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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:40 am

Witiland wrote:So long as you think that there will always be war and hate. Imagine let’s just say it’s hypothetical that demons and sprits exist. Now you still don’t believe in them and doubt their existence ok... wouldn’t it be the perfect cover up for demons to convince you they are not real? How can you fight something you can’t see? Corona is so small yet so damaging. There was so many tiny things that we can’t see that have a huge impact. So I don’t care if you believe or not, I respect your beliefs either way, but if your willing to listen I’ll gladly share my thoughts

...the difference between ghosties and coronavirus is that with the correct scientific equipment we can actually see coronavirus and certify that it exists.

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The New California Republic wrote:Sorry but I'm absolutely not giving you an inch on this one; telling mentally ill people that "there is an evil demon influencing them" is extremely harmful to them.

And giving them addicting drugs with even more side effects is not?

Drugs where the harms outweigh the benefits should not be used. If they are then that's an example of bad medical practice, but it isn't broadly reflective of mental health treatment.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:41 am

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Ethel mermania wrote:Its human v human, no need to blame this on others


So long as you think that there will always be war and hate. Imagine let’s just say it’s hypothetical that demons and sprits exist. Now you still don’t believe in them and doubt their existence ok... wouldn’t it be the perfect cover up for demons to convince you they are not real? How can you fight something you can’t see? Corona is so small yet so damaging. There was so many tiny things that we can’t see that have a huge impact. So I don’t care if you believe or not, I respect your beliefs either way, but if your willing to listen I’ll gladly share my thoughts


With a microscope you can see the corona virus. Rubbing alcohol is enormously effective against corona.

I do think war and hate will exist as long as there aRe mammals around.

If hypothetically speaking demons did exist, agreed combating them would make a lot of sense. However you would have to find out what kind of demon you are dealing with to fight them, and as demons would be supernatural beings my money is on them.
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Postby Witiland » Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:42 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Witiland wrote:So long as you think that there will always be war and hate. Imagine let’s just say it’s hypothetical that demons and sprits exist. Now you still don’t believe in them and doubt their existence ok... wouldn’t it be the perfect cover up for demons to convince you they are not real? How can you fight something you can’t see? Corona is so small yet so damaging. There was so many tiny things that we can’t see that have a huge impact. So I don’t care if you believe or not, I respect your beliefs either way, but if your willing to listen I’ll gladly share my thoughts

...the difference between ghosties and coronavirus is that with the correct scientific equipment we can actually see coronavirus and certify that it exists.

Witiland wrote:And giving them addicting drugs with even more side effects is not?

Drugs where the harms outweigh the benefits should not be used. If they are then that's an example of bad medical practice, but it isn't broadly reflective of mental health treatment.



I’m all for mental health treatment but not going to rely on that 100%. And maybe with the right gear like praying and putting on the armor of god allows you to see the sprits... :)
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Postby Hirota » Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:43 am

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The New California Republic wrote:Sorry but I'm absolutely not giving you an inch on this one; telling mentally ill people that "there is an evil demon influencing them" is extremely harmful to them.



And giving them addicting drugs with even more side effects is not?
If both things are harmful, maybe we shouldn't be encouraging either of them.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:44 am

Witiland wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Sorry but I'm absolutely not giving you an inch on this one; telling mentally ill people that "there is an evil demon influencing them" is extremely harmful to them.



And giving them addicting drugs with even more side effects is not?


Depends on the drug, I break my leg, give me morphine.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:45 am

Witiland wrote:I’m all for mental health treatment but not going to rely on that 100%.

Nope, still absolutely not giving you an inch on this. Attributing someone's mental illness to demonic possession does the person a grave disservice.

Witiland wrote:And maybe with the right gear like praying and putting on the armor of god allows you to see the sprits... :)

Ha. No.
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Postby Witiland » Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:49 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Witiland wrote:

And giving them addicting drugs with even more side effects is not?


Depends on the drug, I break my leg, give me morphine.


Hmm idk what you trying to say, but my dad had an experience with drugs. When I wa storing my dad brown hai leg, he ha dot take something alike to synthetic herion and he got addicted to it because his doctor over dosed him and mistreated him. It took my mother to stop him. Now it’s not always malpractice sometimes it’s a honest mistake and that’s why I rely on god. Laugh at me all you want but I’m fine with that!
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:51 am

Witiland wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Depends on the drug, I break my leg, give me morphine.

Hmm idk what you trying to say, but my dad had an experience with drugs. When I wa storing my dad brown hai leg, he ha dot take something alike to synthetic herion and he got addicted to it because his doctor over dosed him and mistreated him.

Again the occasional instances of malpractice is not an argument against medical treatment.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:54 am

Picairn wrote:Weirdest hangover ever.

This line is particularly telling:

Ivan De Witte wrote:A very beautiful female angel was sitting on my bed

Note very beautiful and female and on my bed.
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Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:57 am

Personally, I think you hallucinated.

However, if the perceived presence of angels and demons helped you cope and overcome your addiction, then more the power to you.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:04 am

Witiland wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Depends on the drug, I break my leg, give me morphine.


Hmm idk what you trying to say, but my dad had an experience with drugs. When I wa storing my dad brown hai leg, he ha dot take something alike to synthetic herion and he got addicted to it because his doctor over dosed him and mistreated him. It took my mother to stop him. Now it’s not always malpractice sometimes it’s a honest mistake and that’s why I rely on god. Laugh at me all you want but I’m fine with that!

What i am trying to say is that many drugs are worth the risk of the side effects for the benefits provided.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:18 am

Witiland wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:...the difference between ghosties and coronavirus is that with the correct scientific equipment we can actually see coronavirus and certify that it exists.


Drugs where the harms outweigh the benefits should not be used. If they are then that's an example of bad medical practice, but it isn't broadly reflective of mental health treatment.



I’m all for mental health treatment but not going to rely on that 100%. And maybe with the right gear like praying and putting on the armor of god allows you to see the sprits... :)


Do you believe that all mental health issues involve malicious spirits? And by 'issues' I mean anything which is neurodivergent yet not necessarily harmful to the person. Do I have a bad spirit for being autistic?
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Postby New yugoslavaia » Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:23 am

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Witiland wrote:

I’m all for mental health treatment but not going to rely on that 100%. And maybe with the right gear like praying and putting on the armor of god allows you to see the sprits... :)


Do you believe that all mental health issues involve malicious spirits? And by 'issues' I mean anything which is neurodivergent yet not neccerily harmful to the person. Do I have a bad spirit for being autistic?


Same here. I have autism. Am I possessed? Do I need to be exorcised? Because I'm an atheist/agnostic and I've done fine in life. I'm even close to being normal social interaction wise. Still slightly eccentric, but what's wrong with that?
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Postby Sundiata » Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:43 am

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Postby Geneviev » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:24 am

I do believe in angels and demons, but maybe not in the same way you do. I don't think angels really get involved in the world, but demons do try.
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Postby Sundiata » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:26 am

Geneviev wrote:I do believe in angels and demons, but maybe not in the same way you do. I don't think angels really get involved in the world, but demons do try.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:27 am

The cure for possession by a demon, is another demon.

You don't want angels anywhere near your mortal ass, believe me.
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Postby Geneviev » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:32 am

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Geneviev wrote:I do believe in angels and demons, but maybe not in the same way you do. I don't think angels really get involved in the world, but demons do try.

Dear, you'd be surprised.

Maybe. I can only say that I've never seen any evidence of angels.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:35 am

Witiland wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:As a Christian I do believe that angels exist. I'm somewhat sceptical of those who claim to have interacted with them, though. Regardless of whether your angelic visitor was an actual messenger of God or a product of your imagination, I'm glad that it helped you get past a difficult time in your life.

I’m pretty sure there are different types of angels like I think one of them are messengers,some warriors,etc

"Angel" literally means "messenger." It's derived from the Late Greek ἄγγελος. So it's not at all inaccurate to describe all angels as "messengers" although in Christian mythology and folklore they are indeed portrayed fulfilling a range of roles.
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Postby Nakena » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:58 am

Ah another of those threads.

If Demons exist I was possessed by one last year.

Wild times. Now its somewhat slightly more boring.

Mostly.

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Postby Witiland » Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:14 am

New yugoslavaia wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:
Do you believe that all mental health issues involve malicious spirits? And by 'issues' I mean anything which is neurodivergent yet not neccerily harmful to the person. Do I have a bad spirit for being autistic?


Same here. I have autism. Am I possessed? Do I need to be exorcised? Because I'm an atheist/agnostic and I've done fine in life. I'm even close to being normal social interaction wise. Still slightly eccentric, but what's wrong with that?

I believe that not all people get possessed more likely than not the demons/spirits can influence you. Secondly you don't need anything, you don't believe in fine with that. But if you want my honest opinion I feel bad for you that you have nag accosted Jesus but hey that's ok we all have free will your life. What austism is generational curses, basically is one person in your family is prone to cancer or if the famiky is prone to going to jail,that's generational curses. It started from one generation and goes to the next. But you don't have to take my word for it. I respect you beliefs man and I hope you are fine today! :) :blush:
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:17 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Picairn wrote:Weirdest hangover ever.

This line is particularly telling:

Ivan De Witte wrote:A very beautiful female angel was sitting on my bed

Note very beautiful and female and on my bed.


Happens to me all the time.

But I'm not about to tell her, she would think that something is up :lol:
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Postby Witiland » Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:19 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Witiland wrote: I’m pretty sure there are different types of angels like I think one of them are messengers,some warriors,etc

"Angel" literally means "messenger." It's derived from the Late Greek ἄγγελος. So it's not at all inaccurate to describe all angels as "messengers" although in Christian mythology and folklore they are indeed portrayed fulfilling a range of roles.



True true,we all have a main purpose (to help expand the kingdom of god) and different roles in that purpose
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Postby Nakena » Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:21 am

Witiland wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:"Angel" literally means "messenger." It's derived from the Late Greek ἄγγελος. So it's not at all inaccurate to describe all angels as "messengers" although in Christian mythology and folklore they are indeed portrayed fulfilling a range of roles.



True true,we all have a main purpose (to help expand the kingdom of god) and different roles in that purpose


What if I wanna just burn it down?

I am with the Demons then?

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