Should China exist? [Yes or No]

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God, I wish we could have a China thread without people ignorantly associating all the horrible shit China does with communism. China is not a communist state. China is not a socialist state. You would think this would be evident when it's a country with the fastest growing number of billionaires and a huge income disparity, but no.

Imagine if every time we talked about North Korea someone had to be like "It's called Democratic Republic of Korea, and they have concentration camps and worship their leaders like a cult, that's what democratic republics do! Democracy and republics are evil!"

Did you know that North Korea actually has 3 parties and one of them call themselves social democrats? Do you consider them social democrats? Then stop calling the PRC government communist.

[An-Tanwir]

modern china should be overthrown are restructured under the MCPC

[The Shadow Lotus]

Rather stupid question. Just because the current goverment is bad dosent mean an ancient country with a long history and rich culture should be erased. The Mandate of Heaven exists for a reason.

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Rather stupid question. Just because the current goverment is bad dosent mean an ancient country with a long history and rich culture should be erased. The Mandate of Heaven exists for a reason.

I would think the OP probably meant "should the People's Republic of China exist?" as it's a given that China is going to exist in some form or another.

[New American Unionist State]

The Peoples Republic should be wiped off the face of the earth but China itself no. Facinating history and food. Dont forget the food.

[United Kingdom of British Isles]

As title says, should China exist? In their country there are millions suffering from malnutrition and concentration camps, people suffering from systemic human rights abuse and work long hours in forced labour, and many even in an economically developing nation are left homeless and in want. In this terribly unequal China, can the glorification of Mao, Xi Jingping, and Ulghur muslim persecution even be justified? I say no- that China should not be allowed their human rights violations of their people to enrich themselves with sick communist ideologies. I support a social democratic system which grants any person the self-evident rights to life, liberty and happiness.

So, do you believe China should exist? I look forward to your comments.

This question has no meaning. Mainly because China already exists.
From a moral view what China is doing is wrong, but the definition of wrong is not universal. Less than 400 years ago europeans considered it their religious and moral duty to rid the new world of their barbaric and lesser people in the name of jesus christ. Values evolve, change and differ throught time and place.
Oppression and subjugation is a sad but honest part of human existence and a country is more than its government.
Life for a majority of Chinese people has been substantially better than just a generation ago. Try reading more about what the communist government has achieved in the last 30-40 years.

TL;DR: Yes, China has every right to exist just like any other nation on Earth.

[Gayaan]

You could've phrase it better...
China is a country with a massive population, all of them have the right to exist so if we take your question litterally, then yes, of course.
This being said, the chinese goverment's crimes against it's people and the enviroment are unnacceptable and I hope that, once again, China can overthrow their goverment and install a new one, hopefully democratic and free from foreign domination.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Existence does not require reason, only facts.

Hmm. Are there facts without reason?

In the long history since CCP take over China at 1949

It's not that long. Less than a century. Chinese history is measured in millennia, yes?

，the world want to find reason of CCP China exist .

But the fact is CCP China flourish after Korean War，Vietnam War，Sino-Indian War，Three-year natural disaster，Sino-Soviet split，
Sino-Soviet border war，Great Leap Forward，Cultural Revolution，Tiananmen Square.

A panda bothered by flies. Nothing to Great China.

After all these ,CCP China still one of Permanent member of the United Nations Security Council.

France still one of the Permanent Members of the United Nations Security Council. Enough said.

[Ghost Land]

God, I wish we could have a China thread without people ignorantly associating all the horrible shit China does with communism. China is not a communist state. China is not a socialist state. You would think this would be evident when it's a country with the fastest growing number of billionaires and a huge income disparity, but no.

Imagine if every time we talked about North Korea someone had to be like "It's called Democratic Republic of Korea, and they have concentration camps and worship their leaders like a cult, that's what democratic republics do! Democracy and republics are evil!"

Did you know that North Korea actually has 3 parties and one of them call themselves social democrats? Do you consider them social democrats? Then stop calling the PRC government communist.

Exactly. The "Communist" Party of China is really only "communist" in name. I've known a lot of people who think Russia is still communist and no different than it was during the Soviet Era as well.

[Ethel mermania]

Existence does not require reason, only facts.

Hmm. Are there facts without reason?

In the long history since CCP take over China at 1949

It's not that long. Less than a century. Chinese history is measured in millennia, yes?

，the world want to find reason of CCP China exist .

But the fact is CCP China flourish after Korean War，Vietnam War，Sino-Indian War，Three-year natural disaster，Sino-Soviet split，
Sino-Soviet border war，Great Leap Forward，Cultural Revolution，Tiananmen Square.

A panda bothered by flies. Nothing to Great China.

After all these ,CCP China still one of Permanent member of the United Nations Security Council.

France still one of the Permanent Members of the United Nations Security Council. Enough said.

And China and France have superior food. Its all right.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

China should exist. Its current government? Ehhhh

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Yes China should exist. Not CCP controlled China though.

[Indolos]

China is more capitalist than the US

[Nuroblav]

Yes, but not with its current authoritarianism. Not a fan of state capitalism if you ask me, but it goes to show how much they've driven things into the ground, whether politically or environmentally (I mean, look at Linfen ).

But still, long traffic jam go brrrr

[Natangia]

Of course, China should exist. It's the Marxist regime of the PRC that shouldn't.

[Aeritai]

The CCP needs to go, but China as a country should exist we have to remember there are still innocent people that live in China.

[Nevertopia]

Existence does not require reason, only facts.

In the long history since CCP take over China at 1949 ，the world want to find reason of CCP China exist .

But the fact is CCP China flourish after Korean War，Vietnam War，Sino-Indian War，Three-year natural disaster，Sino-Soviet split，
Sino-Soviet border war，Great Leap Forward，Cultural Revolution，Tiananmen Square.

After all these ,CCP China still one of Permanent member of the United Nations Security Council.

Xi Jinping is a horrible ruler, wouldn't you agree?

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Existence does not require reason, only facts.

In the long history since CCP take over China at 1949 ，the world want to find reason of CCP China exist .

But the fact is CCP China flourish after Korean War，Vietnam War，Sino-Indian War，Three-year natural disaster，Sino-Soviet split，
Sino-Soviet border war，Great Leap Forward，Cultural Revolution，Tiananmen Square.

After all these ,CCP China still one of Permanent member of the United Nations Security Council.

I think a country with over a billion people and a bunch of nukes is guaranteed a seat on the UN Security Council no matter what it does.

[Eisensreich]

China should exist, but primarily as a stretch of radioactive glass, with a few dedicated preserves showing their cultural highlights (losing battles, eating household pets, executing civilians, accidentally releasing bioweapons, etc)

[Deacarsia]

No, China should not exist.

[Albrenia]

It certainly needs either a change of government or a move towards not being a totalitarian hellhole.

I don't think it ceasing to exist is desirable, however, considering how many innocents would likely die in such an event.

[Ayanka]

Yes.

[Farnhamia]

China should exist, but primarily as a stretch of radioactive glass, with a few dedicated preserves showing their cultural highlights (losing battles, eating household pets, executing civilians, accidentally releasing bioweapons, etc)

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[Ayanka]

Existence does not require reason, only facts.

In the long history since CCP take over China at 1949 ，the world want to find reason of CCP China exist .

But the fact is CCP China flourish after Korean War，Vietnam War，Sino-Indian War，Three-year natural disaster，Sino-Soviet split，
Sino-Soviet border war，Great Leap Forward，Cultural Revolution，Tiananmen Square.

After all these ,CCP China still one of Permanent member of the United Nations Security Council.

I think a country with over a billion people and a bunch of nukes is guaranteed a seat on the UN Security Council no matter what it does.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India

[Eisensreich]

China should exist, but primarily as a stretch of radioactive glass, with a few dedicated preserves showing their cultural highlights (losing battles, eating household pets, executing civilians, accidentally releasing bioweapons, etc)

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I'm not trolling, I'm dead serious. China has been a blight on this world for several millennia. It is a barbaric nation full of barbaric people, and not even the good kind of barbaric - the kind that makes soup out of human fetuses in the year 2020, and considers a siege where most of the civilians in the city were killed and eaten by the defenders after running out of food a victory because they outlasted the attackers. They are a listless people that embody everything that could possibly go wrong with collectivism. Metaphysically, it is questionable if they even have souls. They and their bugman philosophy pose an existential threat to the entire world; the rest of their existence should serve as nothing but a warning for future generations.

In short - no, they should not exist, and their nonexistence in any state but as a living memorial should be hastened as quickly as possible.