Is Hexing/Cursing Minors Ever Okay?

[Adamede]

Make this particular form of neo-paganism a state religion of a major empire and give it a few thousand years and I’d bet it wouldn’t be to different to hypothetical future worshippers.

I would disagree. Primarily on the basis that this is coming from pure laziness and ignorance on your part, lumping all belief in the transcendental and supernatural together as if they're equal and have the same conclusions.

Which, as a history major, I can confidently say that is not the case.

Lol

I don’t care about your “credentials” or what insinuations you make of my character, fact is we’re dealing with an internal debate within a new age religion which for many of practitioners is as important to their lives and outlooks as Christianity or some other ancient religion. All that separates them is time and popularity.

Now I recommend that you focus on supporting your argument instead of attacking my character with baseless digs.

[Adamede]

It seemed fairly obvious that she was referring to Christianity and not you.

I am a Christian. To call my practice insane is to say something about me and others who have chosen to practice it.

I'm sure you would feel the same if someone made that same allusion to your own practice.

You don’t really have a leg to stand on there, considering you called me lazy merely for making an argument you didn’t like.

[The New California Republic]

I don’t think it’s okay to place magical curses on children.

This isn’t something I’d want. Children shouldn’t be hexed. Children should be happy and be in a safe learning environment. Children should be healthy. Children shouldn’t be cursed.

Since there is no such thing as magic or curses it really doesn't matter either way.

[Adamede]

I don’t think it’s okay to place magical curses on children.

This isn’t something I’d want. Children shouldn’t be hexed. Children should be happy and be in a safe learning environment. Children should be healthy. Children shouldn’t be cursed.

Since there is no such thing as magic or curses it really doesn't matter either way.

But you can curse out a child. Had it happen to me several times as a kid...

[Suriyanakhon]

Make this particular form of neo-paganism a state religion of a major empire and give it a few thousand years and I’d bet it wouldn’t be to different to hypothetical future worshippers.

I would disagree. Primarily on the basis that this is coming from pure laziness and ignorance on your part, lumping all belief in the transcendental and supernatural together as if they're equal and have the same conclusions.

Which, as a history major, I can confidently say that is not the case.

I don't know how you would reach this conclusion when new religions have constantly proven resilient and have as much as an effect on the world as older religions have (Mormonism, Aum Shinrikyo, etc.) some of them developing their own political viewpoints about how to implement their beliefs on a social scale. They're equal in that anyone can believe in them and act on them, and the only reason you think one is more incredulous is the other is that you were raised in a culture where one was predominant.

[The New California Republic]

Since there is no such thing as magic or curses it really doesn't matter either way.

But you can curse out a child. Had it happen to me several times as a kid...

Since that isn't what this thread is talking about it is totally irrelevant...

[Salus Maior]

I am a Christian. To call my practice insane is to say something about me and others who have chosen to practice it.

I'm sure you would feel the same if someone made that same allusion to your own practice.

You don’t really have a leg to stand on there, considering you called me lazy merely for making an argument you didn’t like.

I called your argument lazy because it simply is. It's not coming from any basis in actual knowledge of religious philosophy and practice, and simply lumps incredibly divergent beliefs and philosophies into one conclusion because they're based in a religious worldview. There's no rigor or sophistication in that, that's just handwaving and acting by broad assumption.

It would be similar to someone saying that all ideologies with Democracy as their basis are the same in nature and conclusion.

[Greed and Death]

Attacking ideas and not people has been the standard for a pretty long time, not sure why you're acting like this is news to you.

So I dug through tiktok. The actual Hexing took place in December of 2019.

There also seems to be an uptick in Coronavirus cases around the full moon.

I think we made need to burn these witches to make amends.

Oh shit!

Artemis is the sister of Apollo, who was the god of plagues!

The older witches were right!!

Luckily I happen to have a sale on pitchforks and torches just perfect for this sort scenario.

I do apologize we are out of village torches and you will have to use Tiki.

[Ifreann]

A bunch of teenage "witches" decided that humanity had suffered too long under the yoke of the fey from Irish mythology, what with their spooky trickery and what have you, and decided to strike back by collectively placing a hex on the moon which would somehow strike them down. A bunch of "more experienced witches" wagged their fingers at this, saying that they didn't know what they were talking about, because the fey don't play by human rules and can't be effected by human magic, and probably now the goddess Artemis was going to get mad at them for fucking with the moon.

This was all being argued on a mass scale without a hint of irony or self-awareness.

Tbf of most historical theological debates happened in the present we’d think the same.

At these girls don’t have government backing or the ability to spark a war.

At least, we hope they don't.

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Sorry, missed that comment.

Although it’s funny to think of what the Council of Nicaea would look like if they all debated over Twitter about it.

...The Council of Nicaea was on what the orthodox understanding of the Trinity and Christ's human/divine nature was. That's a pretty important thing for Christian belief, practice, and philosophy.

It's not comparable to boomers and teenagers arguing about whether they can cast magic on the moon or not.

Why not? What's makes debates about the nature of Jesus different than debates about whether the fey and the moon are susceptible to human magic?

[Adamede]

But you can curse out a child. Had it happen to me several times as a kid...

Since that isn't what this thread is talking about it is totally irrelevant...

It’s a play on words, a joke. Quips like that are found on nearly every NSG thread.

[The New California Republic]

Since that isn't what this thread is talking about it is totally irrelevant...

It’s a play on words, a joke. Quips like that are found on nearly every NSG thread.

If it was intended as such then it certainly fell rather flat.

[Adamede]

You don’t really have a leg to stand on there, considering you called me lazy merely for making an argument you didn’t like.

I called your argument lazy because it simply is. It's not coming from any basis in actual knowledge of religious philosophy and practice, and simply lumps incredibly divergent beliefs and philosophies into one conclusion because they're based in a religious worldview. There's no rigor or sophistication in that, that's just handwaving and acting by broad assumption.

It would be similar to someone saying that all ideologies with Democracy as their basis are the same in nature and conclusion.

1: You’re either misunderstanding or purposefully misrepresenting my point.

2: You can’t have it both ways. If saying Christian theology is insane means that you and all other Christians have questionable mental states, then saying my argument is lazy means that you called me lazy. Have a consider any standard and stick too it, not just when it suits you.

[Ethel mermania]

Tbf of most historical theological debates happened in the present we’d think the same.

At these girls don’t have government backing or the ability to spark a war.

At least, we hope they don't.

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...The Council of Nicaea was on what the orthodox understanding of the Trinity and Christ's human/divine nature was. That's a pretty important thing for Christian belief, practice, and philosophy.

It's not comparable to boomers and teenagers arguing about whether they can cast magic on the moon or not.

Why not? What's makes debates about the nature of Jesus different than debates about whether the fey and the moon are susceptible to human magic?

If we were to use Avatar: the last air bender as a guide, the answer would be yes.

[Ethel mermania]

Attacking ideas and not people has been the standard for a pretty long time, not sure why you're acting like this is news to you.



Oh shit!

Artemis is the sister of Apollo, who was the god of plagues!

The older witches were right!!

Luckily I happen to have a sale on pitchforks and torches just perfect for this sort scenario.

I do apologize we are out of village torches and you will have to use Tiki.

First world problems, we will make due.

[Adamede]

It’s a play on words, a joke. Quips like that are found on nearly every NSG thread.

If it was intended as such then it certainly fell rather flat.

Never said it was a good joke.

[Stellar Colonies]

It's not like it'll effect them at all, so why not?

Putting realism aside, ethically, it would be wrong.

Assuming this thread isn't an elaborate joke...

[Ard al Islam]

I don't know, I didn't think it was possible

[Chan Island]

TF is this.

Hexes and curses aren't real. So asking if doing so is OK is a meaningless question.

[The Blaatschapen]

So, I do not think hexes and curses do anything.

However, if the person doing the hexing/cursing believes in it, doesn't that mean they are wishing ill on a minor? And wouldn't that make them slightly evil in most cases?

[Adamede]

So, I do not think hexes and curses do anything.

However, if the person doing the hexing/cursing believes in it, doesn't that mean they are wishing ill on a minor? And wouldn't that make them slightly evil in most cases?

If the caster believes that hexes are real, then I’d argue tos gone beyond “wishing”, but instead them actively trying to harm a child. Just poorly.

[The New California Republic]

So, I do not think hexes and curses do anything.

However, if the person doing the hexing/cursing believes in it, doesn't that mean they are wishing ill on a minor? And wouldn't that make them slightly evil in most cases?

If the caster believes that hexes are real, then I’d argue tos gone beyond “wishing”, but instead them actively trying to harm a child. Just poorly.

If it doesn't do anything then is it really "actively trying to harm a child"? It'd be as absurd as saying that "I wish an asteroid would land on that person's head" is "actively" "trying" to harm them. See what I mean? It doesn't satisfy the definitions of what we would usually consider to be active or trying.

[VoVoDoCo]

For someone who doesn’t want insults of other people‘s religions to invade this thread, you sure were quick to call people who disagreed with you “oblivious” in your OP.

Smh

[Ethel mermania]

If the caster believes that hexes are real, then I’d argue tos gone beyond “wishing”, but instead them actively trying to harm a child. Just poorly.

If it doesn't do anything then is it really "actively trying to harm a child"? It'd be as absurd as saying that "I wish an asteroid would land on that person's head" is "actively" "trying" to harm them. See what I mean? It doesn't satisfy the definitions of what we would usually consider to be active or trying.

Does intent count or just action?

[Kubra]

Really now, does that nanny state want to regulate perfectly healthy magical interactions? What's next, wand licenses?

[The New California Republic]

If it doesn't do anything then is it really "actively trying to harm a child"? It'd be as absurd as saying that "I wish an asteroid would land on that person's head" is "actively" "trying" to harm them. See what I mean? It doesn't satisfy the definitions of what we would usually consider to be active or trying.

Does intent count or just action?

Generally in law we don't have the concept of thoughtcrimes, partially because people think and wish bad shit to happen to people all the time, and we'd all be in prison if it was a crime. Sure, in law we have the concept of mens rea, but there always needs to be some accompanying act coupled with it: simply wishing harm on someone isn't enough. Sure, if that wish is expressed then it can in some circumstances be actionable under law—such as death threats for instance—but that expression is itself the accompanying act. Mens rea alone isn't enough.