Is Hexing/Cursing Minors Ever Okay?

[Bluepillar]

Oh, I did. And this isn't a debate. You have an opinion, I have one. I don't care about yours. I thought I made that clear.

If you don't want to debate here, then why did you bother making a thread in NSGeneral, hm?

Well, we're not debating me or the existence of my religion. We were debating whether or not hexing/cursing minors was ever okay, and got off track.

And it's not that I don't want to debate. It's just that I don't care to debate you about the particular subject you brought up. Why would I ever do that?

[The New California Republic]

If you don't want to debate here, then why did you bother making a thread in NSGeneral, hm?

Well, we're not debating me or the existence of my religion. We were debating whether or not hexing/cursing minors was ever okay, and got off track.

Pointing out where you have contradicted yourself isn't really a derail, but alright.

And it's not that I don't want to debate. It's just that I don't care to debate you about the particular subject you brought up.

The hypocrisy? Alright. If you don't want to acknowledge it then that's your prerogative I suppose.

[SD_Film Artists]

I didn't follow all 12 pages of this thread, but I'm pretty sure the other posters were pointing out the hypocracy rather than having any special love for Catholicism or Scientology.



Then why even start a thread in the first place? A debater who doesn't want to hear conflicting opinions is like a boxer who won't get into the ring.

Because we're supposed to be debating something completely different, but I was all for answering a wide variety of questions and engaging in various topics as long as people were respectful. The question is "is hexing/cursing minors ever okay?"

Not "am I a pompous bitch?" I already have friends who will tell me the truth about that.

And not "hey, let me try to force you to prove your religion is real in front of everyone after insulting you because for some reason I think that's a good idea", and certainly not my rendition of "why all of that was a bad idea".

I didn't report the thread for derailing for a reason. Most of this is kinda fun. I don't always get to have these kinds of discussions with people I just am happy to have somewhere to do it.

If I start a thread saying 'is rainbow hippo racing a good sport' then I fully expect people to question its relevance rather than stick to discussing if it is a better sport than F1. If you want to disuade athiests then I'd suggest having a wichcraft/occult thread as you mentiond earlier, since it's impolite and possibly trolling for athiests to enter the Chrsitian thread with nothing other than "God doesn't exist lol"; whereas this thread is pretty much just saying 'is it ok to hurt children? discuss.' Naturally some people may question the means in which the children are being harmed as well as the imorality of harming children.

[Bluepillar]

Because we're supposed to be debating something completely different, but I was all for answering a wide variety of questions and engaging in various topics as long as people were respectful. The question is "is hexing/cursing minors ever okay?"

Not "am I a pompous bitch?" I already have friends who will tell me the truth about that.

And not "hey, let me try to force you to prove your religion is real in front of everyone after insulting you because for some reason I think that's a good idea", and certainly not my rendition of "why all of that was a bad idea".

I didn't report the thread for derailing for a reason. Most of this is kinda fun. I don't always get to have these kinds of discussions with people I just am happy to have somewhere to do it.

If I start a thread saying 'is rainbow hippo racing a good sport' then I fully expect people to question its relevance rather than stick to discussing if it is a better sport than F1. If you want to disuade athiests then I'd suggest having a wichcraft/occult thread as you mentiond earlier, since it's impolite and possibly trolling for athiests to enter the Chrsitian thread with nothing other than "God doesn't exist lol"; wheras this thread is pretty much just saying 'is it ok to hurt children? discuss.' Naturally some people may question the means in which the children are being harmed as well as the imorality of harming children.

Honestly, it was a mix of a subtle dig at people who had cursed/hexed/wished ill will upon children, and trying to spark the realization that adolescents - teenagers - especially in America are far from innocent and commit a wide variety of sexual and violent crimes. Is it okay to hex/curse/wish ill will upon them?

That's a question I'd like to discuss.

Well, we're not debating me or the existence of my religion. We were debating whether or not hexing/cursing minors was ever okay, and got off track.

Pointing out where you have contradicted yourself isn't really a derail, but alright.

And it's not that I don't want to debate. It's just that I don't care to debate you about the particular subject you brought up.

The hypocrisy? Alright. If you don't want to acknowledge it then that's your prerogative I suppose.

Well, it isn't okay to say someone's religion does not exist. Christianity does. But some forms of American Catholicism, hence the or but not the or/and, are dangerous. Mormonism might, but some say it was invented by a con man - and it has dangerous, racist scripture. Scientology is historically recognized to be fake, and is also dangerous. I never said it wasn't okay to say someone's faith was dangerous. I'm gay, black, and trans, and live in the Bible belt. Trust me. I know faith can very much be dangerous.

[The Blaatschapen]

Because we're supposed to be debating something completely different, but I was all for answering a wide variety of questions and engaging in various topics as long as people were respectful. The question is "is hexing/cursing minors ever okay?"

Not "am I a pompous bitch?" I already have friends who will tell me the truth about that.

And not "hey, let me try to force you to prove your religion is real in front of everyone after insulting you because for some reason I think that's a good idea", and certainly not my rendition of "why all of that was a bad idea".

I didn't report the thread for derailing for a reason. Most of this is kinda fun. I don't always get to have these kinds of discussions with people I just am happy to have somewhere to do it.

If I start a thread saying 'is rainbow hippo racing a good sport' then I fully expect people to question its relevance rather than stick to discussing if it is a better sport than F1. If you want to disuade athiests then I'd suggest having a wichcraft/occult thread as you mentiond earlier, since it's impolite and possibly trolling for athiests to enter the Chrsitian thread with nothing other than "God doesn't exist lol"; whereas this thread is pretty much just saying 'is it ok to hurt children? discuss.' Naturally some people may question the means in which the children are being harmed as well as the imorality of harming children.

Now I want rainbow hippo racing.

I guess it happens in a Hippodrome

[The New California Republic]

Well, it isn't okay to say someone's religion does not exist. Christianity does. But some forms of American Catholicism, hence the or but not the or/and, are dangerous. Mormonism might, but some say it was invented by a con man - and it has dangerous, racist scripture. Scientology is fake, and is also dangerous. I never said it wasn't okay to say someone's faith was dangerous. I'm gay, black, and trans, and live in the Bible belt. Trust me. I know faith can very much be dangerous.

Regardless, you still asked for folk not to do one thing and in the next breath did that same thing.

[Weird Wolf]

If I start a thread saying 'is rainbow hippo racing a good sport' then I fully expect people to question its relevance rather than stick to discussing if it is a better sport than F1. If you want to disuade athiests then I'd suggest having a wichcraft/occult thread as you mentiond earlier, since it's impolite and possibly trolling for athiests to enter the Chrsitian thread with nothing other than "God doesn't exist lol"; whereas this thread is pretty much just saying 'is it ok to hurt children? discuss.' Naturally some people may question the means in which the children are being harmed as well as the imorality of harming children.

Now I want rainbow hippo racing.

I guess it happens in a Hippodrome

If I write reviews about the hippos, would that be hippocritical?

[Jakker]

And to call me pompous while supporting those kinds of people. Ugh. Gross.

Somebody's enlightened by his intelligence.

Odreria, if a player specifically lays out which pronouns to use to reference them in public spaces like their signature, make sure to keep an eye out for that and use them appropriately.

[The New California Republic]

Now I want rainbow hippo racing.

I guess it happens in a Hippodrome

If I write reviews about the hippos, would that be hippocritical?

You could be a hippo vet instead and take the Hippocratic oath.

[SD_Film Artists]

If I start a thread saying 'is rainbow hippo racing a good sport' then I fully expect people to question its relevance rather than stick to discussing if it is a better sport than F1. If you want to disuade athiests then I'd suggest having a wichcraft/occult thread as you mentiond earlier, since it's impolite and possibly trolling for athiests to enter the Chrsitian thread with nothing other than "God doesn't exist lol"; wheras this thread is pretty much just saying 'is it ok to hurt children? discuss.' Naturally some people may question the means in which the children are being harmed as well as the imorality of harming children.

Honestly, it was a mix of a subtle dig at people who had cursed/hexed/wished ill will upon children, and trying to spark the realization that adolescents - teenagers - especially in America are far from innocent and commit a wide variety of sexual and violent crimes. Is it okay to hex/curse/wish ill will upon them?

That's a question I'd like to discuss.

Okay, though it didn't really come across like that despite the "Minors are obviously capable of unforgiving crimes". It looked like you just tossed the issue of hexes into the mix with no context as to why hexes are being used in the first place.

If I start a thread saying 'is rainbow hippo racing a good sport' then I fully expect people to question its relevance rather than stick to discussing if it is a better sport than F1. If you want to disuade athiests then I'd suggest having a wichcraft/occult thread as you mentiond earlier, since it's impolite and possibly trolling for athiests to enter the Chrsitian thread with nothing other than "God doesn't exist lol"; whereas this thread is pretty much just saying 'is it ok to hurt children? discuss.' Naturally some people may question the means in which the children are being harmed as well as the imorality of harming children.

Now I want rainbow hippo racing.

I guess it happens in a Hippodrome

*points* there's a man with ideas!
You can book these hippodromes while I'm organsing the tobacco sponsorships..

[Bluepillar]

Well, it isn't okay to say someone's religion does not exist. Christianity does. But some forms of American Catholicism, hence the or but not the or/and, are dangerous. Mormonism might, but some say it was invented by a con man - and it has dangerous, racist scripture. Scientology is fake, and is also dangerous. I never said it wasn't okay to say someone's faith was dangerous. I'm gay, black, and trans, and live in the Bible belt. Trust me. I know faith can very much be dangerous.

Regardless, you still asked for folk not to do one thing and in the next breath did that same thing.

Nothing is ever absolute. If I was a witch advocating for the extermination of Catholics, I'd expect people to call my faith both dangerous and fake. I should add that Catholicism has done exactly that to other groups of people. And Scientology is full of "pray the gay away", which is an unforgiving kind of erasure of the sanctity of one's identity. Unforgivable things allow me to criticize a religion, and call its legitimacy into truth. Why ever would calling out those kinds of things lead a man to be such a... well... I didn't do anything unforgivable, and I won't. But I'm sure you can get my point.

[Bluepillar]

Honestly, it was a mix of a subtle dig at people who had cursed/hexed/wished ill will upon children, and trying to spark the realization that adolescents - teenagers - especially in America are far from innocent and commit a wide variety of sexual and violent crimes. Is it okay to hex/curse/wish ill will upon them?

That's a question I'd like to discuss.

Okay, though it didn't really come across like that despite the "Minors are obviously capable of unforgiving crimes". It looked like you just tossed the issue of hexes into the mix with no context as to why its hexes are being used in the first place.

-snip-

I wanted to see what would happen.

[Neanderthaland]

Yeah, I'm not Wiccan. IDK what impression this post about these religions gave off, but Wiccanism has waaaaaaaaaay too many rules for me (and honestly every time a Wiccan tells me not to do something cause it might have consequences, or brings up one of their many rules and tries to apply it to me, or says something that implies most African or African-derived forms of witchcraft (like rootwork, or some form of voudon) are "black magic" when that is a western concept being applied to a non-western concept, or when a privileged white witch contributes to the overharvesting of something like palo santo [which is used in a CLOSED PRACTICE, and could go extinct because of overharvesting], or when I deal with anything remotely similar it just turns me off to Wiccanism even more). I already have a faith, too. Mine has less rules about what I can do. In fact, so far the only rules it has are the ones I gave myself and also the rules I'm pretty sure that if I broke while I were a character in a parable would result in me being smote... so.

"Privileged White Witch" would have been a good name for my nation. It's too late now!

There are rules, whether you choose to see them or not. Look out for the line, it may be the edge of a cliff.

We can form a trio with "Privileged White Wizard" and "Privileged White Walker."

[The New California Republic]

Regardless, you still asked for folk not to do one thing and in the next breath did that same thing.

Nothing is ever absolute. If I was a witch advocating for the extermination of Catholics, I'd expect people to call my faith both dangerous and fake. I should add that Catholicism has done exactly that to other groups of people. And Scientology is full of "pray the gay away", which is an unforgiving kind of erasure of the sanctity of one's identity. Unforgivable things allow me to criticize a religion, and call its legitimacy into truth. Why ever would calling out those kinds of things lead a man to be such a... well... I didn't do anything unforgivable, and I won't. But I'm sure you can get my point.

No, not really.

[Andsed]

There is no such thing as "non-fictional curses/hexes", they are all fictional, as they have no effect whatsoever. They have no substance. no reality whatsoever.

Nonsense. Of course there are actual curses. Just because we lost the knowledge of how to use them doesn't mean they wouldn't work if we re-discovered that knowledge.

That assumes that the knowledge ever actually existed which is something you can't really prove unless you "re-discovered them." And until then, due to the complete lack of evidence backing it up, all this curse talk is just speculation.

[Bluepillar]

"Privileged White Witch" would have been a good name for my nation. It's too late now!

There are rules, whether you choose to see them or not. Look out for the line, it may be the edge of a cliff.

We can form a trio with "Privileged White Wizard" and "Privileged White Walker."

zombies make me cry.

interestingly, wizards aren't really a thing, most of the time. witches no matter their gender identity are just witches, usually. The only person I can think of that calls himself a wizard is Oberon Zell, and that's an entirely different can of worms.

[The Blaatschapen]

Okay, though it didn't really come across like that despite the "Minors are obviously capable of unforgiving crimes". It looked like you just tossed the issue of hexes into the mix with no context as to why its hexes are being used in the first place.

I wanted to see what would happen.

You wanted to see a hippothetical...

[Weird Wolf]

If I write reviews about the hippos, would that be hippocritical?

You could be a hippo vet instead and take the Hippocratic oath.

That sounds like the worst job in the world, to be honest. How about I set up a cart and sell hippocras?

[Weird Wolf]

Nonsense. Of course there are actual curses. Just because we lost the knowledge of how to use them doesn't mean they wouldn't work if we re-discovered that knowledge.

That assumes that the knowledge ever actually existed which is something you can't really prove unless you "re-discovered them." And until then, due to the complete lack of evidence backing it up, all this curse talk is just speculation.

Sounds like the kind of "knowledge" that can only exist in the absence of other knowledge proving it can't happen. Ie, a religion!

[Neanderthaland]

We can form a trio with "Privileged White Wizard" and "Privileged White Walker."

zombies make me cry.

interestingly, wizards aren't really a thing, most of the time. witches no matter their gender identity are just witches, usually. The only person I can think of that calls himself a wizard is Oberon Zell, and that's an entirely different can of worms.

In fact, all of these things are equally not really a thing.

[Odreria]

We can form a trio with "Privileged White Wizard" and "Privileged White Walker."

zombies make me cry.

interestingly, wizards aren't really a thing, most of the time. witches no matter their gender identity are just witches, usually. The only person I can think of that calls himself a wizard is Oberon Zell, and that's an entirely different can of worms.

Actually I'm a wizard of the realm and state alchemist.

[Bluepillar]

zombies make me cry.

interestingly, wizards aren't really a thing, most of the time. witches no matter their gender identity are just witches, usually. The only person I can think of that calls himself a wizard is Oberon Zell, and that's an entirely different can of worms.

In fact, all of these things are equally not really a thing.

That's kind of like saying the pope doesn't exist, but thankfully we all know the Pope exists and we all know I'm a witch, and that Christians believe in a god that has eldritch abominations for servants. Isn't religion fascinating when we don't care what you have to say about it?

[Neanderthaland]

In fact, all of these things are equally not really a thing.

That's kind of like saying the pope isn't a pope, but thankfully we all know the Pope exists and we all know I'm a witch, and that Christians believe in a god that has eldritch abominations for servants. Isn't religion fascinating when we don't care what you have to say about it?

Let me rephrase: your saying that wizards don't really exist, but witches do, is exactly as factually supported as arguing that electric type Pokémon are better than water types. Or that a Chupacabra would beat a Jersey Devil in a fight.

And it's ironic that you go and complain about other people doubting the existence of hexes and witches, and then you immediately do the same about wizards.

[Ethel mermania]

If I start a thread saying 'is rainbow hippo racing a good sport' then I fully expect people to question its relevance rather than stick to discussing if it is a better sport than F1. If you want to disuade athiests then I'd suggest having a wichcraft/occult thread as you mentiond earlier, since it's impolite and possibly trolling for athiests to enter the Chrsitian thread with nothing other than "God doesn't exist lol"; whereas this thread is pretty much just saying 'is it ok to hurt children? discuss.' Naturally some people may question the means in which the children are being harmed as well as the imorality of harming children.

Now I want rainbow hippo racing.

I guess it happens in a Hippodrome

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[Fyrn-Gestreon]

That's kind of like saying the pope isn't a pope, but thankfully we all know the Pope exists and we all know I'm a witch, and that Christians believe in a god that has eldritch abominations for servants. Isn't religion fascinating when we don't care what you have to say about it?

Let me rephrase: your saying that wizards don't really exist, but witches do, is exactly as factually supported as arguing that electric type Pokémon are better than water types. Or that a Chupacabra would beat a Jersey Devil in a fight.

And it's ironic that you go and complain about other people doubting the existence of hexes and witches, and then you immediately do the same about wizards.

Oh come on, I don't agree with that user either, but you have to know how uncharitable that is.

They were clearly talking about how, in general, you don't see a lot of people call themselves wizards. If you're going to argue against someone, at least show them some common dignity, for fuck's sake.