Israel boycott group declared anti-Semitic

[Kubra]

Because there doesn’t exist a Palestine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Palestine

Except there does. I can't see how I could have visited a place that doesn't exist.

There was a time when kurds did not exist in Turkey, because there was no such thing as kurds, only mountain turks.

[Albionist Great Britain]

Because there doesn’t exist a Palestine.

So if the Nazis managed to actually kill all the Jews, they would be in the right? "There aren't any Jews, so..."

No, because the Nazis were idiots entranced by racialism and wavering their own people’s failures on the Jews.

[Salus Maior]

I could say the same thing about Hong Kong and China if I wanted to be particularly vindictive.

Hong Kong got handed over to China fair and square. The Hong Kong protests were crushed by the Chinese authority fair and square. Chinese territory. Chinese Rules. Don't like it? Leave.

Hong Kongers have never attempted to conquer Guangdong and exterminate the people of Shenzhen in a war of attempted genocide. Hong Kongers are not obsessed about "reclaiming" Guangdong or demanding a "right of return" to Shenzhen. They're not perpetrating suicide bombings against Mainlanders in the region. They're not naming streets and universities after terrorists and celebrating their "martyrdom" in the name of a jealous, vindictive god. They're not firing rockets into Shenzhen and Guangzhou or digging terror tunnels beneath the Sham Chun River in order to murder Mainland civilians of all ages. If they were, then you might have a point. Hong Kong would have absolutely no right to exist as a nation-state, China would be absolutely justified in placing the city-state under a land, sea, and naval blockade, and Mainlanders would be well within their rights to settle in Hong Kong en masse because at this point, HK people have squandered whatever goodwill they had left and deserve absolutely nothing but scraps.

None of this is true of Hong Kongers. But all of this is true of the Palestinians.

Yeah, yeah. "But my people are completely different!"

Maybe China will make the Hong Konger's situation worse in the future, then who knows what they'll be pushed to do.

[Shin-Mutsu]

Then they filled it with wage slaves. What an improvement.

I didn’t know you were a communist. Based department?

Salus has many ideas you would support and just as many you would oppose.

[Pope Saint Peter the Apostle]

Most Orthodox Jewish groups support Israel. The main exception are Haredi Jews (aka "ultra-Orthodox"). So, not sure where you're basing the belief on that Orthodox Judaism ought to oppose it, given that Orthodox rabbis, except the Haredi Jews, disagree with you.

Read Ketubot 110a-111a

As expected, your opinion of what Orthodox Jews should believe is not actually what Orthodox Jews believe. First, I would question why you bring up specifically Orthodox Judaism; even if you were right on them, not sure why the others (apparently) don't matter. But Orthodox rabbis have responded at lenght to this argument, already. First of all, where do you base it on that these oaths are part of the halakha? Second, there is the obvious argument as to the third oath having nullified the first one. Etc.

[Albionist Great Britain]

Because there doesn’t exist a Palestine.

But there exists an albion, and its historical inheritors. However, you don't much care for them regardless of such.
You see the problem, no?

There wasn’t ever an Albion state, only various states located within these Isles. My ancestors came in, took over, I exist, so I’m grateful for their conquest regardless of a Welshman’s feelings or whatever.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

So you want to enact a second ethnic cleansing to correct the first one?

At the bare minimum, Jerusalem shouldn't go to either side. Also, since when is calling for the Palestinian state to exist once more ethnic cleansing?

Reestablish where? Is the Palestinian National Authority fictional?

[Giovenith]

Serious question: do you support the ethnic cleansing of Christians and Muslims in the territory that Israel occupies? Do you justify the past ethnic cleansing?

Depends. Were they a security threat? If not, then no.

And which past ethnic cleansing?

>ethnic cleansing is good if a population is a security threat
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I don't know, the ethnic cleansing that happened from 1948-1949?

Of the people who migrated in reaction to the Jews moving home and actively sought to prevent the establishment of a Jewish state? The successful establishment of Israel is a favourable outcome to a bloody situation.

Oh, so you uh, you prefer things as they are?

English? Yeah, we've got a norman here boi's, and he don't even know he's a norman!
At least the spartans had the decency to always remind themselves that they are the invader, instead of convincing themselves they are of the land.

Yes, I prefer things as they are until circumstances are more favourable to Israel.

English. E n g l i s h. I’m of the opinion we should’ve risen up and butchered every single Norman man, woman and child, so don’t call me one of those filthy mongrels.

And yes, the Germanics invaded and took over. So what? I don’t care if a Welshman’s a little upset we aren’t speaking Brittonic.

*** Warned for Trolling/Advocating Death ***

[Greater Cesnica]

At the bare minimum, Jerusalem shouldn't go to either side. Also, since when is calling for the Palestinian state to exist once more ethnic cleansing?

Reestablish where? Is the Palestinian Authority fictional?

No, the Palestinian Authority should have the ability to determine the future of the Palestinian state. If that means complete sovereignty of the West Bank and Gaza, so be it. If they want something else, so be it. But an Arab state named Palestine should exist.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

So if the Nazis managed to actually kill all the Jews, they would be in the right? "There aren't any Jews, so..."

No, because the Nazis were idiots entranced by racialism and wavering their own people’s failures on the Jews.

Hey the nazis saw the jews as a security threat. You did make an exception for ethnic cleansing if one views another group as a security threat.

[Angevinia-Europa]

Good. Omar Barghouti, founder of BDS, is a hypocrite. He's a Qatari who is silent about his own country's use of slavery but he cries about Israel all day. Not to mention the ties between BDS and terrorism.

Read Ketubot 110a-111a

As expected, your opinion of what Orthodox Jews should believe is not actually what Orthodox Jews believe. First, I would question why you bring up specifically Orthodox Judaism; even if you were right on them, not sure why the others (apparently) don't matter. But Orthodox rabbis have responded at lenght to this argument, already. First of all, where do you base it on that these oaths are part of the halakha? Second, there is the obvious argument as to the third oath having nullified the first one. Etc.

Yeah, I never understood this claim that Orthodox Jews oppose Israel. There's a small but very vocal group of them that don't and for some reason people try and act as if they're representative of Orthodox Jews as a whole.

[Salus Maior]

Then they filled it with wage slaves. What an improvement.

I didn’t know you were a communist. Based department?

What?

[Arvenia]

There is also a Jewish Autonomous Oblast in Russia.

Which is populated by almost 100% Russians.

There are Russians in Israel as well. There is even a political party called the "Yisrael Beiteinu", which represents the Russian-speaking Israelis (although that is currently in decline).

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Which is populated by almost 100% Russians.

There are Russians in Israel as well. There is even a political party called the "Yisrael Beiteinu", which represents the Russian-speaking Israelis (although that is currently in decline).

You completely missed the point. The Jewish Autonomous Oblast is Jewish in name only with a pathetic 0.2% professing to the Jewish religion.

[Kubra]

But there exists an albion, and its historical inheritors. However, you don't much care for them regardless of such.
You see the problem, no?

There wasn’t ever an Albion state, only various states located within these Isles. My ancestors came in, took over, I exist, so I’m grateful for their conquest regardless of a Welshman’s feelings or whatever.

There wasn't ever an english state either until Alfred (or frankly not until the danes took over, by your reasoning), but the brittonic people were subjugated nonetheless. And what, this is ok because you *exist*? Because *you* exist?
I don't have to be the one tell you that your reasoning is ridiculous.

[Pope Saint Peter the Apostle]

I wish there was some thread where people could discuss what the best 2-state solution would be and how one would achieve it without having it derailed by people of either side advocating for some type of one-state solution.

[Salus Maior]

Yes, I prefer things as they are until circumstances are more favourable to Israel.

English. E n g l i s h. I’m of the opinion we should’ve risen up and butchered every single Norman man, woman and child, so don’t call me one of those filthy mongrels.

And yes, the Germanics invaded and took over. So what? I don’t care if a Welshman’s a little upset we aren’t speaking Brittonic.

Of course, Israel is Jew's forever home, but apparently Britain isn't the eternal homeland of the Welsh.

Logic.

[Insaanistan]

Good. Omar Barghouti, founder of BDS, is a hypocrite. He's a Qatari who is silent about his own country's use of slavery but he cries about Israel all day. Not to mention the ties between BDS and terrorism.

As expected, your opinion of what Orthodox Jews should believe is not actually what Orthodox Jews believe. First, I would question why you bring up specifically Orthodox Judaism; even if you were right on them, not sure why the others (apparently) don't matter. But Orthodox rabbis have responded at lenght to this argument, already. First of all, where do you base it on that these oaths are part of the halakha? Second, there is the obvious argument as to the third oath having nullified the first one. Etc.

Yeah, I never understood this claim that Orthodox Jews oppose Israel. There's a small but very vocal group of them that don't and for some reason people try and act as if they're representative of Orthodox Jews as a whole.

What a surprise: Israel is claiming a group they don’t like has links to terrorists!

[Greater Cesnica]

Yes, I prefer things as they are until circumstances are more favourable to Israel.

English. E n g l i s h. I’m of the opinion we should’ve risen up and butchered every single Norman man, woman and child, so don’t call me one of those filthy mongrels.

And yes, the Germanics invaded and took over. So what? I don’t care if a Welshman’s a little upset we aren’t speaking Brittonic.

Of course, Israel is Jew's forever home, but apparently Britain isn't the eternal homeland of the Welsh.

Logic.

404 Logic Not Found.

[Angevinia-Europa]

Which is populated by almost 100% Russians.

There are Russians in Israel as well. There is even a political party called the "Yisrael Beiteinu", which represents the Russian-speaking Israelis (although that is currently in decline).

Yes, and they're mostly Jews or married to Jews. The Jewish Autonomous Oblast isn't Jewish.

[Greater Cesnica]

Good. Omar Barghouti, founder of BDS, is a hypocrite. He's a Qatari who is silent about his own country's use of slavery but he cries about Israel all day. Not to mention the ties between BDS and terrorism.


Yeah, I never understood this claim that Orthodox Jews oppose Israel. There's a small but very vocal group of them that don't and for some reason people try and act as if they're representative of Orthodox Jews as a whole.

What a surprise: Israel is claiming a group they don’t like has links to terrorists!

This has never happened in all of history!

/s

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

There are Russians in Israel as well. There is even a political party called the "Yisrael Beiteinu", which represents the Russian-speaking Israelis (although that is currently in decline).

Yes, and they're mostly Jews or married to Jews. The Jewish Autonomous Oblast isn't Jewish.

Unsurprising given that it was a barren desert in the middle of bumfucknowhere, whose extent of infrastructure consisted of a few huts in 1934.

[Angevinia-Europa]

Good. Omar Barghouti, founder of BDS, is a hypocrite. He's a Qatari who is silent about his own country's use of slavery but he cries about Israel all day. Not to mention the ties between BDS and terrorism.


Yeah, I never understood this claim that Orthodox Jews oppose Israel. There's a small but very vocal group of them that don't and for some reason people try and act as if they're representative of Orthodox Jews as a whole.

What a surprise: Israel is claiming a group they don’t like has links to terrorists!

What a surprise: The movement that is pro-Hamas, has ties to Hamas.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

The Israelis won the area in a war of national self-defense.

I didn't know rape, murder, torture, and ethnic cleansing was self-defense.

I didn't know the Second Intifada was self-defense.

Hong Kongers have never attempted to conquer Guangdong and exterminate the people of Shenzhen in a war of attempted genocide. Hong Kongers are not obsessed about "reclaiming" Guangdong or demanding a "right of return" to Shenzhen. They're not perpetrating suicide bombings against Mainlanders in the region. They're not naming streets and universities after terrorists and celebrating their "martyrdom" in the name of a jealous, vindictive god. They're not firing rockets into Shenzhen and Guangzhou or digging terror tunnels beneath the Sham Chun River in order to murder Mainland civilians of all ages. If they were, then you might have a point. Hong Kong would have absolutely no right to exist as a nation-state, China would be absolutely justified in placing the city-state under a land, sea, and naval blockade, and Mainlanders would be well within their rights to settle in Hong Kong en masse because at this point, HK people have squandered whatever goodwill they had left and deserve absolutely nothing but scraps.

None of this is true of Hong Kongers. But all of this is true of the Palestinians.

Yeah, yeah. "But my people are completely different!"

Maybe China will make the Hong Konger's situation worse in the future, then who knows what they'll be pushed to do.

I mean, it's not like Israel didn't occupy the West Bank and Gaza before 1967, right? It's not like the "Palestinians", before they were commonly referred to as such, perpetrated cross-border fedayeen terror attacks even before they fell under Israeli "occupation", right? It's not like the Arabs rejected the UN Partition Plan and opted to drive the Jews into the Sea, but the whole world now expects Israel to "abide by international law" it never violated, right? But don't let the facts get in the way of your narrative.

[Odreria]

Which is populated by almost 100% Russians.

There are Russians in Israel as well. There is even a political party called the "Yisrael Beiteinu", which represents the Russian-speaking Israelis (although that is currently in decline).

I wouldn’t say Beiteinu is in decline. They’ve gotten less support from Russian speakers recently, but more from other secular Jews.