Should China exist? [Yes or No]

[Terentino]

Depends which China are you talking about, if it's the CCP then nope. If it's the KMT or Nationalists then yes

Republic of China, true China

[Shanghai industrial complex]

Depends which China are you talking about, if it's the CCP then nope. If it's the KMT or Nationalists then yes

Republic of China, true China

It seems that everyone likes the weak and incompetent things like ROC.After all, it will become a servant of the US like Japan and South Korea. It's a wonderful sight

[Middle Barael]

One cannot revoke a country's right to exist because its government does bad things. If that were possible than virtually none of the countries presently in existence would have the right to be.

^^^This

I feel like Tibet, Xinjiang/East Turkestan, Hong Kong, Manchuria, Aksai Chin, Inner Mongolia, and even Macao should be given independence if the majority of their population wants to be.

I do feel like the PRC has a legitimate right to rule over the mainland (minus these parts), however, and I do not think the ROC should rule the mainland unless they peacefully obtain power somehow.

In addition, I believe that Taiwan should finally just declare independence and give up its claim on the mainland, and form a new Republic of Taiwan.

And maybe also make the Milk Tea Alliance a real alliance.

[Atheris]

The country? No.

The government it has? Obviously.

Depends which China are you talking about, if it's the CCP then nope. If it's the KMT or Nationalists then yes

Republic of China, true China

It seems that everyone likes the weak and incompetent things like ROC.After all, it will become a servant of the US like Japan and South Korea. It's a wonderful sight

Better than the pseudo-fascist dictatorship we have in the mainland that's committing genocide against non-Han ethnicities in Holocaust-style extermination and concentration camps.

Plus, more US influence isn't inherently a bad thing.

[Cordel One]

Depends which China are you talking about, if it's the CCP then nope. If it's the KMT or Nationalists then yes

Republic of China, true China

Taiwan is still terrible, they're just not as powerful as China. They have sweatshops too, y'know.

[Kexholm Karelia]

Depends which China are you talking about, if it's the CCP then nope. If it's the KMT or Nationalists then yes

Republic of China, true China

Taiwan is still terrible, they're just not as powerful as China. They have sweatshops too, y'know.

Taiwan is a free capitalist democracy, which should have been China before the communists ruined everything

[Punished UMN]

Taiwan is still terrible, they're just not as powerful as China. They have sweatshops too, y'know.

Taiwan is a free capitalist democracy, which should have been China before the communists ruined everything

I don't know why you take for granted that the KMT would have followed the exact same path as it did in Taiwan had it retained control of the mainland.

[Enjuku]

So when are we getting the "Should Europe exist?" or "Should America exist?" posts?

OP intended this to be about the CCP but posing if an entire country should exist reeks of xenophobia at best, racism at worst. Could've been worded much better.

[Nakena]

Republic of China, true China

What he said.

[Cordel One]

Taiwan is still terrible, they're just not as powerful as China. They have sweatshops too, y'know.

Taiwan is a free capitalist democracy, which should have been China before the communists ruined everything

Taiwan is not free, it's a corporate country that forces its people to work in horrible conditions.

[Adamede]

Politics and personal world views.

Personal views determine constitute law which nations must follow?

No, but personal views determine what your perceptions of geopolitics is.

[Punished UMN]

Personal views determine constitute law which nations must follow?

No, but personal views determine what your perceptions of geopolitics is.

Okay, but that's not what I asked.

[Stellar Colonies]

So when are we getting the "Should Europe exist?" or "Should America exist?" posts?

OP intended this to be about the CCP but posing if an entire country should exist reeks of xenophobia at best, racism at worst. Could've been worded much better.

It would be interesting to see the reception of a "Should Israel Exist?" thread.

[United Chinese Communes]

Taiwan is a free capitalist democracy, which should have been China before the communists ruined everything

Taiwan is not free, it's a corporate country that forces its people to work in horrible conditions.

That's the American standard of freedom, at least when it comes to other countries.

[Minarchatopia]

Do you know how expensive it is to produce and sell goods in the United States and western Europe? We need China to exist because without it, business would surely suffer from things like having to pay living wage, which would raise prices and make me as an individual suffer from having to pay more.

[Minarchatopia]

Taiwan is not free, it's a corporate country that forces its people to work in horrible conditions.

That's the American standard of freedom, at least when it comes to other countries.

That's what makes us great

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

You mean this? https://www.google.com/amp/s/supchina.c ... natic/amp/

Yes. Precisely that. I am fairly certain Neko Koku was an follower of Liu Zhongjing thought. Which is precisely related and relevant to the thread here.

He is yet another sociopath just like many Tian’anmen activists and Guo Wengui who is an associate of Steve Bannon. Brilliant Social Darwinist & Machiavellian, he has the same issues most secular social rightist thinkers have, that is, their own views if spread further destroys public morality that they claim to protect and that they shouldn’t actually exist according to their own ideologies.

I think the best argument that China should not exist is that historically Chinese people almost always live better outside China. Even before Europeans arrived rich Chinese communities in Southeast Asia already existed.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Depends which China are you talking about, if it's the CCP then nope. If it's the KMT or Nationalists then yes

Republic of China, true China

It seems that everyone likes the weak and incompetent things like ROC.After all, it will become a servant of the US like Japan and South Korea. It's a wonderful sight

Enjoy being a servant of Xi. It is a myth that Japan and South Korea are not actually independent nations. Militarily, economically, scientifically and technologically they are comparable to at least second tier West European ones such as Italy and Spain. That’s good enough. Moreover Japan and South Korea remain deeply ethnonationalist. The worst cultural problems of the West such as drugs, riots, terrorism and ethnic militants have no place in Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore. That alone is evidence that US or whatever you think controls US does not control these countries.

[Nevertopia]

Yes. Precisely that. I am fairly certain Neko Koku was an follower of Liu Zhongjing thought. Which is precisely related and relevant to the thread here.

He is yet another sociopath just like many Tian’anmen activists and Guo Wengui who is an associate of Steve Bannon. Brilliant Social Darwinist & Machiavellian, he has the same issues most secular social rightist thinkers have, that is, their own views if spread further destroys public morality that they claim to protect and that they shouldn’t actually exist according to their own ideologies.

I think the best argument that China should not exist is that historically Chinese people almost always live better outside China. Even before Europeans arrived rich Chinese communities in Southeast Asia already existed.

No kidding, isnt there entire history based on an authoritarian regime annexing all its neighbouring nations?

wait..oh. oh no.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

He is yet another sociopath just like many Tian’anmen activists and Guo Wengui who is an associate of Steve Bannon. Brilliant Social Darwinist & Machiavellian, he has the same issues most secular social rightist thinkers have, that is, their own views if spread further destroys public morality that they claim to protect and that they shouldn’t actually exist according to their own ideologies.

I think the best argument that China should not exist is that historically Chinese people almost always live better outside China. Even before Europeans arrived rich Chinese communities in Southeast Asia already existed.

No kidding, isnt there entire history based on an authoritarian regime annexing all its neighbouring nations?

wait..oh. oh no.

If you think there is no history of the Chinese outside the history of China then maybe we need to explore the former more. Despite the brutal Chinese regimes restricting emigration using all kinds of means luckily there were indeed people who managed to escape from the largest prison on the planet, namely the Chinese state. They thrived before Europeans and Islam arrived, thrived after they arrived and still thrive today.

[The Holy Britainnian Empire]

While I believe China has a need for reform, saying it shouldn't exist goes a little far

[The Holy Britainnian Empire]

Depends which China are you talking about, if it's the CCP then nope. If it's the KMT or Nationalists then yes

Republic of China, true China

It seems that everyone likes the weak and incompetent things like ROC.After all, it will become a servant of the US like Japan and South Korea. It's a wonderful sight

How are Japan and South Korea servants of the U.S.?

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

It seems that everyone likes the weak and incompetent things like ROC.After all, it will become a servant of the US like Japan and South Korea. It's a wonderful sight

How are Japan and South Korea servants of the U.S.?

Especially when their militaries are stronger than most European ones..

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

While I believe China has a need for reform, saying it shouldn't exist goes a little far

It’s not too far to say that the Roman Empire shouldn’t exist. States are states and people are people. In authoritarian countries behavior of the state do not correlate with behavior of the people. It is fair to say that Taiwanese are responsible for the behavior of Taiwan since Taiwan is a democracy. It makes less but still some sense to say that Pakistanis are responsible for the behavior of Pakistan since it is less democratic. It makes zero sense to say that Chinese are responsible for the behavior of China.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Aaand today in NSG calls for national destruction (and the ethnic cleansing/genocide package that would entail)...

Abolishing China is not genocide. On the other hand it is a necessity to STOP genocides.