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Postby Ifreann » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:29 am

Andsed wrote:
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A bunch of teenage "witches" decided that humanity had suffered too long under the yoke of the fey from Irish mythology, what with their spooky trickery and what have you, and decided to strike back by collectively placing a hex on the moon which would somehow strike them down. A bunch of "more experienced witches" wagged their fingers at this, saying that they didn't know what they were talking about, because the fey don't play by human rules and can't be effected by human magic, and probably now the goddess Artemis was going to get mad at them for fucking with the moon.

This was all being argued on a mass scale without a hint of irony or self-awareness.

I unironically love that this a thing. The drama is just immaculate.

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Postby Adamede » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:31 am

Giovenith wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:dumber than Uzaki Chan redraws ?


A bunch of teenage "witches" decided that humanity had suffered too long under the yoke of the fey from Irish mythology, what with their spooky trickery and what have you, and decided to strike back by collectively placing a hex on the moon which would somehow strike them down. A bunch of "more experienced witches" wagged their fingers at this, saying that they didn't know what they were talking about, because the fey don't play by human rules and can't be effected by human magic, and probably now the goddess Artemis was going to get mad at them for fucking with the moon.

This was all being argued on a mass scale without a hint of irony or self-awareness.

Tbf of most historical theological debates happened in the present we’d think the same.

At these girls don’t have government backing or the ability to spark a war.

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Postby Punished UMN » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:32 am

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Postby Giovenith » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:32 am

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A bunch of teenage "witches" decided that humanity had suffered too long under the yoke of the fey from Irish mythology, what with their spooky trickery and what have you, and decided to strike back by collectively placing a hex on the moon which would somehow strike them down. A bunch of "more experienced witches" wagged their fingers at this, saying that they didn't know what they were talking about, because the fey don't play by human rules and can't be effected by human magic, and probably now the goddess Artemis was going to get mad at them for fucking with the moon.

This was all being argued on a mass scale without a hint of irony or self-awareness.

Tbf of most historical theological debates happened in the present we’d think the same.

At these girls don’t have government backing or the ability to spark a war.


'Ats what I said.

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Greed and Death wrote:when did this start ?


Back in July. This was the most popular tweet chain surrounding the incident, but the whole hashtag was filled with teenage and mid-20s girls heatedly arguing with each other over this. "NO, THE FAIRIES ARE EVIL, THEY STEAL BABIES, WE HAVE TO FIGHT BACK!!" "THE FAE AREN'T EVIL, THEY'RE MORALLY AMBIGUOUS AT BEST!!"

Though I guess objectively speaking, it's no more silly a debate than the kind that are taught in high priced college theology classes.
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Postby Adamede » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:35 am

Giovenith wrote:
Adamede wrote:Tbf of most historical theological debates happened in the present we’d think the same.

At these girls don’t have government backing or the ability to spark a war.


'Ats what I said.

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Back in July. This was the most popular tweet chain surrounding the incident, but the whole hashtag was filled with teenage and mid-20s girls heatedly arguing with each other over this. "NO, THE FAIRIES ARE EVIL, THEY STEAL BABIES, WE HAVE TO FIGHT BACK!!" "THE FAE AREN'T EVIL, THEY'RE MORALLY AMBIGUOUS AT BEST!!"

Though I guess objectively speaking, it's no more silly a debate than the kind that are taught in high priced college theology classes.

Sorry, missed that comment.

Although it’s funny to think of what the Council of Nicaea would look like if they all debated over Twitter about it.

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Postby Giovenith » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:37 am

Adamede wrote:
Giovenith wrote:
'Ats what I said.


Sorry, missed that comment.

Although it’s funny to think of what the Council of Nicaea would look like if they all debated over Twitter about it.


I mean if we really wanted to treat it seriously for a moment, the teenagers would probably be right, we really ought to do something about a bunch of all-powerful, baby-stealing shadow creatures that have been plaguing us for centuries. :P

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Postby Badjuristan » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:39 am

Giovenith wrote:
Adamede wrote:Sorry, missed that comment.

Although it’s funny to think of what the Council of Nicaea would look like if they all debated over Twitter about it.


I mean if we really wanted to treat it seriously for a moment, the teenagers would probably be right, we really ought to do something about a bunch of all-powerful, baby-stealing shadow creatures that have been plaguing us for centuries. :P

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Postby Adamede » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:43 am

Giovenith wrote:
Adamede wrote:Sorry, missed that comment.

Although it’s funny to think of what the Council of Nicaea would look like if they all debated over Twitter about it.


I mean if we really wanted to treat it seriously for a moment, the teenagers would probably be right, we really ought to do something about a bunch of all-powerful, baby-stealing shadow creatures that have been plaguing us for centuries. :P

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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:43 am

Adamede wrote:Sorry, missed that comment.

Although it’s funny to think of what the Council of Nicaea would look like if they all debated over Twitter about it.


...The Council of Nicaea was on what the orthodox understanding of the Trinity and Christ's human/divine nature was. That's a pretty important thing for Christian belief, practice, and philosophy.

It's not comparable to boomers and teenagers arguing about whether they can cast magic on the moon or not.
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Postby Adamede » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:44 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Adamede wrote:Sorry, missed that comment.

Although it’s funny to think of what the Council of Nicaea would look like if they all debated over Twitter about it.


...The Council of Nicaea was on what the orthodox understanding of the Trinity and Christ's human/divine nature was. That's a pretty important thing for Christian belief, practice, and philosophy.

It's not comparable to boomers and teenagers arguing about whether they can cast magic on the moon or not.

Make this particular form of neo-paganism a state religion of a major empire and give it a few thousand years and I’d bet it wouldn’t be to different to hypothetical future worshippers.

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Postby Giovenith » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:46 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Adamede wrote:Sorry, missed that comment.

Although it’s funny to think of what the Council of Nicaea would look like if they all debated over Twitter about it.


...The Council of Nicaea was on what the orthodox understanding of the Trinity and Christ's human/divine nature was. That's a pretty important thing for Christian belief, practice, and philosophy.

It's not comparable to boomers and teenagers arguing about whether they can cast magic on the moon or not.


Whether you can cast magic on the moon or not is a pretty important thing for Wiccan belief.

Just because yours is older and more popular doesn't make saner.
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Postby United Hemand Insia » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:46 am

I'm pretty sure that Hexing isn't a real thing unless you line in the Harry Potter universe.
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:48 am

Giovenith wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
...The Council of Nicaea was on what the orthodox understanding of the Trinity and Christ's human/divine nature was. That's a pretty important thing for Christian belief, practice, and philosophy.

It's not comparable to boomers and teenagers arguing about whether they can cast magic on the moon or not.


Whether you can cast magic on the moon or not is a pretty important thing for Wiccan belief.

Just because yours is older and more popular doesn't make saner.


Some could argue that the bread and wine turning into flesh and blood is believing in magic just as much as hexes and curses.
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Postby Nantoraka » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:48 am

Giovenith wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:dumber than Uzaki Chan redraws ?


A bunch of teenage "witches" decided that humanity had suffered too long under the yoke of the fey from Irish mythology, what with their spooky trickery and what have you, and decided to strike back by collectively placing a hex on the moon which would somehow strike them down. A bunch of "more experienced witches" wagged their fingers at this, saying that they didn't know what they were talking about, because the fey don't play by human rules and can't be effected by human magic, and probably now the goddess Artemis was going to get mad at them for fucking with the moon.

This was all being argued on a mass scale without a hint of irony or self-awareness.

Black magic. Not even once.

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Postby Major-Tom » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:48 am

I'm sorry, what?

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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:49 am

Adamede wrote:
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...The Council of Nicaea was on what the orthodox understanding of the Trinity and Christ's human/divine nature was. That's a pretty important thing for Christian belief, practice, and philosophy.

It's not comparable to boomers and teenagers arguing about whether they can cast magic on the moon or not.

Make this particular form of neo-paganism a state religion of a major empire and give it a few thousand years and I’d bet it wouldn’t be to different to hypothetical future worshippers.


I would disagree. Primarily on the basis that this is coming from pure laziness and ignorance on your part, lumping all belief in the transcendental and supernatural together as if they're equal and have the same conclusions.

Which, as a history major, I can confidently say that is not the case.
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Postby Luminesa » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:54 am

Giovenith wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:dumber than Uzaki Chan redraws ?


A bunch of teenage "witches" decided that humanity had suffered too long under the yoke of the fey from Irish mythology, what with their spooky trickery and what have you, and decided to strike back by collectively placing a hex on the moon which would somehow strike them down. A bunch of "more experienced witches" wagged their fingers at this, saying that they didn't know what they were talking about, because the fey don't play by human rules and can't be effected by human magic, and probably now the goddess Artemis was going to get mad at them for fucking with the moon.

This was all being argued on a mass scale without a hint of irony or self-awareness.

It's Twitter, a lack of irony and self-awareness is mostly par the course.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:57 am

Giovenith wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
...The Council of Nicaea was on what the orthodox understanding of the Trinity and Christ's human/divine nature was. That's a pretty important thing for Christian belief, practice, and philosophy.

It's not comparable to boomers and teenagers arguing about whether they can cast magic on the moon or not.


Whether you can cast magic on the moon or not is a pretty important thing for Wiccan belief.

Just because yours is older and more popular doesn't make saner.


Are you, a mod, questioning my mental state because I'm religious?
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:58 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Giovenith wrote:
Whether you can cast magic on the moon or not is a pretty important thing for Wiccan belief.

Just because yours is older and more popular doesn't make saner.


Are you, a mod, questioning my mental state because I'm religious?


It seemed fairly obvious that she was referring to Christianity and not you.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:59 am

Giovenith wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:when did this start ?


Back in July. This was the most popular tweet chain surrounding the incident, but the whole hashtag was filled with teenage and mid-20s girls heatedly arguing with each other over this. "NO, THE FAIRIES ARE EVIL, THEY STEAL BABIES, WE HAVE TO FIGHT BACK!!" "THE FAE AREN'T EVIL, THEY'RE MORALLY AMBIGUOUS AT BEST!!"

Though I guess objectively speaking, it's no more silly a debate than the kind that are taught in high priced college theology classes.


So I dug through tiktok. The actual Hexing took place in December of 2019.

There also seems to be an uptick in Coronavirus cases around the full moon.

I think we made need to burn these witches to make amends.
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Postby CoraSpia » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:01 am

I'm sorry...did somebody teach you that cursing anybody was okay? I'm pretty sure that in most branches of paganism, definitely in the ones I've encountered and especially the path I follow myself, it's not okay to curse people.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:03 am

Suriyanakhon wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Are you, a mod, questioning my mental state because I'm religious?


It seemed fairly obvious that she was referring to Christianity and not you.


I am a Christian. To call my practice insane is to say something about me and others who have chosen to practice it.

I'm sure you would feel the same if someone made that same allusion to your own practice.
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:04 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Suriyanakhon wrote:
It seemed fairly obvious that she was referring to Christianity and not you.


I am a Christian. To call my practice insane is to say something about me.

I'm sure you would feel the same if someone make that same allusion to your own practice.


Not really, I don't tie my self-worth up to an opinion or an identity.
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Postby Giovenith » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:08 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Suriyanakhon wrote:
It seemed fairly obvious that she was referring to Christianity and not you.


I am a Christian. To call my practice insane is to say something about me and others who have chosen to practice it.

I'm sure you would feel the same if someone made that same allusion to your own practice.


Attacking ideas and not people has been the standard for a pretty long time, not sure why you're acting like this is news to you.

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Giovenith wrote:
Back in July. This was the most popular tweet chain surrounding the incident, but the whole hashtag was filled with teenage and mid-20s girls heatedly arguing with each other over this. "NO, THE FAIRIES ARE EVIL, THEY STEAL BABIES, WE HAVE TO FIGHT BACK!!" "THE FAE AREN'T EVIL, THEY'RE MORALLY AMBIGUOUS AT BEST!!"

Though I guess objectively speaking, it's no more silly a debate than the kind that are taught in high priced college theology classes.


So I dug through tiktok. The actual Hexing took place in December of 2019.

There also seems to be an uptick in Coronavirus cases around the full moon.

I think we made need to burn these witches to make amends.


Oh shit!

Artemis is the sister of Apollo, who was the god of plagues!

The older witches were right!!
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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:09 am

Suriyanakhon wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
I am a Christian. To call my practice insane is to say something about me.

I'm sure you would feel the same if someone make that same allusion to your own practice.


Not really, I don't tie my self-worth up to an opinion or an identity.


This isn't about self-worth.
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