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by Postauthoritarian America » Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:58 pm
by Tsaivao » Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:58 pm
Disgraces wrote:Wtf do y'all mean humans aren't supposed to be heterosexual? Did you forget about reproduction?
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by Xelsis » Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:58 pm
by Disgraces » Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:59 pm
Tsaivao wrote:Disgraces wrote:Wtf do y'all mean humans aren't supposed to be heterosexual? Did you forget about reproduction?
Ah yes, because that's definitely what this entire argument hinges on, reproduction.
There's 7 billion of us on this planet, we aren't in any danger of running out, if a few people decide not to engage their biological imperative to mate, then who the fuck cares.
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:59 pm
by Esalia » Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:59 pm
Disgraces wrote:Wtf do y'all mean humans aren't supposed to be heterosexual? Did you forget about reproduction?
by Punished UMN » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:00 pm
by Nuroblav » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:00 pm
Esalia wrote:Be gay, do crime.
by Page » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:00 pm
Postauthoritarian America wrote:Elections have consequences. Did you vote third party or stay home in 2016 because you couldn't bring yourself to vote for the best-qualified Presidential candidate in my lifetime? Then this is on you. Make better choices.
by Xelsis » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:00 pm
by Tsaivao » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:00 pm
Xelsis wrote:Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:You suppose there's actually meaning in biological mechanisms. This is a great chain of being level mistake.
If there is no meaning in biological mechanisms, there is no meaning whatsoever. The very concept of meaning is based off of a biological mechanism, i.e., the brain. Any argument beyond that is just some brand of spiritualism.
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by Punished UMN » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:01 pm
by Geneviev » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:02 pm
Disgraces wrote:Wtf do y'all mean humans aren't supposed to be heterosexual? Did you forget about reproduction?
by Xelsis » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:02 pm
Tsaivao wrote:Xelsis wrote:
If there is no meaning in biological mechanisms, there is no meaning whatsoever. The very concept of meaning is based off of a biological mechanism, i.e., the brain. Any argument beyond that is just some brand of spiritualism.
Forgive me for not being one who considers himself a slave to his biological imperatives. Yeah, I'm supposed to mate and have children, but that seems to fly in the face of the whole "society" thing.
Just because it's biological doesn't mean it's right.
by Arcturus Novus » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:02 pm
Postauthoritarian America wrote:Elections have consequences. Did you vote third party or stay home in 2016 because you couldn't bring yourself to vote for the best-qualified Presidential candidate in my lifetime? Then this is on you. Make better choices.
Disgraces wrote:Wtf do y'all mean humans aren't supposed to be heterosexual? Did you forget about reproduction?
Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.
by Geneviev » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:03 pm
Postauthoritarian America wrote:Elections have consequences. Did you vote third party or stay home in 2016 because you couldn't bring yourself to vote for the best-qualified Presidential candidate in my lifetime? Then this is on you. Make better choices.
by Albrenia » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:03 pm
Disgraces wrote:Tsaivao wrote:Ah yes, because that's definitely what this entire argument hinges on, reproduction.
There's 7 billion of us on this planet, we aren't in any danger of running out, if a few people decide not to engage their biological imperative to mate, then who the fuck cares.
Reminder I'm not fucking demonizing homosexuals.
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:05 pm
by Neutraligon » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:05 pm
by Geneviev » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:05 pm
by Galloism » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:06 pm
Defendants say that the ordinances “safeguard[] the physical and psychological well-being of minors.” Together with their amici, they present a series of reports and studies setting out harms. But when examined closely, these documents offer assertions rather than evidence, at least regarding the effects ofpurely speech-based SOCE. Indeed, a report from the American Psychological Association, relied on by the defendants, concedes that “nonaversive and recent approaches to SOCE have not been rigorously evaluated.”7 In fact, it found a “complete lack” of “rigorous recent prospective research” on SOCE. As for speech-based SOCE, the report notes that recent research indicates that those who have participated have mixed views: “there are individuals who perceive they have been harmed and others who perceive they have benefited from nonaversive SOCE.” What’s more, because of this “complete lack” of rigorous recent research, the report concludes that it has “no clear indication of the prevalence of harmful outcomes among people who have undergone” SOCE.8 We fail to see how, even completely crediting the report, such equivocal conclusions can satisfy strict scrutiny and overcome the strong presumption against content-based limitations on speech.9Still, they say, our confidence should not be shaken: the “relative lack of empirical studies on SOCE is not evidence of lack of harm . . . . If anything, the lack of studies on SOCE may be indicative of the risk of harm.” The district court agreed: “Requiring Defendants to produce specific evidence that engaging in SOCE through talk therapy is as harmful as aversive techniques would likely be futile when so many professional organizations have declared their opposition to SOCE.” In other words, evidence is not necessary when the relevant professional organizations are united.But that is, really, just another way of arguing that majority preference can justify a speech restriction. The “point of the First Amendment,” however, “is that majority preferences must be expressed in some fashion other than silencing speech on the basis of its content.” R.A.V., 505 U.S. at 392. Strict scrutiny cannot be satisfied by professional societies’ opposition to speech. Although we have no reason to doubt that these groups are composed of educated men and women acting in good faith, their institutional positions cannot define the boundaries of constitutional rights. They may hit the right mark—but they may also miss it.
Sometimes by a wide margin, too. It is not uncommon for professional organizations to do an about-face in response to new evidence or new attitudes, but one example stands out as we consider this case. In the first three printings of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, the American Psychiatric Association considered homosexuality a paraphilia, disorder, or disturbance.10Only in 1987 was homosexuality completely delisted from the Manual.11 The Association’s abandoned position is, to put it mildly, broadly disfavored today. But the change itself shows why we cannot rely on professional organizations’ judgments—it would have been horribly wrong to allow the old professional consensus against homosexuality to justify a ban on counseling that affirmed it. Neutral principles work both ways, so we cannot allow a new consensus to justify restrictions on speech. Professional opinions and cultural attitudes may have changed, but the First Amendment has not.
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