Should China exist? [Yes or No]

[-Ra-]

I... guess?

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[Arshanid Deccan]

History tends to repeat itself and no regime lasts forever. The communists are here today tommorow there will be no CCP. Like always with China, it will eventually break apart into many smaller states, there is a limit as to how much people will silently suffer and eventually once they have nothing left to lose they will question the CCP and demand answers. The CCP can only suppress it's massive population so much, and if enough people rise up, they won't be able to hold on to power for long. Hong Kong, TIbet and Xinjiang today, Beijing, Guangzhou, and Shanghai tommorow.

[Kexholm Karelia]

The Peoples Republic of China is literally hell on the face of the earth that needs to be destroyed and the people liberated

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

The Peoples Republic of China is literally hell on the face of the earth that needs to be destroyed and the people liberated

are you proposing a war? i dunno if that would end well, assuming that any war really "ends well".

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Uh, yes.

Next!

[Volstokn]

Should China itself exist? Yes.
Should we hate its Government for being a group of dictatorial shitbags that have done bad things? Yes.

However you can't revoke a nations right to exist because those in charge are bad people.

[Levy]

No, Taiwan is the legitimate Chinese state, and therefore Commie China is illegitimate, and shouldn't exist.

On top of that, Red China has absolutely no human rights.

EDIT: I don't get what the OP means by China, does he mean Red China, or the whole Chinese culture

[Ankras]

There is no way to frame this question that is not racist, initializing, or pretentious. The People's Republic of China exists, 1.4 billion people live there, and its people have a century of militant history in labor and in arms. The Chinese people determine how they are governed and no one else.

Edit: and it is absolutely fucking rich that the Chinese person to reply to this gets warned for being too rude. OP just asked if his country should fucking exist. Irregardless of previous warns.

[Levy]

There is no way to frame this question that is not racist, initializing, or pretentious. The People's Republic of China exists, 1.4 billion people live there, and its people have a century of militant history in labor and in arms. The Chinese people determine how they are governed and no one else.

Edit: and it is absolutely fucking rich that the Chinese person to reply to this gets warned for being too rude. OP just asked if his country should fucking exist. Irregardless of previous warns.

There’s no clarification that OP comes from China. In fact, he most likely lives in the United States

[Ankras]

There is no way to frame this question that is not racist, initializing, or pretentious. The People's Republic of China exists, 1.4 billion people live there, and its people have a century of militant history in labor and in arms. The Chinese people determine how they are governed and no one else.

Edit: and it is absolutely fucking rich that the Chinese person to reply to this gets warned for being too rude. OP just asked if his country should fucking exist. Irregardless of previous warns.

There’s no clarification that OP comes from China. In fact, he most likely lives in America.

I at no point in that post said OP is from China.

[Levy]

There’s no clarification that OP comes from China. In fact, he most likely lives in America.

I at no point in that post said OP is from China.

“OP just asked if his country should [Censor Bar] exist.”

[Ankras]

I at no point in that post said OP is from China.

“OP just asked if his country should [Censor Bar] exist.”

Yes. Read the sentence before that.

[Levy]

“OP just asked if his country should [Censor Bar] exist.”

Yes. Read the sentence before that.

Apologies.

[Asherahan]

Maybe have China exist under a democratic government and an independent Tibet and Xingjiang

How about no?

[Glorious Hong Kong]

The Peoples Republic of China is literally hell on the face of the earth that needs to be destroyed and the people liberated

are you proposing a war? i dunno if that would end well, assuming that any war really "ends well".

He wouldn't be the first. CCP delenda est.

[Devionsa]

Yes. It exists, it has over a billion people living there, it has existed for millenias, and basically the whole global economy depends on it.

Why are these questions allowed btw? There is obviously not going to be any sort of productive conversation here. Also, someone's back

[Freiheit Reich]

Should China exist? Yes! Should the CCP exist? No

I dislike the CCP but most people in mainland China love it. In fact, more Red Chinese support Xi Jinping than Americans support Donald Trump, Obama, Biden, or George W. Bush. This means the CCP is satisfying the majority of their citizens. You hardly ever see criticism against the CCP in mainland China and Xi Jinping was chosen as leader for life by 99.9% of delegates. Trump or Obama could never get this kind of support in their wildest dreams. Even Jesus (arguably the greatest person in history) couldn't get this support. It should exist as long as PRC citizens approve of it.

China's Xi allowed to remain 'president for life' as term limits removed

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-43361276

Two delegates voted against the change and three abstained, out of 2,964 votes.

[Freiheit Reich]

The Peoples Republic of China is literally hell on the face of the earth that needs to be destroyed and the people liberated

The PRC is quite developed and not Hell on Earth. Bangladesh, North Korea, and Somalia are much worse. Most of the PRC people love the CCP don't want to be liberated.

[Freiheit Reich]

Yes. It exists, it has over a billion people living there, it has existed for millenias, and basically the whole global economy depends on it.

Why are these questions allowed btw? There is obviously not going to be any sort of productive conversation here. Also, someone's back

The whole global economy did fine when the PRC chose almost self-isolation in the 1960's. If the PRC decided to self-isolate again, the world would be fine although some big companies might have to take a 5% cut in profits by manufacturing in Vietnam or Mexico instead.

[Judea-Jordan]

Hmm. Maybe some regions of China should split off, like an independent Cantonese state, Tibet, Uyghurstan, and a Hui state? Other than that, I see no reason why China shouldn't exist.

[Elsa De Arendelle]

Even Jesus (arguably the greatest person in history) couldn't get this support in relation to Xi Jinpooh.

This is why true Christianity is suppressed in China. They know that 99% of their citizens would accept Jesus if they heard the real Gospel.

[Adamede]

Even Jesus (arguably the greatest person in history) couldn't get this support in relation to Xi Jinpooh.

This is why true Christianity is suppressed in China. They know that 99% of their citizens would accept Jesus if they heard the real Gospel.

Christianity has been proselytized in the region for centuries, I sincerely doubt your claims.

[Devionsa]

The whole global economy did fine when the PRC chose almost self-isolation in the 1960's. If the PRC decided to self-isolate again, the world would be fine although some big companies might have to take a 5% cut in profits by manufacturing in Vietnam or Mexico instead.

And the economy hasn't changed in 60 years?

[Elbren]

China should exist cos then capitalist nations like myself get to exploit it’s abundant resources. However, their retarded government makes things harder than they need to be. Thus, the CCP should not exist whilst China should.

[The Free Joy State]

China, the nation. Yes.

The CCP, no. The CCP is responsible for the things cited in the OP and more (what has been dubbed the "ethnic cleansing" of the Uighur Muslims; the "disappearing" of political opponents who are given electric shocks and forced to take unneeded medication; the systematic human rights abuses: the denial of rights of protest, of free opinion and expression, of free religion, of freedom from arbitrary interference and the lack of an impartial justice system that is free from improper influence; forced organ removal from political prisoners; forced abortions and sterilisation).

The CCP should be removed, so that China -- and the wonderful Chinese people and their history and culture -- can be preserved long into the future, not subsumed by "Ji Xinping Thought".

God, I wish we could have a China thread without people ignorantly associating all the horrible shit China does with communism. China is not a communist state. China is not a socialist state. You would think this would be evident when it's a country with the fastest growing number of billionaires and a huge income disparity, but no.

Imagine if every time we talked about North Korea someone had to be like "It's called Democratic Republic of Korea, and they have concentration camps and worship their leaders like a cult, that's what democratic republics do! Democracy and republics are evil!"

Did you know that North Korea actually has 3 parties and one of them call themselves social democrats? Do you consider them social democrats? Then stop calling the PRC government communist.

Glad someone said it.