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As title says, should China exist? In their country there are millions suffering from malnutrition and concentration camps, people suffering from systemic human rights abuse and work long hours in forced labour, and many even in an economically developing nation are left homeless and in want. In this terribly unequal China, can the glorification of Mao, Xi Jingping, and Ulghur muslim persecution even be justified? I say no- that China should not be allowed their human rights violations of their people to enrich themselves with sick communist ideologies. I support a social democratic system which grants any person the self-evident rights to life, liberty and happiness.

So, do you believe China should exist? I look forward to your comments.

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Seemed like a stupid question 2 months ago to me.

One cannot revoke a country's right to exist because its government does bad things. If that were possible than virtually none of the countries presently in existence would have the right to be.

Are you showing your stupidity?

Or are you finally crazy after discovering that China’s collapse is just a long dream?

Saying a government shouldn't exist? Yes. Saying an entire country shouldn't exist is dubious.

Nevertopia wrote: In their country there are millions suffering from malnutrition and concentration camps, people suffering from systemic human rights abuse and work long hours in forced labour, and many even in an economically developing nation are left homeless and in want.

That are the USA, dude...

Sungoldy-China wrote:Are you showing your stupidity?

Or are you finally crazy after discovering that China’s collapse is just a long dream?

*** Warned for flaming. ***

Given that just under 10% of your 30-something posts have now accrued warnings, you might want to think about your posting style; next time you might be looking at a ban.

Sure, as long as they weren't trying to actively buy other countries out from under them. The Chinese people deserve a homeland.

Yes,China should exist.
Not forever,there is no thing forever.
But be fair,there are many countries existing.
Try to answer this question,"Which kind of countries should exist?"

The New California Republic wrote:Saying a government shouldn't exist? Yes. Saying an entire country shouldn't exist is dubious.

Exactly; this is a silly question. The CCP government shouldn't be in power, but the entity known as China by all means should. Perhaps it should be ruled by the current Taiwanese government.

Zetastan wrote:

Nevertopia wrote: In their country there are millions suffering from malnutrition and concentration camps, people suffering from systemic human rights abuse and work long hours in forced labour, and many even in an economically developing nation are left homeless and in want.

That are the USA, dude...

No, it's really not.

Aaand today in NSG calls for national destruction (and the ethnic cleansing/genocide package that would entail)...

Should China exist? Yes! Should the CCP exist? No

Polska Rzeczpospolita Robotnicza wrote:Aaand today in NSG calls for national destruction (and the ethnic cleansing/genocide package that would entail)...

Not necessarily. A country dissolving can result in those things, but is far from being an absolute.

Existence does not require reason, only facts.

In the long history since CCP take over China at 1949 ，the world want to find reason of CCP China exist .

But the fact is CCP China flourish after Korean War，Vietnam War，Sino-Indian War，Three-year natural disaster，Sino-Soviet split，
Sino-Soviet border war，Great Leap Forward，Cultural Revolution，Tiananmen Square.

After all these ,CCP China still one of Permanent member of the United Nations Security Council.

The New California Republic wrote:

Polska Rzeczpospolita Robotnicza wrote:Aaand today in NSG calls for national destruction (and the ethnic cleansing/genocide package that would entail)...

Not necessarily. A country dissolving can result in those things, but is far from being an absolute.

Without brainwashing or assimilation of some kind into another nation, you aren't going to be able to wipe out the Chinese national identity. Ultimately, those two things would likely be involved if the belligerent wanted to wipe out China as a nation, as otherwise the Chinese would rebel against a non-Chinese state occupying them (self determination issue).

Ghost Land wrote:

Zetastan wrote:
That are the USA, dude...

No, it's really not.

Literally the USA: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... in-georgia

Polska Rzeczpospolita Robotnicza wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:Not necessarily. A country dissolving can result in those things, but is far from being an absolute.

Without brainwashing or assimilation of some kind into another nation, you aren't going to be able to wipe out the Chinese national identity. Ultimately, those two things would likely be involved if the belligerent wanted to wipe out China as a nation, as otherwise the Chinese would rebel against a non-Chinese state occupying them (self determination issue).

It's conjecture, as without knowing precisely the why's and how's of China's dissolving then we can't know; as this scenario that you have created in this post is assuming that an outside force is attempting to impose it.

What would I do without Dim Sum? Yes, China must exist.

Maybe have China exist under a democratic government and an independent Tibet and Xingjiang

This is giving me serious deja vu vibes...

Zetastan wrote:Literally the USA: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... in-georgia

False equivalence and the dreaded whataboutism to boot! What a perfect combo to defend brutal dictatorships!

Romextly wrote:Maybe have China exist under a democratic government and an independent Tibet and Xingjiang

Tbh I think even a genuine federal system would be better than what they currently have, if for one reason or another full independence wasn't possible.

the government, perhaps not.

the country? uh. I'd very much like the diversity of China to keep existing?

I hope this doesn't verge into war crime territory. We're already at "dubious at best".

The New California Republic wrote:

Romextly wrote:Maybe have China exist under a democratic government and an independent Tibet and Xingjiang

Tbh I think even a genuine federal system would be better than what they currently have, if for one reason or another full independence wasn't possible.

True as they don't have an infuctsttructure. Russia would probably give them aid in support of influence in their government so more Russian Puppets? Though Tibet would probably become a indian puppet

honestly, tho, I don't think any government that can perform those kinds of crimes should be able to continue on as it is. Like, with the US system - we need to fix it so the crimes aren't possible. That'll probably never hapoen, tho and with China working towards digital authoritarianism idk if a better Chinese government will ever happen either

I think China should exist. It’s a wonderful place.

I live in Hong Kong and I’ve travelled to Shenzhen, Beijing, Dalian and other cities. It’s a great nation. The food is good. I like it.