo Portugal » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:38 pm

Seriously the middle east is so fucked up it's just sad. What Israel gains by attacking Syria is beyond me, seriously. Doesn't make sense to me, at all, specially when the alternative to Assad's is usually people who hate Israel and Israelis even more and would be really much more aggressive about getting their territories back.
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Postby Nakena » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:51 pm

Novo Portugal wrote:Seriously the middle east is so fucked up it's just sad. What Israel gains by attacking Syria is beyond me, seriously. Doesn't make sense to me, at all, specially when the alternative to Assad's is usually people who hate Israel and Israelis even more and would be really much more aggressive about getting their territories back.


Probably they bombed some Hizbollah types that moved around some assets in the corner. Its usually the reason for their attacks. This wasnt the first one and wont be the last one.

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Postby Adamede » Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:01 pm

Novo Portugal wrote:Seriously the middle east is so fucked up it's just sad. What Israel gains by attacking Syria is beyond me, seriously. Doesn't make sense to me, at all, specially when the alternative to Assad's is usually people who hate Israel and Israelis even more and would be really much more aggressive about getting their territories back.

These attacks are generally done because Israel see it as a preemptive strike against those who pose a risk to their sovereignty.

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Postby Novo Portugal » Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:04 pm

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Probably they bombed some Hizbollah types that moved around some assets in the corner. Its usually the reason for their attacks. This wasnt the first one and wont be the last one.


Yeah I know, it's just that everything is always on the edge there, it's all a hot mess oh multilateral conflicts and horrible diplomatic decisions, needless wars and deaths for nothing. Israel isn't going to disappear nor are the Palestinians, its about time they find a solution for these two countries and then try to calm down the neighborhood. Then again it's all very complex and the diplomatic game so hard to play in that region that that I don't really think it's going to have peace anytime soon.
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Postby Adamede » Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:08 pm

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Nakena wrote:Israel isn't going to disappear nor are the Palestinians...

Eh, this shit don’t going to end peacefully, so I wouldn’t rule out this ending in genocide of one or both sides; probably of the nuclear variety.

Of course that’s the distant future and I can’t see the future.
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Postby Insaanistan » Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:18 pm

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What about being against a nation that routinely violates UN Resolutions is anti-Semitic?


Well, "Zionist enemy" for one. That phrase is like, anti-Semitism 101.


Please tell me you’re joking.
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Postby Rusozak » Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:25 pm

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Well, "Zionist enemy" for one. That phrase is like, anti-Semitism 101.


Please tell me you’re joking.


No? It's kind of falling into that Nazi "international jewry" rhetoric. Just say the state of Israel. "Zionist enemy" has a broader connotation and at least in the West is mostly just used by anti-Semites as a way to sound less overtly racist. You wouldn't appreciate Syria being called an "Arab horde" or "Islamist enemy" would you?
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Postby Insaanistan » Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:36 pm

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Please tell me you’re joking.


No? It's kind of falling into that Nazi "international jewry" rhetoric. Just say the state of Israel. "Zionist enemy" has a broader connotation and at least in the West is mostly just used by anti-Semites as a way to sound less overtly racist. You wouldn't appreciate Syria being called an "Arab horde" or "Islamist enemy" would you?

If ISIS took over Syria, I wouldn’t object to it being called “Islamist enemy.” But Zionist isn’t an ethnic group: it’s a political movement.
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Postby Glorious Hong Kong » Thu Nov 26, 2020 12:19 pm

Nothing new or interesting to see here if true. Israel attacks Hezbollah and Iranian-backed militias in Syria every now and then. Nothing wrong with that. Gotta keep those borders secure, you know.
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Postby La Xinga » Thu Nov 26, 2020 12:58 pm

Insaanistan wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
No? It's kind of falling into that Nazi "international jewry" rhetoric. Just say the state of Israel. "Zionist enemy" has a broader connotation and at least in the West is mostly just used by anti-Semites as a way to sound less overtly racist. You wouldn't appreciate Syria being called an "Arab horde" or "Islamist enemy" would you?

If ISIS took over Syria, I wouldn’t object to it being called “Islamist enemy.” But Zionist isn’t an ethnic group: it’s a political movement.

So can we call ISIS an "Islamic enemy"?

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Postby Insaanistan » Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:20 pm

La xinga wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:If ISIS took over Syria, I wouldn’t object to it being called “Islamist enemy.” But Zionist isn’t an ethnic group: it’s a political movement.

So can we call ISIS an "Islamic enemy"?

No. Just like if he said “Jewish enemy”, I would have been against it.
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Postby La Xinga » Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:41 pm

Insaanistan wrote:
La xinga wrote:So can we call ISIS an "Islamic enemy"?

No. Just like if he said “Jewish enemy”, I would have been against it.

Fine. "Islamist enemy?"

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