Israel boycott group declared anti-Semitic

[Odreria]

other peoples opinions: anti semitic tropes
my opinion: cool and good

[Insaanistan]

Should I ignore GHK or pretend any of what he’s saying makes sense?

[Witiland]

There’s no such thing as a Palestine.

Maybe you need glasses.

Did Albionist Great Britain really just say this? Maybe there will be no Palestine if Israel keeps attacking it and raiding its people. #I SIDE WITH PLAESTINE!

[Albionist Great Britain]

There’s no such thing as a Palestine.

Maybe you need glasses.

Do I? I wasn’t aware there was any such thing as a distinct """Palestinian""" identity until when the Arabs got angry about Jewish immigration into the area.

[Neutraligon]

What does everyone think about creating a second Israeli homeland in Europe for those who want to live there?

The whole point of Israel is that they didn’t want to live in Europe anymore. The Jews who do want to live in Europe already live in Europe. It’ll solve literally nothing.

People seem to forget under what conditions Israel became a thing. The Jewish population in Europe had just undergone a mass extermination...with the support of a large number of Europeans. Worse then that a majority of the Europeans where indifferent to the massacre. Due to antisemitism, no country wanted the Jewish refugees, and they literally had no where to go because all their possessions had been stolen while the where sent to the camps or the ghettos. The US would not accept them, no where in Europe would and the refugee camps set up for the Jews where in shit condition. I honestly believe Israel could not have come to be in any other time period.

[Albionist Great Britain]

Maybe you need glasses.

Did Albionist Great Britain really just say this? Maybe there will be no Palestine if Israel keeps attacking it and raiding its people. #I SIDE WITH PLAESTINE!

So you side with driving Jews into the sea and removing Jewdom from their own homeland by the neighbouring Arabs? Good to know where you stand.

[The Restored Danelaw]

The Arabs fought wars to drive Jews into the sea, and they lost. Loben's "war was fought, they lost" is tone-deaf, but Israel was the victim of aggression, not the aggressor. The only reason they've held on existing is because "Wars were fought and they lost", Loben's not wrong.

I ain't saying what happened was right, but that's a poor argument these days.
And in any case, it's not as if the average palestinian had much to say on whether or not there would be war. When war comes to your lands or mine, it likely will have very little to do with our (yours and mine own) own input, but we may find ourselves fleeing nonetheless.

They absolutely had a say in the first war, given it was at first a Civil War in the Mandates of Transjordan and Palestine that later got expanded into a larger conflict because of Arab League intervention. As they did in the next ones, given they keep electing governments calling for genocide into office.

[Arvenia]

I think there are better ways to stop Israel’s occupation of Palestine than a boycott, especially boycotting all products from a country

That’s like boycotting the entire American economy because of the Racial Justice problems, or all of China because of what’s happening in Hong Kong and East Turkestan.

Not to mention that Israel isn’t solely responsible. Hamas, Hezbollah, and the former PLO are all terrorist organizations, and Iran keeps funneling money into them.

But anyways, while BDS isn’t exactly anti-Semitic (and I say this as a Jew), it has many members who are or who are borderline anti-Semitic, there are better ways to deal with an occupation than by boycotting an entire country.

I'm in for a new BDS movement that is anti-PRC.

[Shin-Mutsu]

Nah, not really: there were many Jews in America, and European Jews in Europe made sense. China would even make some sense, as Jews had been established there for centuries.

Oh, but apparently not the place Jews came from originally?

Sure, but in the period right after WWII I would say more Jews still had stronger cultural ties to Europe.

[Kubra]

Maybe you need glasses.

Do I? I wasn’t aware there was any such thing as a distinct """Palestinian""" identity until when the Arabs got angry about Jewish immigration into the area.

One notable roadblock to the arab nationalists of the early 20th century (you know, before the second world war) iwasrealising that there really was no sense of "arab-ness" among the arabs they wished to unite. To view them as a homogenous whole was in an ironic (though assuredly well-meaing) way a product of their westernised education and upbringing.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Israel is a useful trading partner and important for Western interests in the Middle East, so a complete sanction of Israel would be a really dumb idea

[Kubra]

I ain't saying what happened was right, but that's a poor argument these days.
And in any case, it's not as if the average palestinian had much to say on whether or not there would be war. When war comes to your lands or mine, it likely will have very little to do with our (yours and mine own) own input, but we may find ourselves fleeing nonetheless.

They absolutely had a say in the first war, given it was at first a Civil War in the Mandates of Transjordan and Palestine that later got expanded into a larger conflict because of Arab League intervention. As they did in the next ones, given they keep electing governments calling for genocide into office.

Ah, so you mean to tell me that about, what, 700,000 expelled palestinians in 1948 all sent a letter to the arab league along the lines of "if you wouldn't mind tossing out the jews that'd be swell -xoxo"? That'd be quite the scandal!
...But as it stands, not even the rwandans would make such a claim of the sum-total of hutu's who fled after the whole, er, thing there.

[Neutraligon]

Oh, but apparently not the place Jews came from originally?

Sure, but in the period right after WWII I would say more Jews still had stronger cultural ties to Europe.

Sorta, you seem to forget that the Jews of Europe had just been through a genocide, with Europeans being actively involved in the genocide. Of those who where not actively involved, many ignored what was being done to the Jews. more then that, not country in Europe was willing to accept the Jewish refugees. You have to remember that the places where most of the Jewish population came from was Germany, Austria, and Poland, places that stole Jewish homes and possessions when they where sent to the ghettos and camps, and who where not willing to return those possessions or wealth to the survivors. The US was not willing to accept more Jewish immigrants.

[Shin-Mutsu]

Did Albionist Great Britain really just say this? Maybe there will be no Palestine if Israel keeps attacking it and raiding its people. #I SIDE WITH PLAESTINE!

So you side with driving Jews into the sea and removing Jewdom from their own homeland by the neighbouring Arabs? Good to know where you stand.

It's not a false binary.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

Maybe you need glasses.

Did Albionist Great Britain really just say this? Maybe there will be no Palestine if Israel keeps attacking it and raiding its people. #I SIDE WITH PLAESTINE!

AGB is absolutely right. So is Golda Meir when she famously said there is no such thing as a "Palestinian people".

I think there are better ways to stop Israel’s occupation of Palestine than a boycott, especially boycotting all products from a country

That’s like boycotting the entire American economy because of the Racial Justice problems, or all of China because of what’s happening in Hong Kong and East Turkestan.

Not to mention that Israel isn’t solely responsible. Hamas, Hezbollah, and the former PLO are all terrorist organizations, and Iran keeps funneling money into them.

But anyways, while BDS isn’t exactly anti-Semitic (and I say this as a Jew), it has many members who are or who are borderline anti-Semitic, there are better ways to deal with an occupation than by boycotting an entire country.

I'm in for a new BDS movement that is anti-PRC.

And I fully support BDS against the Palestinian Authority and Hamas, and UNRWA and UNESCO. Liberate Hong Kong! Liberate Judea & Samaria!

[Witiland]

Did Albionist Great Britain really just say this? Maybe there will be no Palestine if Israel keeps attacking it and raiding its people. #I SIDE WITH PLAESTINE!

So you side with driving Jews into the sea and removing Jewdom from their own homeland by the neighbouring Arabs? Good to know where you stand.

Isn't that what Britain and the Jews did? Look we can go into circles but the truth is Palestine deserves the land. It's America's and Europe's fault for this problem. Its the same conservatives now who say" pro Israel" yet those same people showed resentment and hatred towards those who supported Jews. There's this book The Nazis next door (link here https://www.amazon.com/Nazis-Next-Door- ... 0544577884) talks more about this, and any person who tried to uncover was labeled as a communist. Its a pretty good read, and is a basis for some of my views...

[Odreria]

I think there are better ways to stop Israel’s occupation of Palestine than a boycott, especially boycotting all products from a country

That’s like boycotting the entire American economy because of the Racial Justice problems, or all of China because of what’s happening in Hong Kong and East Turkestan.

Not to mention that Israel isn’t solely responsible. Hamas, Hezbollah, and the former PLO are all terrorist organizations, and Iran keeps funneling money into them.

But anyways, while BDS isn’t exactly anti-Semitic (and I say this as a Jew), it has many members who are or who are borderline anti-Semitic, there are better ways to deal with an occupation than by boycotting an entire country.

I'm in for a new BDS movement that is anti-PRC.

ok, you're welcome to go live in the wilderness with no manufactured goods.

[Albionist Great Britain]

So you side with driving Jews into the sea and removing Jewdom from their own homeland by the neighbouring Arabs? Good to know where you stand.

Isn't that what Britain and the Jews did? Look we can go into circles but the truth is Palestine deserves the land. It's America's and Europe's fault for this problem. Its the same conservatives now who say" pro Israel" yet those same people showed resentment and hatred towards those who supported Jews. There's this book The Nazis next door (link here https://www.amazon.com/Nazis-Next-Door- ... 0544577884) talks more about this, and any person who tried to uncover was labeled as a communist.

If you’re so insistent in this hilariously naïve belief there exists a """Palestinian nation""", then I have your answer: it’s called Jordan. Any Arab that wishes to live in that land is welcome to - as an Israeli. Any Arab that’s angry a few Jews moved back into their own homeland, he can go cry to Allah at this ‘injustice’ ( ) in a Jordanian or ISIL mosque.

[Kubra]

Isn't that what Britain and the Jews did? Look we can go into circles but the truth is Palestine deserves the land. It's America's and Europe's fault for this problem. Its the same conservatives now who say" pro Israel" yet those same people showed resentment and hatred towards those who supported Jews. There's this book The Nazis next door (link here https://www.amazon.com/Nazis-Next-Door- ... 0544577884) talks more about this, and any person who tried to uncover was labeled as a communist.

If you’re so insistent in this hilariously naïve belief there exists a """Palestinian nation""", then I have your answer: it’s called Jordan. Any Arab that wishes to live in that land is welcome to - as an Israeli. Any Arab that’s angry a few Jews moved back into their own homeland, he can go cry to Allah at this ‘injustice’ ( ) in a Jordanian or ISIL mosque.

So to whom does the west bank and the gaza strip belong

[Witiland]

Isn't that what Britain and the Jews did? Look we can go into circles but the truth is Palestine deserves the land. It's America's and Europe's fault for this problem. Its the same conservatives now who say" pro Israel" yet those same people showed resentment and hatred towards those who supported Jews. There's this book The Nazis next door (link here https://www.amazon.com/Nazis-Next-Door- ... 0544577884) talks more about this, and any person who tried to uncover was labeled as a communist.

If you’re so insistent in this hilariously naïve belief there exists a """Palestinian nation""", then I have your answer: it’s called Jordan. Any Arab that wishes to live in that land is welcome to - as an Israeli. Any Arab that’s angry a few Jews moved back into their own homeland, he can go cry to Allah at this ‘injustice’ ( ) in a Jordanian or ISIL mosque.

so the Jews can have a homeland but not Israel? I can just say oh the Jews already have a homeland Europe or America... and i would make 0 sense. I'm not a Muslim and I used to be pro Israel until I realized what was really going on

*Mic Drop*

[Shin-Mutsu]

If you’re so insistent in this hilariously naïve belief there exists a """Palestinian nation""", then I have your answer: it’s called Jordan. Any Arab that wishes to live in that land is welcome to - as an Israeli. Any Arab that’s angry a few Jews moved back into their own homeland, he can go cry to Allah at this ‘injustice’ ( ) in a Jordanian or ISIL mosque.

So to whom does the west bank and the gaza strip belong

The United Nations, obviously.

[Salus Maior]

AGB is absolutely right. So is Golda Meir when she famously said there is no such thing as a "Palestinian people".

So everyone must be imagining the non-Israeli people that the Israelis are encroaching on.

What a brain-dead statement.

[Nilokeras]

So like Amnesty International, which has a long list of hot spot countries of which Israel is only one?

Not sure AI is a useful example here, given that they don't support a general boycott of Israel, but rather a targeted settlement boycott, as far as I know.

I picked the most prominent international human rights organization that I can think of. And the most lobbed criticism against them is that they're too selective in the countries they criticize, not that it's too many.

[Kavagrad]

Boycotting apartheid states is good, actually.

[Kubra]

So to whom does the west bank and the gaza strip belong

The United Nations, obviously.

The UN runs transitional administrations, I dunno how they'd go about just str8 up owning a place forever.