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Senkaku wrote:is kids getting turned into frogs or whatever enough of a problem in society that there needs to be a discussion of its morality lol

in the occult world, there's a group called the Order of Nine Angels. Google them. They tried to start a war. Think some sort of neo nazi demonology cult that focused too hard on the occult interests of certain Nazis. So, yeah, morality in occultism is a discussion that has to happen now, and soon, even if it's more broadly about whether or not it's okay to try to harm a massive demographic.

Radiatia wrote:I'm sorry, I had a few drinks last night and appear to have woken up in the 16th century. Why the hell are we all casually discussing this as if there's any chance any of this is remotely real?

Bro I can literally go ask a local witch doctor to curse someone, the chances of a curse are low but never 0

It's fun to do on a boring day.

I'm not going to entertain the idea of witchcraft being real because it's not the 17th century, but it's a general rule of thumb that malevolent acts towards children is no bueno. Although I guess it begs the question of if wishing harm on someone is wrong in itself, even if nothing happens of it.

Radiatia wrote:I'm sorry, I had a few drinks last night and appear to have woken up in the 16th century. Why the hell are we all casually discussing this as if there's any chance any of this is remotely real?

This isn't that out there honestly. I don't believe in it either, but it's not so strange that people do.

am i in 2020 or in 1620

someone remind me

Old Tanokiana wrote:

Radiatia wrote:I'm sorry, I had a few drinks last night and appear to have woken up in the 16th century. Why the hell are we all casually discussing this as if there's any chance any of this is remotely real?

Bro I can literally go ask a local witch doctor to curse someone, the chances of a curse are low but never 0

A curse's chances of working are proportional to how much the person on the receiving end believes in curses.

Bluepillar wrote:people that think occultists cant be dangerous live in a preciously naive world where demonologist neo-nazis dont exist.

Nobody thinks they can't be dangerous, but they have to actually get up and do something to be dangerous, not wave their hands around singing "bippity boppity boo!" while imagining someone's head exploding in their bedroom. If that's the extent of your "magic," then there really is nothing to condemn on a moral level except for maybe your personality.

Old Tanokiana wrote:

Radiatia wrote:I'm sorry, I had a few drinks last night and appear to have woken up in the 16th century. Why the hell are we all casually discussing this as if there's any chance any of this is remotely real?

Bro I can literally go ask a local witch doctor to curse someone, the chances of a curse are low but never 0

I literally have PDFs of entire books filled with fascinating to read but worrying to contemplate (cause homicidal people make everyone uncomfortable, tbh. that's not natural) talkings about cursing.

Radiatia wrote:I'm sorry, I had a few drinks last night and appear to have woken up in the 16th century. Why the hell are we all casually discussing this as if there's any chance any of this is remotely real?

AS Pope Clement VIII has decaled denying the existing of witchcraft is supporting witchcraft. As such would you be so kind to lean against that stake atop the pile of logs ?

Farnhamia wrote:A curse's chances of working are proportional to how much the person on the receiving end believes in curses.

Well, in the end, I guess it all comes to down to a matter of your faith.

I don’t fear hexing. My expecto patronus is Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

Farnhamia wrote:

Old Tanokiana wrote:
Bro I can literally go ask a local witch doctor to curse someone, the chances of a curse are low but never 0

A curse's chances of working are proportional to how much the person on the receiving end believes in curses.

Ooo eee, Ooo ah ah, ting tang, walla walla, bing bang!

Heloin wrote:Ooo eee, Ooo ah ah, ting tang, walla walla, bing bang!

Congratulations! You have summoned G O D

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I don’t fear hexing. My expecto patronus is Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

The only thing you have to fear is fear itself. And guns. They're generally speaking more effective than hexes and I wouldn't support using them on anyone.

The Holy Therns wrote:

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I don’t fear hexing. My expecto patronus is Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

The only thing you have to fear is fear itself. And guns. They're generally speaking more effective than hexes and I wouldn't support using them on anyone.

*Bombs

The Holy Therns wrote:

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I don’t fear hexing. My expecto patronus is Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

The only thing you have to fear is fear itself. And guns. They're generally speaking more effective than hexes and I wouldn't support using them on anyone.

Spit balls. Yes. Spit balls.

Old Tanokiana wrote:

Heloin wrote:Ooo eee, Ooo ah ah, ting tang, walla walla, bing bang!

Congratulations! You have summoned G O D

Unfortunately it was Old Testament G-D summoned.
Now there is a bet between G-D and another entity about if you will curse G-D if a bunch of terrible things happen to you.

Giovenith wrote:

Bluepillar wrote:people that think occultists cant be dangerous live in a preciously naive world where demonologist neo-nazis dont exist.

Nobody thinks they can't be dangerous, but they have to actually get up and do something to be dangerous, not wave their hands around singing "bippity boppity boo!" while imagining someone's head exploding in their bedroom. If that's the extent of your "magic," then there really is nothing to condemn on a moral level except for maybe your personality.

I've never hexed someone in my life, and have no intention of doing so. It's a.) too much work with my system, b.) i dont want to waste my time on that when i can just get someone out of my life/never speak to them again, and c.) most of my occultism talents revolge around mental health, self improvement, etc, rather than trying to kill people by talking to some ancient old world goddess. TBH, I much prefer talking to people about, say, detaching a harmful entity and tbe benefits of that. whether the entity was actually real, or something to dowith the mind where I put things that harmed me so that i could discard it doesnt matter much, since it does the same thing whether or not it's strictly real.

exploration of the mind, myself, and my writings is why i got into occultism in the first place. the secret knowledge is, for me, largely a coping skill for a deeply traumatic past.

meditation, confronting my fears, confronting the toxicity i got from.my people aroundme, communicating with my shadow self. modern occultism with a root in Jung's work is more my speed, tbh.

i find personalities that dismiss complex religious issues that, in this instance, show a disturbing, underlying thought process in the people contemplating harming children more problematic in all honesty. they get in the way of actually confronting the issues in my community , of which there are soooo many and instead replace that conversation with veiled insults, a tooting of their own horn, and a way to turn everything into a joke ig, but i just wanted to talk about this one right now

Hexing and cursing are wishing people ill will. Whether you believe in it or not, you are generating negative mental energy which leads to personal stress, strange behavior, putting negative images in your mind. In general it is not a good thing to do. Hexing and cursing are a form of directed anger and hatred. Some call this spiritual warfare. Negative hateful thoughts are generally not good for either the person focusing the thoughts or the person receiving the thought. This is a matter of intent. You would be using your belief to actively harm other people. In the process, you would also be generating negative thoughts, hatred, belief in strange ideas or negative spirits. This is bad all around and a good thing to leave alone.

UniversalCommons wrote:Hexing and cursing are wishing people ill will. Whether you believe in it or not, you are generating negative mental energy which leads to personal stress, strange behavior, putting negative images in your mind. In general it is not a good thing to do. Hexing and cursing are a form of directed anger and hatred. Some call this spiritual warfare. Negative hateful thoughts are generally not good for either the person focusing the thoughts or the person receiving the thought. This is a matter of intent. You would be using your belief to actively harm other people. In the process, you would also be generating negative thoughts, hatred, belief in strange ideas or negative spirits. This is bad all around and a good thing to leave alone.

this is actually a great explanation of why the chance of hexing/beign hexed is low, but never 0. it's exhauuuuusting. you'll find that a lot of people on the LHP who have hexed have some of the similar traits, and can be groiped into a number of areas, but som are sad, angry people, and others are... like... uhm... the people that belief prayer and magic is goodand all, but if you really want to ruin someone's life, then you should do it yourself. the latter is what im worried about right now.

all that hatred doesn't go away when the spell is cast.

If you think hexes and curses deal people real harm, then I really hope you would find it just as unacceptable to target them at children as at anyone else, except in immediate self-defense, I suppose. I don't see why there's any reason to feel conflicted about it.

Farnhamia wrote:

Old Tanokiana wrote:
Bro I can literally go ask a local witch doctor to curse someone, the chances of a curse are low but never 0

A curse's chances of working are proportional to how much the person on the receiving end believes in curses.

yeah. convincing someone you've hexed them when you've actually done nothing and are just wanting to cause prohlems for someone that did something terrible to you (or when you're some sort of trickster), and take credit for them ruining their own life is not uncommon, unfortunate as that may be to some - and is actually a useful way of getti g what is wanted to some people... and is not a skill strictly available to witches. all you have to do is have read the right books, have the right kind of charisma, and the right kind of menacing, and that's enough to throw someone off their game for moooonths on end. and if you're playing a long game, the goal is to try to get them to come to you pleading that you end the curse, yiu require concessions of some sorr, and when you promise to end it their life gets better of their own avail cause they no longer believe they have an extranormal oppressor, and that thought no longer haunts them.

Kasa Tkoth Sphere wrote:If you think hexes and curses deal people real harm, then I really hope you would find it just as unacceptable to target them at children as at anyone else, except in immediate self-defense, I suppose. I don't see why there's any reason to feel conflicted about it.

immediate self-defense isnt really possible with witchcraft. like, it can do a looot, but idk if I'd ever resort to it to save my life? perhaps, for self defense, I'd reach for a firearm instead of my ritual cauldron. theres just some stuff magic cant do, and if people believe it can, they probably think the stuff in Harry Potter is real too.

theres a difference between a serious occultist like Carl Jung and, uhm... a deluded 15 year old.

Tbh, if hexing/cursing really were an effective way to bring harm to someone, people who do that should waste less of their time on petty disputes and more on...Idk, combating world terrorism and totalitarianism or something.

Maybe the government can employ a hexing taskforce.