NationStates

Albionist Great Britain wrote:

Witiland wrote:

so the Jews can have a homeland but not Israel? I can just say oh the Jews already have a homeland Europe or America... and i would make 0 sense. I'm not a Muslim and I used to be pro Israel until I realized what was really going on

*Mic Drop*

Europe nor America are Jewish homelands, Israel is.

America isn't the homeland of modern day Americans with that logic. The Old World is. The Turkish and Slavic homeland is in Asia, the German and Hungarian homeland is somewhere in Russia. Actually, with no definitive cap on how far back you can go, all of Europe (except probably the Basque) can only call the Pontic-Caspian steppe home.

Historically the homeland of a people shifts and changes. Outside of theological reasons, why should the Jews be any different? The Jews have not held Israel in millennia, they have less of a claim on it than the Palestinians who, up until recently, called that land home. Not to say they don't have a claim, but it is weak and outweighed by its more recent long-term inhabitant.

Albionist Great Britain wrote:

Kubra wrote: wait when did the arabs get into the province of palestina

The Romans called it that to mock the Jews, calling it after their enemies the Philistines.

Witiland wrote:

So apparently for generations the Jews have not lived in that area and we are gonna say ":well historically it belongs to them!" But for hundreds of years has been ruled by Muslims....

Jews have always lived in Israel, and always will. There haven’t been as many Jews since the Romans came in and expelled many Jews from their homeland, but Jews have always lived there. The Arabs moved in and enforced their might upon the natives (Jews) and foreign residents (non-Jews), as they always do.

Kubra wrote: But
Egypt and Jordan are arab states
and you just said you stick em with them

Egypt and Jordan pose security threats to Israel, at least until they’re formal Israeli allies, then they can have those shanty towns.

Wait wait so the pilgrims always lived in America? That's what your basically saying! LOL

TL;DR Israel bad.

Albionist Great Britain wrote:

Kubra wrote: wait when did the arabs get into the province of palestina

The Romans called it that to mock the Jews, calling it after their enemies the Philistines.

Witiland wrote:

So apparently for generations the Jews have not lived in that area and we are gonna say ":well historically it belongs to them!" But for hundreds of years has been ruled by Muslims....

Jews have always lived in Israel, and always will. There haven’t been as many Jews since the Romans came in and expelled many Jews from their homeland, but Jews have always lived there. The Arabs moved in and enforced their might upon the natives (Jews) and foreign residents (non-Jews), as they always do.

Kubra wrote: But
Egypt and Jordan are arab states
and you just said you stick em with them

Egypt and Jordan pose security threats to Israel, at least until they’re formal Israeli allies, then they can have those shanty towns.

Well if we're going to talk folks always living somewhere, I might think of around 9 counties....

Oh, so they've got to be allies of Israel? yeah that's not happening.
So in the mean time, why not a palestinian state?

Kungsu wrote: Actually, with no definitive cap on how far back you can go, all of Europe (except probably the Basque) can only call the Pontic-Caspian steppe home.

BASQUE SUPREMACY OVER EUROPE TODAY.

Witiland wrote:

Albionist Great Britain wrote:
The Romans called it that to mock the Jews, calling it after their enemies the Philistines.



Jews have always lived in Israel, and always will. There haven’t been as many Jews since the Romans came in and expelled many Jews from their homeland, but Jews have always lived there. The Arabs moved in and enforced their might upon the natives (Jews) and foreign residents (non-Jews), as they always do.



Egypt and Jordan pose security threats to Israel, at least until they’re formal Israeli allies, then they can have those shanty towns.

Wait wait so the pilgrims always lived in America? That's what your basically saying! LOL

No, they haven’t, but I don’t care about America. So what of it?

Odreria wrote:

Arvenia wrote:I'm in for a new BDS movement that is anti-PRC.

ok, you're welcome to go live in the wilderness with no manufactured goods.

WUT?! Do you think the PRC are capable of manufacturing goods?! We can get manufactured goods from elsewhere.

Wait, forget the nine counties, when will the anglo-saxons throw off the norman yoke? And be thrown off by the true inheritors of the lands of Albion: the welsh?

Salus Maior wrote:

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:AGB is absolutely right. So is Golda Meir when she famously said there is no such thing as a "Palestinian people".

So everyone must be imagining the non-Israeli people that the Israelis are encroaching on.

What a brain-dead statement.

They're Arabs, not "Palestinians". And they have no "right" to be in Judea & Samaria. Ditto the Golan Heights. The Israelis won the area in a war of national self-defense. The entire region belongs to them and they are free to annex and settle the region to their heart's content and unilaterally determine its final status with or without Palestinian input. Israeli territory. Israeli rules. Don't like it? Leave.

Witiland wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:
So everyone must be imagining the non-Israeli people that the Israelis are encroaching on.

What a brain-dead statement.

Its so sad to see people think that Palestine does not deserve a homeland or recognition at least.

They have a homeland. It's called Jordan. They can all move there at any time instead of stabbing and murdering Israeli children in their sleep, celebrating the "martyrdom" of terrorists and naming buildings and roads after them. Or they can learn to actually be peaceful and tolerant and they just might be offered some scraps as a gesture of goodwill. But after all these years of refusing to negotiate and compromise with Israel and engaging in multiple bouts of terroristic violence, Israel owes the Palestinians absolutely nothing and the UN, the EU, and the USA shouldn't be giving them any more of a free "leg-up" because of their selfish, entitled, Arab/Muslim supremacist attitude.

Also contributing to my utter contempt toward the very idea of a "Palestinian" state is the way non-Muslims are treated across the Muslim world, including in my own country, as well as the Charlie Hebdo terror attacks perpetrated on non-Muslim soil. Jerusalem is ground-zero for Arab/Muslim terror attacks. Palestinian-style terror attacks are now playing out across Europe. This is a clash of civilizations. Israel, Europe, and America must never surrender to radical Islam.

Kubra wrote:Wait, forget the nine counties, when will the anglo-saxons throw off the norman yoke? And be thrown off by the true inheritors of the lands of Albion: the welsh?

The Welsh are Celtic, so remember that.

Salus Maior wrote:

Kungsu wrote: Actually, with no definitive cap on how far back you can go, all of Europe (except probably the Basque) can only call the Pontic-Caspian steppe home.

BASQUE SUPREMACY OVER EUROPE TODAY.

The return of the Pre-Indo-Europeans is nigh! Europe shall be restored to her rightful heirs!

Kubra wrote:Well if we're going to talk folks always living somewhere, I might think of around 9 counties....

Oh, so they've got to be allies of Israel? yeah that's not happening.
So in the mean time, why not a palestinian state?

Because there isn’t a Palestine, besides Jordan.

so apparently Germany has an embassy in Israel and Israel has a embassy in Germany. So if Germany which committed a genocide of millions of Jews can be friends with Israel, I believe that Palestine and Israel could definitely one day have peace.

Arvenia wrote:

Kubra wrote:Wait, forget the nine counties, when will the anglo-saxons throw off the norman yoke? And be thrown off by the true inheritors of the lands of Albion: the welsh?

The Welsh are Celtic, so remember that.

Er, yes, I know the welsh are celtic. Aren't they the original folks.
W-wait, are you telling me....WE MUST OVERTHROW THE WELSH?!

Kubra wrote:Wait, forget the nine counties, when will the anglo-saxons throw off the norman yoke? And be thrown off by the true inheritors of the lands of Albion: the welsh?

I do support reviving our old language, but I don’t care about the Welsh.

Albionist Great Britain wrote:

Kubra wrote:Well if we're going to talk folks always living somewhere, I might think of around 9 counties....

Oh, so they've got to be allies of Israel? yeah that's not happening.
So in the mean time, why not a palestinian state?

Because there isn’t a Palestine, besides Jordan.

But Jordan can't have the west bank yet.
So in the meantime, why not a Palestine?

Albionist Great Britain wrote:

Kubra wrote:Wait, forget the nine counties, when will the anglo-saxons throw off the norman yoke? And be thrown off by the true inheritors of the lands of Albion: the welsh?

I do support reviving our old language, but I don’t care about the Welsh.

Oh look a norman saying he doesn't care about the welsh, are you all catching this?
This is nothing but the most blatant of hypocrisy, is it not?

Kubra wrote:

Albionist Great Britain wrote:
Because there isn’t a Palestine, besides Jordan.

But Jordan can't have the west bank yet.
So in the meantime, why not a Palestine?

See, there’s this thing called limbo. That’s my preferred status of West Bank until Jordan accepts reality and Israel’s existence, then they can have it.

Kubra wrote:

Arvenia wrote:The Welsh are Celtic, so remember that.

Er, yes, I know the welsh are celtic. Aren't they the original folks.
W-wait, are you telling me....WE MUST OVERTHROW THE WELSH?!

All Europe for the Basques, deport the Europeans back to the Pontic Steppes.

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:
So everyone must be imagining the non-Israeli people that the Israelis are encroaching on.

What a brain-dead statement.

They're Arabs, not "Palestinians". And they have no "right" to be in Judea & Samaria. Ditto the Golan Heights. The Israelis won the area in a war of national self-defense. The entire region belongs to them and they are free to annex and settle the region to their heart's content and unilaterally determine its final status with or without Palestinian input. Israeli territory. Israeli rules. Don't like it? Leave.

I could say the same thing about Hong Kong and China if I wanted to be particularly vindictive.

Hong Kong got handed over to China fair and square. The Hong Kong protests were crushed by the Chinese authority fair and square. Chinese territory. Chinese Rules. Don't like it? Leave.

Kubra wrote:

Albionist Great Britain wrote:
I do support reviving our old language, but I don’t care about the Welsh.

Oh look a norman saying he doesn't care about the welsh, are you all catching this?
This is nothing but the most blatant of hypocrisy, is it not?

I’m English, and I despise the Normans.

And?

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:
So everyone must be imagining the non-Israeli people that the Israelis are encroaching on.

What a brain-dead statement.

The Israelis won the area in a war of national self-defense.

I didn't know rape, murder, torture, and ethnic cleansing was self-defense.

Greater Cesnica wrote:

Shin-Mutsu wrote:
So you would reject creating a Jewish nation in Europe?

If we seek to stick to Orthodox Judaism, one would have to reject all attempts at a Jewish nation.

Most Orthodox Jewish groups support Israel. The main exception are Haredi Jews (aka "ultra-Orthodox"). So, not sure where you're basing the belief on that Orthodox Judaism ought to oppose it, given that Orthodox rabbis, except the Haredi Jews, disagree with you.

Greater Cesnica wrote:

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:
The Israelis won the area in a war of national self-defense.

I didn't know rape, murder, torture, and ethnic cleansing was self-defense.

so true man, that's what they practically did

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:Israeli territory. Israeli rules. Don't like it? Leave.

"That's right Hong Kongers, you're on Chinese land. Get out!"

Congratulations, your argument can now be used against the very thing your nation represents. Have fun with that thought.