NationStates

Old Tanokiana wrote:In other words, the thread slightly derailed

Or in other other words, curses: foiled again!

hexing/cursing someone regardless of age sounds like a bitch move

Salus Maior wrote:

Bluepillar wrote:
it is, actually. thoroughly linked to it. in fact, he wrote a book(s?) about bis working with King Paimon (a goetia) to come up with concepts (classical Jungian concepts) and invent shadow work.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paimon

king Paimon is this dude.

Yeah, I saw Hereditary.

Did Jung ever do drugs, out of curiosity?

Are you asking if a 20th century occultist did drugs, or not? If so, the answer is probably. Psychoactive compounds are pretty common in cultures, or religions, with occult rites. Like there are people that go to the mountains, get high, and come back with a plan on how to address PTSD in a patient lmao

get high, talk to a god, a goetia, or the troublesome thoughts in your mind, get good ideas, or get high and figure out why you are the way you are.

Like I said earlier, witchcraft doesn't have to be real to anyone else. The negative spirit you removed could have been real, or it could have been a creation of your.mind that, by removing, you allowed yourself to be rid of something ailing your thoughts. Altered states of consciousness are a fundamental part of many forms of occultism.

Many you don't even n3ed drugs to achieve. Meditation can allow you to enter an altered state of consciousness. The personal benefits of that have been quite obvious and studies numerous times. Exploring your "spiritual center" (a concept some think is exploring the soul, and can be for some, but which for those who don't believe in the soul is more like facing themselves in a construcyed mental space). Grounding. There's a reason grounding exists both in occultismz and has for aaaages now, and is the name of a coping skill that is taught to neurodivergent children that sometimes suffer from sensory overload. They achieve similar things, though usually through different methods. Learning about, shaping, molding, and confronting yourself are things that sometimes you need to have some sort of coping skill to deal with the side effects of - namely, coping skills like grounding. The knowledge of the mind, and of yourself, are intimately connected and, for some people, that's all occultism needs to be for them.

my thoughts on occultism are as complex as the myriad of kinds of occultists. There are even atheists occultists, who, of course, largely focus on the self and understanding rather than trying to influence the world around them.

Old Tanokiana wrote:In other words, the thread slightly derailed

im having a joy reading this one

Haja-Mishu wrote:hexing/cursing someone regardless of age sounds like a bitch move

yeaaaah. people are toxic haha

My other post got lost in the replies and what not, but I have a question does the occult/witch community have any opinions on DMT?

tbh tho. Carl Jung was, as I understand it, pretty professional. the OSS made him.Agent 488 for a reason.

cool dude. should definitely read up on him.

Mannixa Prime wrote:My other post got lost in the replies and what not, but I have a question does the occult/witch community have any opinions on DMT?

google "entheogen". DMT has been, and is one.

tl:dr of google is that it's a substance used for spiritual, religious, magical, etc, purposes

and yes i did have to actually google the word to know it. I'm just a college student, and my.major is not religious studies. I fucking wish, tho. Maybe I'll minor in it.

Have I ever done DMT? no. it's a big boi felony here, iirc. i dont do anything that could put me in prison, tbh

Bluepillar wrote:

Old Tanokiana wrote:
Bro I can literally go ask a local witch doctor to curse someone, the chances of a curse are low but never 0

I literally have PDFs of entire books filled with fascinating to read but worrying to contemplate (cause homicidal people make everyone uncomfortable, tbh. that's not natural) talkings about cursing.

Not necessarily

No, we shouldn't invite the undue influence of the occult into our lives. There is no refuge there.

Xmara wrote:

Bluepillar wrote:
I literally have PDFs of entire books filled with fascinating to read but worrying to contemplate (cause homicidal people make everyone uncomfortable, tbh. that's not natural) talkings about cursing.

Not necessarily

No? By homicidal, I mean actively wanting to harm someone, not someone with homicidial ideation. There's a clear difference. One is dangerous, the other (I hope) has a therapist that's helping them.

So, when do homicidal people not make you feel uncomfortable? Have you ever been comfortable around a homicidal person?

Bluepillar wrote:

Mannixa Prime wrote:My other post got lost in the replies and what not, but I have a question does the occult/witch community have any opinions on DMT?

google "entheogen". DMT has been, and is one.

tl:dr of google is that it's a substance used for spiritual, religious, magical, etc, purposes

and yes i did have to actually google the word to know it. I'm just a college student, and my.major is not religious studies. I fucking wish, tho. Maybe I'll minor in it.

Have I ever done DMT? no. it's a big boi felony here, iirc. i dont do anything that could put me in prison, tbh

All good I didn’t know what that word was or meant till I googled it myself.

I think it’s definitely something anyone interested in the occult or paganism of any kind should experience. It’s definitely a powerful experience that will definitely stick with you.

Not in a edgy way or a harmful way mind you, but it made me question many things about this world.

Bluepillar wrote:

Xmara wrote:Not necessarily

No? By homicidal, I mean actively wanting to harm someone, not someone with homicidial ideation. There's a clear difference. One is dangerous, the other (I hope) has a therapist that's helping them.

So, when do homicidal people not make you feel uncomfortable? Have you ever been comfortable around a homicidal person?

They don't make me uncomfortable when I'm helping the police catch them. When I finally finish college I'm gonna be the best forensic scientist (and eventually medico-legal death investigator) in the world.

Mannixa Prime wrote:

Bluepillar wrote:
google "entheogen". DMT has been, and is one.

tl:dr of google is that it's a substance used for spiritual, religious, magical, etc, purposes

and yes i did have to actually google the word to know it. I'm just a college student, and my.major is not religious studies. I fucking wish, tho. Maybe I'll minor in it.

Have I ever done DMT? no. it's a big boi felony here, iirc. i dont do anything that could put me in prison, tbh

All good I didn’t know what that word was or meant till I googled it myself.

I think it’s definitely something anyone interested in the occult or paganism of any kind should experience. It’s definitely a powerful experience that will definitely stick with you.

Not in a edgy way or a harmful way mind you, but it made me question many things about this world.

i dont know about me doing that my dude, but maybe if it gets legalized or life happens. tbh, this isnt the first time someone has said something pretty similar to this to me. i just... dont know if ill ever encounter it? im not in dorms rn, tbh, so i dont have access to any "fun" or "mind bending" stuff.

There are forces in this world that are stricken with the most unimaginable pain for their choices. They hate all things good, all things right, and all things sacred. To bring these forces into the presence of a young person is wrong. For the good of your soul, be disgusted with evil.

Sundiata wrote:There are forces in this world that are stricken with the most unimaginable pain for their choices. They hate all things good, all things right, and all things sacred. To bring these forces into the presence of a young person is wrong.

I wouldn't necessarily say all politicians are that bad. Just many of them. But yeah, don't let them kiss your baby.

Bluepillar wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:
Yeah, I saw Hereditary.

Did Jung ever do drugs, out of curiosity?

Are you asking if a 20th century occultist did drugs, or not? If so, the answer is probably. Psychoactive compounds are pretty common in cultures, or religions, with occult rites. Like there are people that go to the mountains, get high, and come back with a plan on how to address PTSD in a patient lmao

get high, talk to a god, a goetia, or the troublesome thoughts in your mind, get good ideas, or get high and figure out why you are the way you are.

Like I said earlier, witchcraft doesn't have to be real to anyone else. The negative spirit you removed could have been real, or it could have been a creation of your.mind that, by removing, you allowed yourself to be rid of something ailing your thoughts. Altered states of consciousness are a fundamental part of many forms of occultism.

Then you are essentially admitting that there isn't really anything real to the occult. Occult practice is just a psychological means of resolving inner issues.

In which case, hexing doesn't actually do anything to anyone else.

Magic and witchcraft may be real.

If it’s real, I would like to learn. I would like to use magic.

And in case anyone is wondering, no, I do not believe in magic.

As I said in my previous post, I don't believe in magic, however in the context of if I did believe in it, myself I would avoid it.

Using such things may well come with costs that I am unaware of. One thing my copious consumption of fiction has taught me is magic is never free.

I still don't get it, what are we doing to these minors again? Are we harming them? If that's the case, why? There are other far more beneficial applications if you believe in this sort of things.

For example, my mom's uncle is said to be able to "cure Down sydrome and autism" with his magical abilities and sells that service to the general public, at least that's what his website says. I also occasionally get ad messages of paranormals offering services to duplicate money, or attract girls, or whatnot.

Absolutely.
A pox on all minors! A pox on them!

I will one day call upon the cold flames of Hades to grant me the power, to invoke the Seven Seals of Tartarus to bring back the Plague of Justinian to send into the bloodstream of those floss-dancing fortnite playing little shits.

Bluepillar wrote:

Senkaku wrote:is kids getting turned into frogs or whatever enough of a problem in society that there needs to be a discussion of its morality lol

in the occult world, there's a group called the Order of Nine Angels. Google them. They tried to start a war. Think some sort of neo nazi demonology cult that focused too hard on the occult interests of certain Nazis.

Honestly? That sounds extremely badass.

You can hex whoever you want because it's just a fantasy, magic isn't real.

Page wrote:You can hex whoever you want because it's just a fantasy, magic isn't real.

I’ll hex you for that.