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Also... can people stop denying that Palestinians are real? And that they also deserve a state? (A two-state solution is quite clearly the best and most realistic solution.) And while we're at it, can people also not make absurd suggestions like transferring all Israeli Jews to a brand-new European state...?

Arvenia wrote:

Kubra wrote:Wait, forget the nine counties, when will the anglo-saxons throw off the norman yoke? And be thrown off by the true inheritors of the lands of Albion: the welsh?

The Welsh are Celtic, so remember that.

The Celts were Indo-European invaders forcing their way into what originally belonged to the Bell Beaker peoples. Keep Britain pure and true for its native people!

Pope Saint Peter the Apostle wrote:

Greater Cesnica wrote:If we seek to stick to Orthodox Judaism, one would have to reject all attempts at a Jewish nation.

Most Orthodox Jewish groups support Israel. The main exception are Haredi Jews (aka "ultra-Orthodox"). So, not sure where you're basing the belief on that Orthodox Judaism ought to oppose it, given that Orthodox rabbis, except the Haredi Jews, disagree with you.

Read Ketubot 110a-111a

Albionist Great Britain wrote:

Kubra wrote: But Jordan can't have the west bank yet.
So in the meantime, why not a Palestine?

See, there’s this thing called limbo. That’s my preferred status of West Bank until Jordan accepts reality and Israel’s existence, then they can have it.

Oh, so you uh, you prefer things as they are?

Albionist Great Britain wrote:

Kubra wrote: Oh look a norman saying he doesn't care about the welsh, are you all catching this?
This is nothing but the most blatant of hypocrisy, is it not?

I’m English, and I despise the Normans.

And?

English? Yeah, we've got a norman here boi's, and he don't even know he's a norman!
At least the spartans had the decency to always remind themselves that they are the invader, instead of convincing themselves they are of the land.

Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire wrote:

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:Israeli territory. Israeli rules. Don't like it? Leave.

"That's right Hong Kongers, you're on Chinese land. Get out!"

Congratulations, your argument can now be used against the very thing your nation represents. Have fun with that thought.

He's not principled. What do you expect from a Zionist apologist?

Pope Saint Peter the Apostle wrote:Also... can people stop denying that Palestinians are real? And that they also deserve a state? (A two-state solution is quite clearly the best and most realistic solution.) And while we're at it, can people also not make absurd suggestions like transferring all Israeli Jews to a brand-new European state...?

Oh, """Palestinian""" people are real, but Palestine? No.

Albionist Great Britain wrote:

Pope Saint Peter the Apostle wrote:Also... can people stop denying that Palestinians are real? And that they also deserve a state? (A two-state solution is quite clearly the best and most realistic solution.) And while we're at it, can people also not make absurd suggestions like transferring all Israeli Jews to a brand-new European state...?

Oh, """Palestinian""" people are real, but Palestine? No.

What a smug, arrogant statement. Palestine was a geopolitical entity that got ethnically cleansed. You literally cannot deny this.

Albionist Great Britain wrote:

Pope Saint Peter the Apostle wrote:Also... can people stop denying that Palestinians are real? And that they also deserve a state? (A two-state solution is quite clearly the best and most realistic solution.) And while we're at it, can people also not make absurd suggestions like transferring all Israeli Jews to a brand-new European state...?

Oh, """Palestinian""" people are real, but Palestine? No.

A Christian state in Israel, how bout dah?

Kubra wrote:

Albionist Great Britain wrote:
See, there’s this thing called limbo. That’s my preferred status of West Bank until Jordan accepts reality and Israel’s existence, then they can have it.

Oh, so you uh, you prefer things as they are?

Albionist Great Britain wrote:
I’m English, and I despise the Normans.

And?

English? Yeah, we've got a norman here boi's, and he don't even know he's a norman!
At least the spartans had the decency to always remind themselves that they are the invader, instead of convincing themselves they are of the land.

Yes, I prefer things as they are until circumstances are more favourable to Israel.

English. E n g l i s h. I’m of the opinion we should’ve risen up and butchered every single Norman man, woman and child, so don’t call me one of those filthy mongrels.

And yes, the Germanics invaded and took over. So what? I don’t care if a Welshman’s a little upset we aren’t speaking Brittonic.

Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire wrote:

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:Israeli territory. Israeli rules. Don't like it? Leave.

"That's right Hong Kongers, you're on Chinese land. Get out!"

Congratulations, your argument can now be used against the very thing your nation represents. Have fun with that thought.

Tibet and Xinjiang is rightful Chinese land! Find somewhere else to live, Tibetans and Uyghurs!

Arvenia wrote:

Albionist Great Britain wrote:
Oh, """Palestinian""" people are real, but Palestine? No.

A Christian state in Israel, how bout dah?

How about international administration of Jerusalem, and the re-establishment of the Palestinian state?

Kungsu wrote:

Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire wrote:"That's right Hong Kongers, you're on Chinese land. Get out!"

Congratulations, your argument can now be used against the very thing your nation represents. Have fun with that thought.

Tibet and Xinjiang is rightful Chinese land! Find somewhere else to live, Tibetans and Uyghurs!

No more slavery and Islamic terrorism, what a tragedy.

Albionist Great Britain wrote:

Kubra wrote: Oh, so you uh, you prefer things as they are?

English? Yeah, we've got a norman here boi's, and he don't even know he's a norman!
At least the spartans had the decency to always remind themselves that they are the invader, instead of convincing themselves they are of the land.

Yes, I prefer things as they are until circumstances are more favourable to Israel.

English. E n g l i s h. I’m of the opinion we should’ve risen up and butchered every single Norman man, woman and child, so don’t call me one of those filthy mongrels.

And yes, the Germanics invaded and took over. So what? I don’t care if a Welshman’s a little upset we aren’t speaking Brittonic.

Oh hoo haha whoa that got dark fast
In any case, the jokes can be dispensed with now, I suppose. This more or less undermines your reasonings on the matter of Israel.
So now the question is: why did you bother making them? Why speak what it seems you do not believe?

Greater Cesnica wrote:

Albionist Great Britain wrote:
Oh, """Palestinian""" people are real, but Palestine? No.

What a smug, arrogant statement. Palestine was a geopolitical entity that got ethnically cleansed. You literally cannot deny this.

Of a people the majority of whom migrated in reaction to the Jews returning home.

Arvenia wrote:

Albionist Great Britain wrote:
Oh, """Palestinian""" people are real, but Palestine? No.

A Christian state in Israel, how bout dah?

No, absolutely not. If the Kingdom of Jerusalem existed today, I’d advocate it’s violent overthrowal and restoration of Jewish sovereignty.

Odreria wrote:

Kungsu wrote:Tibet and Xinjiang is rightful Chinese land! Find somewhere else to live, Tibetans and Uyghurs!

No more slavery and Islamic terrorism, what a tragedy.

What slavery persists? What Islamic terrorism persists?

You're really surprised Israel would respond to a movement that seeks to economic divest it till it ceases its abuse with fervent vitriol?

As a member of the BDS movement, no BDS is not antisemitic. I challenge anyone who claims otherwise to please apply said logic to any and all social issues which means:

•Condemning the KKK now makes you anti white.
•Condemning Al Qaeda or ISIS makes you an islamaphobe.
•Thinking Hillary Clinton isn't a great person means you're sexist
•Not approving of George Bush's administration means you hate Texas

I wish the term anti Semitism was still used correctly (an antisemite is someone who is prejudiced against jews) and not just as a slur to silence anyone who speaks out against injustice.

Kungsu wrote:

Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire wrote:"That's right Hong Kongers, you're on Chinese land. Get out!"

Congratulations, your argument can now be used against the very thing your nation represents. Have fun with that thought.

Tibet and Xinjiang is rightful Chinese land! Find somewhere else to live, Tibetans and Uyghurs!

THAT IS RACIST!!! BOYCOTT THE PRC!!!

Odreria wrote:No more slavery and Islamic terrorism, what a tragedy.

Not relevant to our discussion right now.

Greater Cesnica wrote:What a smug, arrogant statement. Palestine was a geopolitical entity that got ethnically cleansed. You literally cannot deny this.

Greater Cesnica wrote:How about international administration of Jerusalem, and the re-establishment of the Palestinian state?

So you want to enact a second ethnic cleansing to correct the first one?

Greater Cesnica wrote:

Arvenia wrote:A Christian state in Israel, how bout dah?

How about international administration of Jerusalem, and the re-establishment of the Palestinian state?

Honestly, international administration of Jerusalem is on my list of things that would probably be better than all of this.

Kubra wrote:

Albionist Great Britain wrote:
Yes, I prefer things as they are until circumstances are more favourable to Israel.

English. E n g l i s h. I’m of the opinion we should’ve risen up and butchered every single Norman man, woman and child, so don’t call me one of those filthy mongrels.

And yes, the Germanics invaded and took over. So what? I don’t care if a Welshman’s a little upset we aren’t speaking Brittonic.

Oh hoo haha whoa that got dark fast
In any case, the jokes can be dispensed with now, I suppose. This more or less undermines your reasonings on the matter of Israel.
So now the question is: why did you bother making them? Why speak what it seems you do not believe?

Oh no, I fully believe in Israel and do not consider any notion of Palestine legitimate.

Albionist Great Britain wrote:

Greater Cesnica wrote:What a smug, arrogant statement. Palestine was a geopolitical entity that got ethnically cleansed. You literally cannot deny this.

Of a people the majority of whom migrated in reaction to the Jews returning home.

Arvenia wrote:A Christian state in Israel, how bout dah?

No, absolutely not. If the Kingdom of Jerusalem existed today, I’d advocate it’s violent overthrowal and restoration of Jewish sovereignty.

Serious question: do you support the ethnic cleansing of Christians and Muslims in the territory that Israel occupies? Do you justify the past ethnic cleansing?

Albionist Great Britain wrote:

Kubra wrote: Oh hoo haha whoa that got dark fast
In any case, the jokes can be dispensed with now, I suppose. This more or less undermines your reasonings on the matter of Israel.
So now the question is: why did you bother making them? Why speak what it seems you do not believe?

Oh no, I fully believe in Israel and do not consider any notion of Palestine legitimate.

In the same breath as you say that people are deserved of their historic homelands you deny a right of a people to their own. You see the problem, no?
That you fully believe in Israel I none have denied, but the true why is something that remains to be seen.

Albionist Great Britain wrote:

Kubra wrote: Oh hoo haha whoa that got dark fast
In any case, the jokes can be dispensed with now, I suppose. This more or less undermines your reasonings on the matter of Israel.
So now the question is: why did you bother making them? Why speak what it seems you do not believe?

Oh no, I fully believe in Israel and do not consider any notion of Palestine legitimate.

Well then Israel is not fully legit either and should not be recognized.

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:

Greater Cesnica wrote:What a smug, arrogant statement. Palestine was a geopolitical entity that got ethnically cleansed. You literally cannot deny this.

Greater Cesnica wrote:How about international administration of Jerusalem, and the re-establishment of the Palestinian state?

So you want to enact a second ethnic cleansing to correct the first one?

At the bare minimum, Jerusalem shouldn't go to either side. Also, since when is calling for the Palestinian state to exist once more ethnic cleansing?